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For Discussion Hi. Assume a wing suit jump. And assume that a lightly loaded square parachute is flying flat / straight, but there are multiple line twists between the canopy and the jumper. What is current thinking on getting out of line twists prior to decision altitude? Squeeze risers together and reach up to untwist to bring twists down to the risers? Pull risers apart and? Other? Thank you

Thanks Matt. I copied into a word file and saved for later reading

one reason that I know of. I bought a 7 cell canopy in 1981, a Bill Gargano (Spirit, 220 ^2 ft 7 cell). Great canopy for the time. It came WITH risers. One first deployment I lost 1/4 of the suspension lines. The front - left riser's top attachment point had just be folded over and hot melt glued down, not sewn. I missed that fact and so did any quality control at the factory. Form your own opinion about why "For Navy and Air Force procurements, hot glues are not authorized as an assembly aid".

Many fond memories of spending time with Jean and Carl at their home in Hawthorne (ping pong, lemonade, popcorn, Julia the sheepdog, camera gear, lottsa nylon and Carl's laugh) Spending time in the adventure world was kinda memorable too. BSBD.

No calendar available? VERY Disappointing

A non-riggers recollection = Some round canopy's drive slot mesh was not properly cleaned / treated during manufacturing which led to a low ph condition on the surface of the mesh = acid mesh. When the mesh is folded and packed against the canopy's nylon panels, they could become discolored and otherwise damaged, (think failure during deployment due to weakend fabric). How'd I do Jerry? Cheers

I don't. Craig D-8292

where will the archives be located? How can they be accessed? cheers

May be old news to some, but https://www.flyswoop.com/

ps. Ian Bobo, an inductee, also participated in the "opening ceremonies" demo jump.

ala Mark Hewitt. also the "inventor" of the line-mod used by smart people for slider off / down jumps

Sadly Mark is a dead guy now. See Blue Skies section I miss him. Craig

What? Why?

most important IMO is who you were with, where you were and what you did. deployment altitude? don't see much point in this for my use case.

Never mind, sold it at the Perris DZ.

No other discussion about this event? If so, please move to that existing thread. I went on Saturday the 9th just to see old friends. Definitely did some of that. Also got to; Listen to Craig OB describe his experience working on a Mission Impossible film gig. See lottsa old-timey photo's from Perris jump history. Watch practice jumps for the demonstration jump prior to dinner at March AFB . The CReW guys from CFS rocked the display and had a bit of help from uber-competent wing suit flyers and some guys from the PD factory team doing no contact sequential canopy ballet. Kudo's to Chris Gay, he is one of the few (only?) inductees that also organize / participate in the "opening ceremonies" demo jump. Next year = Deland

Hi. I recently posted an advert in the classified section for a PD Horizon. I selected the 30 day featured ad option, yet was never taken to a "billing screen" to pay my $20. Not really complaining about that......................... But also notice that the email seller option does not allow a person to contact me (no test email received). The message seller option does work. Cheers

We (100+) of us gathered @ Skydive PA in Pennsyltucky on Saturday Sep 18 to remember how Moe touched our lives. Cindy M created a wonderful audio-visual presentation. I won't link to it here since I'm not the creator, but if you sniff around on the evil FB, you'll find it. Craig

gotta love people with one post trying to sell crap.

