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I also like the ability to "like" posts. It is an easy way IMHO to give certain posts more weight, helpful in a debate

You need a real rigger. A rigger that puts a 20 year life span on a reserve is a rigger to run away from.

Welcome to the new website format for this forum. Operation should be substantially the same, with minor changes (like more formatting options.) Please let me or Meso know if there's anything that looks like it's not working, or that you are having trouble with, and we will take a look. Also please bear with us over the next few weeks as all the bugs in the new system (and there are always bugs) get ironed out. Thanks for your patience.

You guys are doing fine! It takes time to do things like this.

I'm, with you, Tim. There is not one thing better about it. 100+% garbage. Jerry Baumchen PS) Anyone know where the Messages are? PPS) And, where did the PREVIEW POST go? PPPS) And, why the double-line spacing?

Utter Rubbish. I guess its a good excuse to abandon DZ.com for good. If it ain't broke...….. I'm sure quite a few regular posters will disappear from here.

Ouch, so much white space. Did they buy shares in scroll wheel manufacturers? The old school site was good because it was information dense and one could see a lot of topics and posts at once. At least it is better on a phone -- lines wrap instead of being very wide and requiring the smallest possible type to avoid scrolling left and right. Making the site phone-friendly would have been one of their goals. But on a desktop with a decent sized screen, it really wastes space. (Setting text size to 70 or 80% helps a little in getting text back to original size, but doesn't do much for the white space.) This kind of crappy design is unfortunately more and more common these days, I guess for fat fingers on small tablets. Have we lost all records of what threads and posts we've seen? One can't start where one left off; one is dumped back to post #1 on page #1 even if it is a thread one has been following while logged in. The addition of drag and drop files is a big plus of course. A couple Facebook rigging forums must have been benefiting from having easy uploads from phones. Other opinions and discoveries about the site are welcome...

Hi Ken, Last year Derek Thomas ( formerly of Sunpath ) told me about the work that Kyle Collins did for them. He said it was a fair amount of very small changes to the rig; i.e., things like a change in the radius of a portion of the yoke pattern, etc, etc. It was about '03, at the Symposium, that I was talking with Derek ( he & his then wife Pat, bought Sunpath about '94 ) and he said that, from the original, it had over 135 changes to it. Now, some of those would be to the TSO'd portion of the H & C and some would be to the non-TSO'd portions. Just some trivia for those who like this stuff, Jerry Baumchen PS) The Javelin was originally TSO'd under C23c where you select what Category ( weight - speed, make a selection ) you want to certify it under. Later, they did the three Strength Tests per C23d, where you select what weight - speed you want to certify it under; then the FAA granted them certification under C23d, or so I was told. ETA: My error, I was talking with Derek at the '07 Symposium.

I realize Americans don't see Canada as any more than a State they need paperwork to visit, but we actually are a separate country that is not AAD mandatory.

I have read your posts, I just think you are overreacting here just like half the people on this forum do anytime anyone even whispers something about the USPA. The USPA makes a small change and all of a sudden BIG Parachute is out to get everyone and destroy skydiving. Having to send in a form in an effort to learn trends in AAD fires is not a big deal. Collecting statistical data to determine safety trends is literally one of the USPA's core functions, as is the core function of anyone who works in any industry involving safety. It's a basic principle of determining risk.

Breeding age? What century are you from? Yes, they are out of your league; no woman who is considerate, positive, self aware and authentic is going to want to hang out with someone who uses terms like "women of breeding age." Possessing those traits do not make a male a better MAN, nor does not possessing these traits make a male LESS of a man. Pretty sure most women are not looking for someone who thinks the way you seem to. Also pretty sure that most evolved males would love to have a partner who can take care of herself and others in her life. Yes... you walked right into the women's forum and started insulting women. Probably not one of your better ideas. Indeed. But hey, thanks anyway, I did need a good belly laugh this morning.

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The site is basically unnavigateable (Is that a word?) on a mobile browser. The forum is clunky as fuck now. Speaking as a guy who has run several websites like this with forums, I get "user resistance to change." This isn't that.

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I’m not feeling the love. I think he had to do something to cater to the audience with small screens. But this is looking like it could be the end for me. I’ll wait and see for a while. I haven’t found a search function yet. Without that a ton of rigging knowledge will be inaccessible. There is too much content here for this format to be effective.

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YOU are the bitchy little person barronn. Bill has been on Dropzone.com since the beginning. He had been a moderator so he might have quite a few posts. I have read all your posts regarding this BSR. WHAT is the big deal? Did you pitch a fit when seatbelts became mandatory in cars and aircraft? Why did it take them so long to require it?. Why didn't they do it in the beginning? Could it because because they didn't know how bad it was in the beginning before they collected data? Don't try to say you not against it because you obviously are because you won't let it go. Lobby the board to have it removed if you feel so strongly against it and according to you have you all this "support" backing you up. Give them a better way. Don't just respond with "well you should know". Enlighten us. Tell us what we should know.

