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  1. You can? That's damn generous of you. I'd say the topic is officially dead ended. What about the politifact link I posted? Can you say that you agree with it, or are you afraid of being called a weasel?
  2. I can concede that it's not necessarily intellectually dishonest to hold the view that "ending" means "ended" on this particular issue. Can you guys agree with the politifact article I posted earlier or do you think they're weasling too? https://www.politifact.com/article/2020/oct/28/did-white-house-say-pandemic-over/ As a point of grammar, "ending the COVID-19 pandemic" can be read two ways. It could mean that the pandemic is over, which it isn’t. But the phrase could also mean that the country is in the process of ending the pandemic. That’s different. The money spent on research and testing has provided more tools that hold some promise of beating back the virus. In that light, there have been gains. It’s reasonable to say that some White House staffer went beyond what the authors of the report wrote, and pushed the envelope in wordsmithing the press release. It’s not a slam-dunk to say that the White House was asserting "Mission Accomplished."
  3. Nobody was saying the OSTP report claimed that ending the pandemic among the accomplishments of the administration. Everybody was talking about the press release that did. Why are you setting up strawmen? Bill made a claim against the OSTP. As far as I know, the OSTP was only responsible for writing the actual report. The actual report doesn't say "ending the pandemic," that part was in the press release. So again, I thought Bill's attack against the OSTP was unwarranted. But he clarified that he thinks the OSTP also wrote the press release - I'm just not sure if they actually did or not. If they did, then fine - they're to blame for the poorly worded text. I think PolitiFact sums it all up nicely: As a point of grammar, "ending the COVID-19 pandemic" can be read two ways. It could mean that the pandemic is over, which it isn’t. But the phrase could also mean that the country is in the process of ending the pandemic. That’s different. The money spent on research and testing has provided more tools that hold some promise of beating back the virus. In that light, there have been gains. It’s reasonable to say that some White House staffer went beyond what the authors of the report wrote, and pushed the envelope in wordsmithing the press release. It’s not a slam-dunk to say that the White House was asserting "Mission Accomplished."
  4. You called it. Yep, you guys are trying to say that: - Ending means ended - Defeat means defeated - Highlights means accomplishments. And then you cling to that narrative despite the clarification. In my argument: - Ending still means ending - Defeat still means defeat - Highlights means highlights - as in highlighting points from the OSTP report that the press release is actually talking about.
  5. So you're not intellectually honest enough to answer the question I asked, about what the press release actually says. That's a shame. You're asking me to deliberately ignore the context along with the rest of the press release to solidify your point, a point that has already been clarified - it doesn't really get anymore dishonest than that. Right, but the news outlets do, or at least they should. They even asked for clarification and the WH said ya, it was poorly worded, but if you look at the rest of the text it's easy see that's not what the press release is actually referring to. It's referring to highlights of the OSTP report, one of which was how they are ending the pandemic. But despite the clarification, they still pushed the narrative that they claimed it was over, or has ended, or was defeated. They must really hate what's in that report.
  6. Buuuuuullshit. ”Trump administration releases Science and Technology accomplishments over first term... Highlights include ending the Covid-19 pandemic.” Now then C-dawg, you be intellectually honest and tell me if that’s saying the Trump admin ended the pandemic or not. I actually read past the word "pandemic" and skimmed the actual report that talks about how they're ending it, so it would be intellectually dishonest for me to claim they're saying it already ended when the context doesn't support that. If they used the words "ended" and "defeated" then there wouldn't be any room for interpretation, but they didn't. If one didn't read past the word "pandemic," then they're just uninformed and have to rely on headlines and/or their own bias to interpret the poorly worded text. . . .and that bias should be pretty easy to demonstrate. I mean would any of you have honestly read the other "highlights" listed in the press release as if they were past tense and that everything they said had already been accomplished?
  7. Just to be clear, I'm saying that the actual OSTP report does not say "ending the pandemic." It seemed like Bill was throwing them and their scientists under the bus for something they didn't say. But if the OSTP actually wrote that press release as well, then ya, obviously they'd be the ones to blame for the poorly worded text. I'm just not sure if that's how it actually works. For example, if the ambiguity was deliberate, then I could totally see that coming from somewhere else in the administration. See that's the point, nobody said "defeated." It was poorly written but not THAT poorly.
  8. https://www.politico.com/f/?id=00000175-6bc5-d2df-adff-6fdfff5c0000 Front page, bold type, all caps. You said that "Trump even got the White House Science Office [sic] (bit of an oxymoron there) to say that Trump was responsible for "ending the COVID-19 pandemic." What you posted is the press release, not the actual report from the OSTP - and neither say that it has ended like you suggested it did. The only way to come to that conclusion is if you're being intellectually dishonest or you just didn't read beyond your own confirmation bias and are being dragged by the nose by misleading headlines that impose on the text.
  9. The original was likely removed or changed, as WH communications director has admitted it was "poorly worded": https://www.forbes.com/sites/jackbrewster/2020/10/28/white-house-claim-that-trump-ended-the-pandemic-was-poorly-worded-spokesperson-says/ - they're not denying it You're confused. The original OSTP report was not modified. What she was referring to as "poorly worded" was the press release, which is what you actually posted in your previous reply. It reads: "ENDING THE COVID-19 PANDEMIC: From the outset of the COVID-19 pandemic, the Administration has taken decisive actions to engage scientists and health professionals in academia, industry, and government to understand, treat, and defeat the disease." I agree it could've been worded better, but you still have to be pretty intellectually dishonest to say that that they're claiming it has ended when they didn't, especially when the original OSTP report that it's referencing specifically talks about how it's a "generational problem" and can "only be addressed through a whole-of-society approach."
  10. White House science office takes credit for 'ending' pandemic as infections mount The White House’s science policy office on Tuesday ranked “ending the Covid-19 pandemic” atop the list of President Donald Trump’s top first-term accomplishments, even as the country registers record amounts of infections and hospitals fill up again. The list, included in a press release from the Office of Science and Technology Policy credits the administration for taking “decisive actions to engage scientists and health professionals in academia, industry, and government to understand, treat, and defeat the disease.” Where specifically does it say "ending the covid-19 pandemic" and suggest that it has ended? You say that it was in there, but now it has been removed. Where is the original? Even the first link in your google search in post #10 specifically says that "The 62-page document attached to the email did not say the administration “ended” the pandemic." What specifically do take exception with?
  11. I don't know what searches you tried because it was widely reported. Subsequently the WH reported that it was a mistake to have stated that. They may have amended that report to remove that statement. But obviously somebody included and/or approved it in the original report. What document said "ending the covid-19 pandemic," and where did it suggest that it has ended?
  12. That's different. That's white people fighting for their beliefs, over significant and important differences in their religions. In the past you've seemed to agree that "The Troubles" wasn't a religious conflict. What are the "significant and important differences in their religion" that you now believe they were fighting about?
  13. John brought this up in another thread. I looked at the OSTP report and didn't see where it said "ending the COVID-19 pandemic," nor anything suggesting that it has ended. However, it did talk about the "tools to tackle today’s challenges, such as the COVID-19 pandemic" and that it represents "a generational challenge that can only be addressed through a whole-of-society approach" https://www.whitehouse.gov/wp-content/uploads/2020/10/Trump-Administration-ST-Highlights-2017-2020.pdf
  14. My speed reading saw that as "chapels in Walmart." Convenient given a lot Christians do their shopping on Sunday after church. Maybe we could just tithe and take whatever we need, like a subscription service. . .
  15. He made it pretty clear it was a quick and dirty. Wendy P. He doesn't care, this is just what he does. I'm used to it.