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Trump did everything the GOP thought Obama was going to do to stay in power.

I agree on not censoring. I also am not sure that some of the prolific posting is trolling but rather an indication of lack of critical thinking ability and being extremely gullible. I will admit I find some of the conspiracy posts annoying as they are devoid of any logic and end up being an endless loop of the same tired arguments and tit for tat insults.

Trump is currently arguing that his case in Georgia should be thrown out, because if they can include him in a RICO case along with lawyers of his, then you had to include "millions of people throughout the country” who believed election fraud had taken place, and were working toward the same goal as Trump and his lieutenants. His team also said that there are lots of bank robbers out there, “but the mere fact that they all rob banks and have the same goal and many of the same methods of operation, does not mean that all American bank robbers constitute one RICO enterprise, despite the fact that they are people who commit the same crime, for the same reason." Where have I heard that before? =================================== Otter : Ladies and gentlemen, I'll be brief. The issue here is not whether we broke a few rules, or took a few liberties with our female party guests - we did. [winks] But you can't hold a whole fraternity responsible for the behavior of a few, sick twisted individuals. For if you do, then shouldn't we blame the whole fraternity system? And if the whole fraternity system is guilty, then isn't this an indictment of our educational institutions in general? I put it to you, Greg - isn't this an indictment of our entire American society? Well, you can do whatever you want to us, but we're not going to sit here and listen to you badmouth the United States of America!

Which kind of emphasizes that cross dressing and homosexuality are not the same thing, doesn’t it? Wendy P.

I've been told that it takes all kinds. I too can only marvel in stunned disbelief at the level of stupidity required to hold some of the opinions I see expressed here at times. Yet there they are, often winning elections. So many WTF moments.

Actually, it's because of the death grip Trump has on the Republican party. He's really the only viable candidate right now (and for the forseeable future). Most of the other 'candidates' are vying for the VP slot. Given how close Pence came to a 'necktie party' on Jan 6, I can't understand why they'd want it, but then again, they're pretty stupid. Biden has done an amazing job so far, but he's really never been super popular. I'm not a big fan of him, despite his successes. I'm far more of a fan than I was in 2020, but that's still not all that much. That's why "generic Democrat" did better in one of the polls than Biden. HOWEVER... There's no way I won't vote for Biden if he's the candidate. Even if Trump isn't. As I've said more than once, I'd vote for Howdy Doody, with Clarabelle the Clown as his running mate over ANY R candidate. I don't think I'm alone in that.

At CooperCon, I met a woman there who was working as an like a historic interpreter at the Museum of Flight. She had been a NWA flight attendant for forty years. She worked for NWO specifically during the 60's and 70's. She knew everyone involved and worked a good bit with both Alice and Tina. I asked her some Coopery questions and these were the answers. - How often did you load or unloaded passengers from the rear stairs of a 727? She said even when they came to an airport without a jetway they'd often just use the airstairs on a truck. - Would a pilot have known how to lower the rear stairs? She thought about it for a minute and said something like "well, all they'd need to do is read the panel instructions, but I don't think any of them would have ever done that before. That was something we always did if we ever lowered them at all." - If a passenger ordered a bourbon and a soda, did you mix the drink for them or did you give them a soda and an airplane bottle of bourbon? She said the stews would mix the drinks for the passengers. - At the time of Cooper, a mixed drink was $1 and a soda was .25 on the menu. Was a bourbon and soda $1 or $1.25. She said it was $1. - Did you take any tickets or anything when passengers boarded? She said during boarding they would look at the ticket as each passenger boarded. - If you were working in the rear cabin of a 727, where would you have placed your purse? She said there were these little compartments behind the rear row of seats that they could open up and store some gear in. I asked her this to figure out how where Flo's purse would have been when she retrieved it...just to see how awkward that interaction would have been. and finally the most interesting one to me... - Did you know Kenny Christiansen? She said she knew Kenny very well and everyone enjoyed working with him. She said that immediately after the hijacking they began to joke about Kenny due to the sketch. She said it was a bit of a running joke with NWO cabin and flight crew for a while that he was Cooper and so she was shocked when all the stuff about him first came out in 2008 or whenever it was. Said she was basically thinking: "They cannot be serious. This was just our NWO inside joke!" - I asked her if an employee like Kenny could have hijacked an NWO plane and gone unnoticed. She said it would beggar belief for that to have occurred without the employee being recognized. She said NWO was a small group back then and all the employees knew each other. She felt that at least one of the three stewardesses would have worked with him at some point by Nov 71. My takeaway from the conversation I had with her about Kenny is that I think her comments might explain the existence of that "Coopery photo" of Kenny. I bet it was just a gag photo he took to use for joking around with his friends at the airline.

