Donald Trump Versus Hillary Clinton

[jakee 1,254]

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right...because working within your own state, where you have more influence, and fixing it there isn't good enough. Heck, if even 10 states come up with 10 different better ways of doing it, a couple might even adopt the best one on their own.

These things never coalesce, they just multiply. 'Standards are great, so we should have more of them!'

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Much better to have the feds ram one solution down the throats of 50 states

I think you may be confused as to how a constitutional amendment happens.

But anyway, aside from the knee-jerk 'federal bad!' reaction, would it not ideally be a better situation if citizens of all states had the same opportunity to help decide who their national candidate for a federal position would be, rather than some citizens having it and some not, by fluke of geographical location?


(I also thought John Oliver had a good point - don't complain about primaries now, because you can't change the rules in the middle of the game. Remember how much you dislike {if you dislike} the primary system once the election's over then start complaining about it, and then you'll have 3.5 years opportunity to get something done.)

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

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jakee

These things never coalesce, they just multiply. 'Standards are great, so we should have more of them!'

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jakee

(I also thought John Oliver had a good point - don't complain about primaries now, because you can't change the rules in the middle of the game. Remember how much you dislike {if you dislike} the primary system once the election's over then start complaining about it, and then you'll have 3.5 years opportunity to get something done.)

I like this point too. Applies to whichever viewpoint one prefers - state or federal in charge

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But anyway, aside from the knee-jerk 'federal bad!' reaction,

But anyway, aside from the knee-jerk "federal fix everything" reaction...I'm sure Quade will be thrilled if Trump wins and gets a Rep congress and they go ahead and "Fix" the primary and caucus system for all the states

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[rehmwa 2]

jcd11235

Until we implement ranked voting, instant runoff voting, or a similar alternative that gives third party candidates a real chance at winning an election

Yes please.

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rehmwa

***Until we implement ranked voting, instant runoff voting, or a similar alternative that gives third party candidates a real chance at winning an election

Yes please.

I'd love to see it happen, but it will have to happen at the federal level. The states can't do it individually.

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[billvon 2,400]

>I'd love to see it happen, but it will have to happen at the federal level. The states
>can't do it individually.

Agreed. To be more specific, the states would have to cooperate at the federal level to get a Constitutional amendment passed.

[quade 3]

rehmwa

But anyway, aside from the knee-jerk "federal fix everything" reaction...I'm sure Quade will be thrilled if Trump wins and gets a Rep congress and they go ahead and "Fix" the primary and caucus system for all the states

I'm not trying to be condescending here, but it sounds like you don't understand how Amendments to the Constitution go into effect. To wit, only with approval by at least 2/3rds of Congress and ratification of at least 3/4s of the states.

In other words, with both Federal and State cooperation and agreement and to get that, the agreement has to be reasonably representative of the US voters.

https://www.archives.gov/federal-register/constitution/

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[jakee 1,254]

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But anyway, aside from the knee-jerk "federal fix everything" reaction...I'm sure Quade will be thrilled if Trump wins and gets a Rep congress and they go ahead and "Fix" the primary and caucus system for all the states

Again, not sure you're quite following the 'Constitutional Amendment' aspect.

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[rehmwa 2]

quade

I'm not trying to be condescending here,

don't mince words, it's your SOP - and at least someone else will jump in and say exactly the same thing too (also SOP)

certainly, the people in power have an effect on how it's perceived, marketed and ratified under the process

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with both Federal and State cooperation and agreement

oh dear, how can you trust those nasty states to do the right thing?

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[rushmc 18]

quade

***So yeah, we need a better system, where more people have their voices heard much earlier in the process.

We need a better system.

True, but as I've said a few times in various threads it's going to require an Amendment to the US Constitution since elections are left up to the individual states.

Maybe something like the election of Trump would show the country the error of its ways and how things need to work with a Federal level of uniformity, but holy smokes I think that would be a difficult thing to get passed and ratified.

LOFL

The error of its ways!


Typical liberal thought process

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[ryoder 1,384]

Trump just got another endorsement: http://www.rawstory.com/2016/05/pharma-bro-martin-shkreli-endorses-trump-even-after-he-called-him-a-spoiled-brat/

Another papers hilarious take on the news: http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2016/05/shkreli-does-part-to-prevent-trump-presidency.html

"There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones.

[quade 3]

So let me get this straight, Rush, you don't think the current US election process has any inherent major flaws?

quade -
The World's Most Boring Skydiver

[rushmc 18]

quade

So let me get this straight, Rush, you don't think the current US election process has any inherent major flaws?

Major? not so much

In any event I was replying to your country seeing the error of its ways.

It appears you see yourself smarter than anyone who picks a candidate (on either side) that you don't like.

THAT arrogance is what I was commenting on.

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[billvon 2,400]

>It appears you see yourself smarter than anyone who picks a candidate . . . .THAT arrogance is what
>I was commenting on.

And yet you consider yourself to be smarter, and better at science, than 97% of the climate scientists on the planet. But to you that's not arrogance.

In advanced cases of anorexia, people often cannot see their own condition. They look in the mirror and rather than seeing a skin and bones person who is near death, they see a fat person who needs to diet. Strangely enough, if someone takes a picture of them from far enough away that they can't identify themselves, and they see it, they express concern that the person is so thin. When they think it's a stranger, they see their bodies as they really are.

I have to wonder if, when you look in the mirror, you see someone intelligent and independent, disdaining all prejudices, fighting the good fight against misinformation, evil and bias. And if someone took a picture of you from far away, and you thought it was a picture of a stranger, I have to wonder if you'd say "that guy is clueless! He just listens to what his version of the media says; he never thinks for himself. He's arrogant and condescending. And he can't even learn from his mistakes! He just parrots the same lines over and over. And then laughs."