I recently found this scribe, re-read it and smiled. I originally wrote this for blue skies magazine, but since they seem to be history, I'm posting it here. Maybe you will too? A Tale of Two First Jump Courses Even though I’m an old guy who is all too rapidly approaching the opportunity to join the S.O.S. club, I’m happy to say that this level of “maturity” allowed me to do my initial first jump course during an interesting time of student gear transition. I made my initial first jump @ Skydive Perris in May of 81 while I was a Marine. When I tell people this, they naturally assume that I made military jumps. Actually I started jumping as a way to get away from my fellow jarheads at the El Toro air base. For some reason I didn’t really click as a military guy and was considered to have an attitude problem. What better reason to go to the DZ and meet new friends who might be a tad more accepting of me? The classroom part of the FJC occurred in the barracks. A former marine had a tidy business teaching the FJC class to military people. He would come to the base, teach the classroom part, get paid, then see who would show up at the DZ for in-harness training <no refunds for no-shows J>. Gear at the time was an interesting mix of “conventional” and piggyback. While we were on the static line we jumped T10s on our back and some other round thing on our belly. Once we were cleared for freefall we had the opportunity to upgrade to piggyback gear. You haven’t enjoyed a “modern gear upgrade” until you’ve had the chance to jump with both a 32 foot round main and 28 foot round reserve packed into the Kelvinator on your back. A few memorable events of the student training progression include; 1. Climbing out onto the strut of the 182 on my first jump and telling the pilot 10 right, (why did he and the jumpmaster just laugh at me and wag the wing?) 2. Backing up to the tailgate door’s abyss of a Skyvan while trying to see the floor under my belly mount reserve. I clearly remember being afraid of falling out before I was ready. 3. Sitting in the shade on the sidewalk while waiting our turn to climb into the DC-3 and sweating from fear and anxiety. 4. Sitting in the shade on the sidewalk while waiting our turn to climb into the DC-3 and watching a student dangling from the door of the DAC at 2,800 feet. He was twisting in the prop blast with his rig locked closed and firmly attached to the airframe via the static line. The jump master ended up clipping into the line, slid down to the mostly unconscious student, cut the line and initiated reserve deployment. A young Norman Kent got a glorious sequence of photo’s while sticking his head, (and camera), out the port fuselage door. 5. Losing a bit of altitude awareness on my graduation jump and initiating main deployment ~ 1800 feet. I was certain that I had failed, but the jumpmaster came over, slapped me on the back and told me, “congrat’s, you’re a skydiver”. Fast forward a bunch of years. I’d daydreamed about going to a DZ sometime where no one knew me and pretending that I was a newb while taking a FJC. But to more accurately recreate my FJC experience, it had to be a static line FJC. Those were pretty much non-existent in So Cal after the early 90’s so that dream just simmered. One day I was in Portland OR on business and the vendor I was auditing chatted me up about jumping. He was stoked about taking a FJC. I did a bit of research and found a local DZ that allowed static line FJC progression. YES! Jim and I called Skydive Wilburs* (name changed) and made an appointment for the next day. I gave Jim my abbreviated version of the FJC; arch on exit and keep your feet and knees together on landing. What more can you really do as a S/L fist jump student? We found out what else you can do during the 4 ½ classroom portion of the FJC; gear familiarization, airplane boarding, exit technique, good canopy recognition, reserve procedures, flying the pattern, blah blah blah. The instructor did quite a good job and obviously had concern for the students and passion the sport. Two thumbs up. I had no trouble staying engaged in the instruction and had a good time treading the line of appearing apprehensive / engaged / knowing too much during Q&A. During one of the breaks Jim and I walked around the DZ and were chatting about how it seemed they had no clue I was an imposter. We walked into a packing / beer drinking area that had several posters on the wall, including some from the old Django Canopy Company. That put a big smile on my face since my CReW team were flying the canopies in the posters. The people at Wilbur’s were looking at me nearly every day and didn’t know it. They geared us up, (dual square piggyback rigs), a final run through of reserve procedures and walked us to the plane, a Beaver. Yuck, my only previous experience with a Beaver was at the 85 CReW Nationals in Muskogee. That pilot flew barefoot and smoked on the way to altitude. Climbing to 6.5 in a Beaver full of large CReW dogs takes a long time. The Beaver pilot at Skydive Wilbur’s didn’t smoke and wore shoes. That combined with only having 4 people in the plane made the ride to 9.5 pretty sweet while watching the beautiful Oregon countryside. Exit altitude, jump run, I remind Jim to arch and keep knees and feet together while the door swings open. He climbs out on the strut and seems to have a good exit. The jumpmaster pulls in the S/L and gives the command, “climb out on the strut”. I climb onto the strut while smiling at her and saying, “jumping borrowed gear is black death”. She gives me a WTF look and watches my exit. The jump, canopy flight and landing were uneventful as they say in Parachutist. The reception I got upon landing was not. Wilbur, the DZO was pissed. He was sure I was there from the FAA or USPA or CIA or someone just to bust his operation. It took a bit of ‘splaining about how this was my finally realized dream before he cooled off and warmed to the idea. We even shared a few beverages and he invited me back to jump his ParaCommander. The jumpmaster wanted nothing to do with me even after explanations. My friend Jim? Well he forgot a critical part of my FJC instruction, badly tweaked his ankle and never made another jump. I had a great time reliving my FJC and would encourage you to do what it takes to make your dreams come true. Blue Skies, Black Death. Craig Fenstermaker D-8292

Hi Wendy, can't help with your go-pro issue (though I suspect it may just be a function of the go-pro hardware [lens]). but It was good to unexpectedly see you in Cleveland. Cheers Craig

Remember doing "door jams" next to the toilets at Perris? Teams wore protective gear (shin guards, arm guards) to protect those being dragged out the door with the chunk.

"practice vest"??? i know someone with a circa 2004 vector, complete with ragged out PD210 and pillow in the reserve container. includes both handles i'm sure he'd send to you for shipping costs. located in san diego

I first met Ken circa 1981 when he was doing video / film for Perris Valley Visions. I was a student and would occasionally be in the same DC3 as them and would watch their exits in wonder. A few months later I bought my first non-round canopy, a double keel paradactyl from Ken that Visions was selling as they moved to squares. Fast forward to 2018ish, I saw Ken at an event at Perris, (Pat Works memorial) and as we chatted we discovered we lived ~ 1 1/2 miles apart. I would stop by occasionally to say hi. I rode by his house yesterday and was told that he died in Jan 2021 from COVID related issues. Blue Skies Ken.

listen to the current skydive radio podcast. good info there.