Have you talked to everyone on the BOD? Or are you just making shit up? But you have time to post thousands of words of gripes. I work hard too. I've had problems with USPA twice. Both times I made the effort to get the change I wanted. Once it actually required travel to a BoD meeting (o the horror.) Both times I got something at least close to what I asked for. If you had done that and failed I'd have more sympathy for your plight. I think the cheap, lazy way to handle it is to sit on your butt and complain about what other people did - specifically, what you couldn't be bothered to do. Why thank you! The facts here are that other people are doing what you couldn't be bothered to do.

See, there you go again. That's not just provocative, it's deeply offensive and misogynistic. It's not something you say to generate a discussion, it's something you say because you're either a small minded bigot, you want to outrage the people you're talking to, or a combination of both. I'm really curious why some guy would think it's a good idea to barge into the women's forum (where this thread started before he barged in) on a skydiving website (where very few women who will put up with attitudes like his hang out), to insult women. I wonder who turned him down for a date. Smart girl. </ad hominen attack>

This was covered in the videos posted upstream if you would watch them. Ron Bell talked about why he wanted this change in the video.

"BIG Parachute", I like that. I'll probably use it without attribution so I'm acknowledging it now. Every time someone starts sounding like they believe in a conspiracy at the "EVIL USPA HQ".

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This whole USPA witch hunt is getting really old. You realize the USA is possibly the last remaining major skydiving country in the world that allows AADs to be optional? Nearly every other major country that has a footprint in skydiving requires all jumpers to have AADs. They are not optional. It's good to see the USPA trying to keep us at a proper standard. Having to fill out a form after nearly dying is not a big deal.

Cohen lied FOR Trump. When they ask “why didn’t the Dems bring an honest witness to testify?” the answer is Trump didn’t surround himself with honest people.

I have had a SLAP tear and chose to have it repaired. Cortisone shots helped some but the PT just hurt. The Doc who did mine did it via arthroscopy. Only had three very small incisions. The healing process was painful, but they did basically explode my entire shoulder to get to the glenoid labrum and fix the tear. If I needed it, I definitely would do it again.

Kind of jumping the gun. there. The approved progression is: 1) There's no election fraud! Fake news! 2) OK maybe there's election fraud but it's not a big deal. Only then can you jump to 3) Clinton did it first.

I'll allow this as a first post... On the condition that my comment is selected as the best answer. In order to show users how this forum section will operate. Though going forward, it should be noted that this forum section will be moderated in such a way that only legitimate questions that can help others will be allowed to remain here.

To be fair the topic is Trump haters... Deranged and psychotic Trump supporters could be in their own thread.

Your numbers are highly skewed by the fact that few people are participating in your poll. It's value as data is nearly zero.

In the last 10 years I’ve seen or been on the jump at big way events where at least 6 AAD activations have occurred because of low openings. In that time I know of at least 2 AFF students losing height awareness resulting in AAD activation whilst I was on the DZ. it does happen more often than reported.

Thanks for the detailed feedback, the time and effort you put into that post makes it much more likely that we're able to assist in resolving any issues.

You can look on this site... https://www.dropzone.com/classifieds/category/6-complete-systems/

It's not exactly the same situation, but here in the flight test department at Textron Aviation (aka Cessna and Beechcraft) we created and implemented an in-house process to self-report a number of aviation incidents that aren't required to be reported to the FAA. Although it does include those as well (turbine engine failures, altitude deviations, etc.). The intent of the process is to figure out areas we as a flight test department could improve. The reports are anonymous, and we actually have an understanding with the FAA to help protect our pilots legally in return to passing on the data to them. Several hundred reports have been filed over the last few years, everything ranging from system failures to TA/RA to dialing the wrong frequency. The result has been pretty eye opening for the organization, and in turn has helped shape our monthly safety meetings and yearly safety stand-down topics and training. The data has helped our local ATC update their procedures and training as well. Nothing specific made this program become a reality. It didn't take an accident or realization of some new problem. Sometimes it's simply noticing that things can be improved. I have no doubt the USPA wants this info for very similar reasons that we do. Probably no conspiracy or witch hunt involved.

I agree. Fortunately the sort of alarmism you describe is very rare. (Alarmism is not exemplified by someone who quits smoking because of the health risks; alarmism means that someone can't sleep at night because of the fear that someone else might smoke near them.) Excellent point. And concordantly, we all thought that all those advances came for free; that we wouldn't have to pay for them. Turns out we do. The mines, the oil fields, the atmosphere and the oceans are not infinite, and we are reaching the limits of what they can do for us. The cool thing is that now we know better, and can get that same quality of life without polluting the oceans and skies, and without exceeding the carrying capacity of the planet. If we want to, of course.