Very. He politely, succinctly, intelligently, articulately dismantled the 'question' the reporter was trying to 'gotcha' him with. Not the first time he's done that. Yet on Tuesday, you wrote: His voice isn't the best. Other than that, I wouldn't call him 'feeble' or 'tottering'. The way he handled Empty Gee heckling him at the State of the Union was similar to this. Both Marcon of France and Putler have said more than once that negotiating with Biden requires one to be on their "A Game'. When an ally and an adversary say the same thing, I tend to believe it. There are things about him I don't really like. He's said stuff in the past which was really dumb. But he's been one of the most effective Presidents we've had in office in a LOOONG time. The amount of legislation he's gotten passed is incredible. The effect those have had is more so. The recovery from the Covid recession is very impressive. Jobs are back, inflation here in the US is way down, especially compared to the rest of the world.

Hi Mark, Joe is brighter & sharper than 90% of today's GOP. Jerry Baumchen PS) What do you think Trump would said? Oops, I meant yelled.

If you don't vote for Biden and Trump wins then you own a part of his victory.

Isn't that what the voucher program really has always been about, allowing rich parents a tax funded discount on private schools.

And there is no doubt he will do that. To me the US ballot in 2024 isn't Trump vs Biden but Trump vs Democracy. Unfortunately I am not convinced Democracy will win the election.

It "indicates" people change their "comments" over time when talking to different people in different settings. Exactly what you would expect. Original impressions immediately after an event are usually the best ie most reliable? People alter their stories over time. You always want perfection. That is seldom how people are over time. Likewise, people being interviewed are sometimes lead to stray or change their stories = the power of the interviewer. Like some guy implying he could feel how the money was wrapped by how it it allegedly felt in his groin? That is pure Blevens crap.

Who? Biden has a LOT going for him. The Ds just need to start shouting it from the rooftops. And equally, start calling out all the Rs who are claiming credit for the projects being financed by the Infrastructure Act... That they voted against.

In the future let's hope they cover China.

The 2 current sides are in no way similar IMO. Biden has continually proven he can and IS doing a damn good job at POTUS. Yeah, he's old. He still exercises, runs, is damn sharp mentally, and actually has a soul and shows feelings. Trump is a traitor who wants to end our democracy. Oh, and he's a rapist. And facing HOW MANY FELONY CHARGES???

FINE. I'm not tithing though. Maybe a beer when I see them again. Except Skymama, she prefers wine.

Any pilot worth their salt would know how to operate anything on any aircraft they're rated to fly. The doors would be a given.

If Kenny actually wore a trench coat and carried a brief case, then I don't think there's anything about that photo that is "Coopery". Your post ALMOST makes me wish Blevins was still allowed here. I'd love to hear how he spun that conversation, and we all know he would have.

So, you claim to dislike the maga agenda of American primacy, yet somehow think that it is wrong for the neighbours to comment? Frankly full of freaking unfriendly foolishness.