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rushmc

In any event I was replying to your country seeing the error of its ways.

It appears you see yourself smarter than anyone who picks a candidate (on either side) that you don't like.

The problem is a system that makes it exceedingly difficult for anyone outside of two parties to be picked. When you consider that two out of the last four candidates standing, three if you consider that Ted Cruz is a Tea Party darling (not exactly Republican establishment), are outsiders to their respective parties, it's reasonable to assume that many people would like a meaningful option beyond those two parties.

A different system might allow, for example, a voter to say that they want to vote for Smith, unless Smith is not a top 2 candidate, in which case they vote for Jones, unless Jones is also not a top 2 candidate, in which case they want to vote for Hungeldorfenbacher, unless Hungeldorfenbacher also isn't a top 2 candidate, in which case they vote for Clinton.

The current system requires that, in order to maximize the value of our vote, we predict who the top two candidates will be (in general, the Republican and Democrat nominees), and choose from only those two, no matter who we truly prefer.

It's not about being smarter than the people electing candidates. It's about giving those people more options from which to choose.

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I'd like to hear more from Hungeldorfenbacher.

Especially his plan to control spending.

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rehmwa

I'd like to hear more from Hungeldorfenbacher.

Especially his plan to control spending.

His central platform plank is to stop bullying in schools.

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jcd11235

***I'd like to hear more from Hungeldorfenbacher.

Especially his plan to control spending.

His central platform plank is to stop bullying in schools.

that poor, poor, kid

"H-Bach" for President

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[rushmc 18]

Nope

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[normiss 622]

"Hung-Bach", for the women's vote.

[RonD1120 58]

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WASHINGTON — Donald Trump's best ally in winning over skeptical Republicans is turning out to be Hillary Clinton.

Having overcome a multimillion-dollar "Never Trump" campaign aimed at blocking him from the Republican nomination, he's now benefiting from a wave of GOP donors, party leaders, voters and conservative groups that are uniting under a new banner: "Never Hillary."

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/never-mind-trump-gop-uniting-under-banner-never-hillary/ar-BBtA3CF?ocid=spartanntp

Michael Savage stated several months ago that the ideal election would be Trump against Sanders. I don't think ol' Bernie can whip the Clinton machine. But, BHO stated somewhere on his latest kiss ass, hate America trip that there is no difference in ideology between Bernie and Hillary.

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RonD1120

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WASHINGTON — Donald Trump's best ally in winning over skeptical Republicans is turning out to be Hillary Clinton.

Having overcome a multimillion-dollar "Never Trump" campaign aimed at blocking him from the Republican nomination, he's now benefiting from a wave of GOP donors, party leaders, voters and conservative groups that are uniting under a new banner: "Never Hillary."

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/never-mind-trump-gop-uniting-under-banner-never-hillary/ar-BBtA3CF?ocid=spartanntp

Michael Savage stated several months ago that the ideal election would be Trump against Sanders. I don't think ol' Bernie can whip the Clinton machine. But, BHO stated somewhere on his latest kiss ass, hate America trip that there is no difference in ideology between Bernie and Hillary.

When I compare the things that Obama says with the stuff you write on here, it seems you hate America far more than he does.

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jakee

John Oliver had a good point - don't complain about primaries now, because you can't change the rules in the middle of the game.

Ya, I learned that the hard way - after standing in line, they finally took my I.D and verified I was a registered Independent Voter - Then I waited in another line - finally, they told me I had to fill out a card with my all personal information and how I was voting in order to get a ballot.

I said that I'm already registered and verified, can I just please have a ballot?

"You have to fill out your personal info."

No, you already know who I am - I'm regestered - you have my I.D

"I know sir - it's something new - it's dumb, we agree."

Ok, I know, so just give me a ballot and then let me vote.

"Sorry sir, you need to fill out the card. . ."

Eventually, blah, blah,blah - "we agree" - they said call this number and then the police escorted me out.. . .

(believe it or not, I did not drop one f-bomb. . .)

Never was there an answer....not without listening, without seeing - Gilmour

[mistercwood 287]

Wait what? You have to identify yourself in great personal detail AND say how you're going to vote before you get the ballot that allows you to vote? WTF??? Is the premise of anonymity not applicable to the Primaries, just the General?

Honestly I don't really know how it goes over there and maybe it all makes sense in context, but on the surface that sounds at best vulnerable to abuse, and at worst flat out corrupt...

You are playing chicken with a planet - you can't dodge and planets don't blink. Act accordingly.

[Coreeece 2]

mistercwood

Wait what? You have to identify yourself in great personal detail AND say how you're going to vote before you get the ballot that allows you to vote? WTF??? Is the premise of anonymity not applicable to the Primaries, just the General?

Honestly I don't really know how it goes over there and maybe it all makes sense in context, but on the surface that sounds at best vulnerable to abuse, and at worst flat out corrupt...

All I know is that I was recognized as a registered voter - give me a ballot.

I basically shared your sentiment, and they all said that they agreed, but "this is new - here, call this number"

...When I continually expressed that that wasn't acceptable - I was then escorted out by police.

Just to be clear - I didn't have to tell them who I was voting for, just the party - and that's acceptable obviously. My problem was filling out all this personal info along with party preference on some mysterious card that they could not/would not explain in order for me to receive a ballot - I mean seriously, what's the problem - they already checked me off as legit on their voter list for that precinct? - Just give me a ballot of my choice and lets get on with it, wtf?

Never was there an answer....not without listening, without seeing - Gilmour