As stated before, while we appreciate feedback. We need more specific feedback than "I don't like it". What don't you like about it? Why do you feel that it is so different from the old site? The truth is, as mentioned in another post... We received this same kind of feedback when we launched the old design. Yet it seems most that opposed it on launch grew to like it. So we understand that it takes time for users to become accustomed to changes. And the functionality is by and large the same. There are very few things that are missing on the new format that existed on the old. We realize the "new posts" is a big one and we're going to get that back up. But otherwise, I haven't been made aware of many things that make it less functional than the previous layout. If you can articulate what has changed about your experiences, we can look more into it.

So then, it does not mean what it says? Can we move the topic into SC then?

In other words, "any AAD" does not mean "any AAD." Did I get that right? --Mark

Yeah....politics is a nasty business. Somehow Billy, you manage to make it even nastier. You definitely have a talent.

You basically made too many changes too quickly and I feel lost.. Hate to say good by...

Agreed; It is much better today. For the past couple days, I had learned to: 1. Click on dropzone.com link. 2. Go look at some other websites for a couple minutes. 3. Return to see if dropzone.com link has finally loaded.

Everything is way too big. Degeneration already mentioned the time it takes to scroll down the list of forums (mobile or desktop). The forum topic list and the topic thread are also too large. I would love to see a more visually condensed version or have the option for such.

Far too much space between each forum on the main forum listings page on desktop. It is 4 full screen heights to go from top to the bottom of the page. That's a lot of scrolling. The number of topics and posts should be on one line, and the massive amount of white space above and below the forum name should be reduced significantly. Seriously, scrolling down 4 page heights to get to the forums at the bottom is ridiculous! Notably reducing the amount of white space should easily get that down to two or less, and if you only do that for desktop viewers, that shouldn't affect your mobile audience.

I'm not sure you can be a tester with this being your first post. But with that said, if you're going to provide feedback, we'd appreciate you describing your complaints, as saying "It sucks" doesn't really assist anyone.

I don't like the new format. I hate to change to something and try to figure it out. I don't post very often but do read a few of the threads. I guess I will say good bye to dropzone.crap

I can cut-and-paste GIFs and other images. NICE. URLS with preview! NICE

Thanks for the feedback. I've adjusted the forum permissions for the archives, which were meant to be hidden and definitely was the last time I tested. But I've found the problem there and resolved that. With regards to the white space, our main focus here now is to ensure that users don't feel like important information is being left out in the white space. The white space is more a result of widening the forum layout, we moved from around 650px widths on pages to nearly double that on desktops, the reasons why mobile may feel more nice and compact is just because the screen width is much lower. But we don't think the white space is a result of removing anything? If it is, please let us know. And we are looking into adding possible forum descriptions on desktop, in order to reduce the feeling of excessive white space on the main forum page.

Hi Tim, We lost a very important big-way relative work pioneer on August 23, 2016. Jim Dann was originally from Texas. He joined the Marines at age fifteen and served on a Navy ship. He moved to Burbank, California and worked in an aircraft overhaul facility where he met Bob Buquor. Jim was one of Bob's few skydiving students. I met Jim at Burbank Airport on October 17, 1964. A mutual friend had organized a 10,000 foot Saturday morning one-way adventure headed north in a C172 with the door on. We jumped into a little DZ just past the Grapevine outside a small agricultural town named Arvin. I had twenty-two jumps. Jim and I both lived in Burbank and began sharing expenses driving up to Arvin on the weekends. We'd also attend Brian Williams's Music Appreciation, Wine Sipping and Parachute Packing Society meetings on Tuesday nights. We would wind up moving into the guest house of his mom's new place in Burbank. Listed below are some of Jim's early accomplishments: First seven-man star: Arvin, CA. Early 1965. Bill Newell and I witnessed it from the packing tables. First eight-man star: Arvin, CA. October 17, 1965. First ten-man hook-up: Arvin, CA. February, 1966. First ten-man baton pass: Arvin, CA. May 15, 1966. First nine-man star: Arvin, CA. May 29, 1966. The last weekend of the Arvin DZ. Stunt jumps for, "Don't Make Waves," the Tony Curtis, Sharon Tate movie filmed by Bob Buguor. Bob drowned on one of the camera jumps on July 27, 1966 off Malibu Pier, CA. First ten-man star: Taft, CA. July 2, 1967. Yearly big-way demo jumps into The Stock Plane Air Races at Shafter, CA Original member of The Arvin Good Guys speed ten-way team. Please feel free to make additions and/or corrections as needed. Fly Free Jim Al Paradowski SCR 002