Was thinking today about all the time we "doubled down on woke" here in the US, and how conservatives of the time would have seen it. The first big one that comes to mind is the Civil War. The northern states had freed their slaves (mostly) but the south did not want new states to be admitted as no-slavery states - so the wokester liberals of the North decided to shove their sick, twisted ideology down everyone's throats by murdering hundreds of thousands of Americans. Conservatives lamented this travesty of wokeness - the "framers did not anticipate the enfranchisement of an ignorant population of African origin" and "did not contemplate for their descendants subjection to an inferior race." Then came suffrage. Wokesters of the time wanted hysterical women to be able to vote. Conservatives of the time would explain patiently from the depths of their leather chairs that women were unsuited to the mental task of deciding who to vote for. Men, who by definition could not be hysterical, were better suited. Besides, since the man ruled the household, what would giving women the vote do other than double the votes of married couples? But the libtards again shoved their wokeness down everyone's throat and forced the helpless women to take time away from their important chores to waste time voting. They really hated women. Then came interracial marriage. Conservatives knew that letting black men marry white women was the same as rape, and they valiantly fought to keep women safe from black men. One conservative noted that "if it needs lynching to protect woman's dearest possession from the ravening human beasts – then I say lynch, a thousand times a week if necessary." But again woke liberal losers decided that they hated freedom and wanted to shove black rape down everyone's throats. In 1967, loser lib Robert Kennedy took up the case, which made it all the way to the Supreme Court - and resulted in a ruling that banning interracial marriage was unconstitutional. Civil rights was similar. Conservatives had given blacks their freedom; what else did they want? Having separate schools, separate buses, separate bathrooms etc was necessary for the sake of children. No one wanted to have their innocent child in a classroom - or, worse, a bathroom - when a BLACK came into it! What would happen to the child? Who would protect them from the human beasts? When Martin Luther King started his crusade to abolish segregation he was well received by the idiot liberals, but conservatives knew it would end in disaster. Fortunately for them, MLK was assasinated by a brave hero before he could accomplish all his woke goals. Then there was the issue of gay rights. Smart states banned gay marriage and made it illegal to be gay at all. But the woke states allowed it, and as a result became godless and evil. Then another activist court made gay marriage legal for everyone and ended morality in America. And today we have trans rights, which the good conservatives of the time are opposing for all the same reasons. What about the CHILDREN? Drag queens in your son's SCHOOLS! Books about trans issues are PORNOGRAPHY and must be BANNED! Leftist liberals cutting off children's GENITALS! WOKE MADNESS! [/s] Our society has seen a long, unsteady march towards greater civil rights. From slavery abolition to women's suffrage to civil rights to LGBT rights, each step has seen conservatives fight back as hard as they can against new rights for groups of people. We are seeing the same fight today over trans rights. Sadly, one of the primary reasons we progress as a society is that the older generation dies off, and with them, a lot of the old hatreds and biases die as well. So in one sense progress comes not from enlightenment, but from a failure to propagate the hatreds to the next generation. Education has always been seen as liberal for this reason, and is a big factor in why today women think nothing about being able to vote, or being able to tell their husbands they don't want to have sex, or being able to marry a black man (or even another woman.)

Seen on another forum: Q: What do you call a Republican three-way? A: Extended family values.

The gag order has been reinstated on Trump, but Trump managed to slip in an attack on the judges wife before it was reinstated. One of Trump's key messages that is based on fact/truth is that the political elite are treated differently to Joe Average. Trump's trial and treatment in the courts is possibly the most public and blatant evidence of the truth that the rich and powerful get special treatment, and no he is not a victim of the system. Globally politicians get far too much and have lost sight of the fact they are servants of the people, not masters.

Clearly it is because Obamacare predicted the forced castration of men. And we all know men with balls vote Republican and men without balls vote Democrat. Hence why Obamacare was secretly all about castrating men.

I've heard that too often. Not only does it not take all kinds but there are several kinds we can well do without.

And let us not forget the inimitable Corporal Klinger in the TV show M*A*S*H... Wendy P.

One of its singular strengths to me. But it is uncomfortable sometimes. Wendy P.

Because we can't stand on guard against it if we don't understand just how much of it is in our societies. This isn't FB, your feed is not curated to cater to what you already believe.

The truth that everyone except you already knew? Anyway, your post was quite clear - you support Russia's invasion of Ukraine, you're happy that (you think) they've achieved the goals of their bloody and brutal war, and you think what has happened there is hilarious. I can;t think of much that's more evil than that.

In their defense, he does look fabulous.

He's a South African skydiver who started this forum 20 some odd years ago. There was a now-famous meetup at Eloy where all the moderators (at the time) got together with him to do an 8-way.

He proves daily that not only IS he still vigorous enough for such a demanding position, he then goes beyond that. He rides bikes, he runs, he exercises, he drives hotrods and hauls ass doing it. He's standing up to every evil autocrat on the planet, insulting and challenging them. He's strong enough to corral the majority of the planet to tighten NATO memberships and cooperation. He does what's RIGHT. He's stand proud doing it. WTAF would it take to show his is more than capable to those that hate him for no other reason than his age???? The tottering old man concern should be for the other idiots in the republican party. Have you seen THEIR conditions??? The continual grooming to hate members of opposing parties is disgusting. America used to be better than the idiocy we have in half of the government these days. The Republicans are a dying party. They're killing themselves. Yet some people worry about a POTUS that's doing a very impressive job given the current situation the entire planet is in....while trying to support a criminal who wears diapers?????? I swear I've gone through a time machine or some sort of portal. WTF happened to Americans????

Probably a good time for review of the rules here. The basics are: - No personal attacks. - No jokes about or references to pedophilia. - No advertising in the forums. - Post on topic. - No hijacking of threads. - No threads about specific posters. - No posting external media/text without commentary/attribution. Those are the big ones. Let's focus on the first one. No Personal attacks, including hate posts, flaming or trolling. Personal attacks are any variation on "you're an idiot." Hate posts are posts that are racist, sexist, homophobic, bigoted, or pornographic, and intended to attack a group of people. Note that I will apply this to people who promulgate memes that are intended to harm this community or society in general (i.e. "vaccines will kill you" "alcohol doesn't affect you when you are skydiving" etc.) Flaming is posting with no other goal other than to attack someone else on the forum i.e. not to dispute a point they made, solely to attack. Trolling is posting inflammatory messages with the sole purpose of provoking others into a negative emotional response. It can be for the troll's amusement, or to fulfill a political/cultural goal, or because they are paid to do so. The reason doesn't really matter; it's the approach and the goal that makes them a troll. However, someone who posts material that infuriates you is not necessarily a troll. Someone here might post that they hate all new energy sources and they believe that all energy should come from coal. Someone else might post that they hate coal and think all new energy should come from solar. Here, the first person will tend to piss everyone off; the second one will piss people off less. Which one is a troll? You can't decide based purely on who they piss off. It depends on their goals, and we don't know them. What we can do is observe what they post. If it's self consistent and expresses a consistent opinion, that means they are less likely to be a troll. If what they post changes based on who they are answering, in order to best enrage them, then they are more likely to be a troll. If their posts are nonsensical they are more likely to be trolling. If their posts answer specific points in someone else's posts, they are less likely to be trolling. We make these distinctions because we do not want to ban someone based on how mad they make other people. That leads to a forum full of intolerant people who have self-selected to only believe a specific range of things by banning anyone with beliefs outside that range. It's better, IMO, to keep the contentious posters here and have the intolerant leave if they cannot bear to read their content. Since we now have tools that allow people to block such contentious posters, there is no need to read anyone you don't want to. I will add that the more trollish posters tend to regularly violate other rules (personal attack, hate posts etc) and so get banned fairly regularly anyway. We can permanently ban someone who keeps doing this, but we have done that only rarely to avoid the problems we mentioned above. As a final note, this website is owned by Willem, and it's effectively his house. He opens his house to everyone, but reserves the right to give them the boot if they're rude, or not gracious, or heck if they say "aboot" instead of "about." It's his money and his website. Keep that in mind while posting.

Sure, Biden doesn't give swell, inspirational speeches like Obama did. But what problem do you have with his administrations actions?

and when Tina described Cooper's face for the Bing sketch then later claimed she never saw his face straight on... What does that indicate??

Nah I think King's on a time-out, haven't seen him in a minute

Look at my tag line. It’s the truth. Just because something that should bite you hasn’t doesn’t mean you’re that good, or that it won’t bite you. You’ve been lucky is all Wendy P

Judge Arthur Engoron has set closing arguments in Trump's civil fraud trial for January 11th, 2024 at 10 AM EST. This is the one he's already been found liable for? The judge just needs to decide the value of his penalties? It's a challenge to keep up with a felony criminal defendant in multiple cases with 91 felony charges. Jebus Howard Christ. What a criminal enterprise.

Hi folks, Looks like the noose is getting tighter: the three-judge panel found that Mr Trump was not acting in an official role when he made the remarks. Court rules Donald Trump can be sued for allegedly inciting Capitol riot (bbc.com) How sweet it is. Jerry Baumchen

I never believed it would happen.

Hi Jerry, I hope you’re doing great. I always ask the people that want to take our country back, what exactly do they mean. Their reply is usually to get rid of all of the democrats. And to go back to the good old days. clueless.

I still can’t believe we let women apply for credit cards by themselves without a husband to pay for it all. We need our country back!!!!

To Bob Iger no less. It's a good thing Disney is woke and probably has characters who can do as Elon is asking.

I stayed up all night trying to compose a MISREPRESENTATION - asshole!

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The head shape is consistent with essentially every witness description, with Alice's head shape selection, and also consistent with photos of Allen Cooper and Donald Murphy, two men we know that the stews picked out of photo lineups as looking like Cooper. Hell, all Nancy House could remember was that he had dark hair and a narrow face. Cooper 100% had a narrow face with a sharp chin.

The fairer sex has become UNFAIR and no longer knows to stay in their place.

Anyone else open this thread expecting a critique of the Andrew Lloyd Webber musical?

In a system like that weather cycles would be pretty complicated. Edit......Oops, I see now have injected controversy into the Bonfire. Sorry about that. The universe is so fascinating and the more we learn the more it is so.