North Carolina Anti-anti-discrimination law

[Coreeece 2]

normiss

I've used women's restrooms in NC

Hello, thanks for sharing - my name is coreece. . .um. . .

. . .sometimes I sit when I pee.

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RonD1120

Prior to HB2 men could not use a woman's facility.

Actually, they were, you just had no idea. I think you realize the issue has never been about someone going into the women's room who looks like he's from ZZ-Top.

"I encourage all awesome dangerous behavior." - Jeffro Fincher

[normiss 622]

Typical religious attitude and obsession with people in the bathroom.

Seems to be THE problem IMO.

[gowlerk 1,914]

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Prior to HB2 men could not use a woman's facility.

Only by custom, not by law. People who look like women, but whose birth certificates id them as men have been using the facility that they feel comfortable in for years. Without it ever being an issue.

Always remember the brave children who died defending your right to bear arms. Freedom is not free.

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RonD1120

Prior to HB2 men could not use a woman's facility.

And with HB@, NC lawmakers have passed a law forcing some men to do just that. Why do you believe forcing some men to use women's restrooms is a good idea?

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[billvon 2,400]

>In particular, why should we as a society celebrate a psychological disorder instead of
>offering compassionate treatment?

We should not. We should not celebrate born-again Christians, transsexuals, people who hear God talking to them, people who treat their cats like their children or people who enjoy reality TV. All we should do is tolerate people who live their own lives without attacking anyone else.

[billvon 2,400]

>I've used women's restrooms in NC, not yet charged I suppose.

Yep. And here in San Diego, women regularly use men's rooms at stadiums because the lines in women's rooms are so long.

>I don't think anyone actually cared.

Clearly Ron does.

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billvon

>In particular, why should we as a society celebrate a psychological disorder instead of
>offering compassionate treatment?

We should not. We should not celebrate born-again Christians, transsexuals, people who hear God talking to them, people who treat their cats like their children or people who enjoy reality TV. All we should do is tolerate people who live their own lives without attacking anyone else.

+1.

And from a different perspective, we should learn to differentiate between "tolerance" and "irrelevance." I don't have to tolerate any adult relationship that doesn't appeal to me. Someone else's relationship is simply irrelevant to my life.

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[RonD1120 58]

billvon

Clearly Ron does.

Actually, clearly, Ron is pointing out the continuing decadent slide downward. These are signs of the end times.

What bothers me most is the heavy hand of the liberal federal government. The issue should be handled by the individual states.

It appears that GA is going to stand opposite to NC. Therefore, I see trouble on the horizon.

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[kallend 1,623]

RonD1120

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Clearly Ron does.

Actually, clearly, Ron is pointing out the continuing decadent slide downward. These are signs of the end times.



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In particular, why should we as a society celebrate a psychological disorder instead of offering compassionate treatment?

Ron, if this is a cry for help just blink twice. We're happy to get you the treatment you need in the most compassionate way possible.

"I encourage all awesome dangerous behavior." - Jeffro Fincher

[gowlerk 1,914]

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What bothers me most is the heavy hand of the liberal federal government. The issue should be handled by the individual states.

Individual states have a long history of discrimination and repression. People hiding in the hills on the fringes of society take themselves outside of the decision making process.

Always remember the brave children who died defending your right to bear arms. Freedom is not free.

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RonD1120

What bothers me most is the heavy hand of the liberal federal government. The issue should be handled by the individual states.

So you're advocating that states sidestep the Constitution? Check out Article 6 and the fourteenth Amendment.

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jcd11235

***What bothers me most is the heavy hand of the liberal federal government. The issue should be handled by the individual states.

So you're advocating that states sidestep the Constitution? Check out Article 6 and the fourteenth Amendment.

10th Amendment? Hmmm!

Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

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RonD1120

******What bothers me most is the heavy hand of the liberal federal government. The issue should be handled by the individual states.

So you're advocating that states sidestep the Constitution? Check out Article 6 and the fourteenth Amendment.

10th Amendment? Hmmm!

The tenth amendment is a truism. It does absolutely nothing to change the meaning of the Constitution. That being said, the discrimination by NC is prohibited, and not protected by the tenth amendment.

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kallend

I'd rather be in a bathroom with a transgender person than with any of these holier-than-thou "family values" Republicans (all a matter of public record):

Dennis Hastert - former Speaker, molested teenagers.

Republican County Constable Larry Dale Floyd was arrested on suspicion of soliciting sex with an 8-year old girl. Floyd has repeatedly won elections for Denton County, Texas, constable.

Republican judge Mark Pazuhanich of Wilkes Barre, Pennsylvania pled no contest to fondling a 10-year old girl and was sentenced to 10 years probation.

Republican Party leader Bobby Stumbo of Floyd County, Kentucky was arrested for having sex with a 5-year old boy.

Republican teacher and former city councilman John Collins of Asbury Park, New Jersey pled guilty to sexually molesting 13 and 14 year old girls.

Republican campaign worker Mark Seidensticker of Nashua, New Hampshire is a convicted child molester.

Republican Mayor Philip Giordano of Waterbury, Connecticut is serving a 37-year sentence in federal prison for sexually abusing 8 and 10-year old girls.

Republican Mayor John Gosek of Oswego, New York was arrested on charges of soliciting sex from two 15-year old girls.

Republican County Commissioner David Swartz of Richland County, Ohio pled guilty to molesting two girls under the age of 11 and was sentenced to 8 years in prison.

Republican Speaker of the Puerto Rico House of Representatives Edison Misla Aldarondo was sentenced to 10 years in prison for raping his daughter between the ages of 9 and 17.

Republican Committeeman John R. Curtain of Monroe County, Pennsylvania was charged with molesting a teenage boy and unlawful sexual contact with a minor.

Republican anti-abortion activist Howard Scott Heldreth of Kannapolis, N.C., is a convicted child rapist in Florida.

Republican zoning supervisor, Boy Scout leader and Lutheran church president Dennis L. Rader of Witchita, Kansas pled guilty to performing a sexual act on an 11-year old girl he murdered.

Republican anti-abortion activist Nicholas Morency of Camden, New Jersey pled guilty to possessing child pornography on his computer and offering a bounty to anybody who murders an abortion doctor.

Republican campaign consultant Tom Shortridge of Soputhbay, California was sentenced to three years probation for taking nude photographs of a 15-year old girl.

Republican racist pedophile and United States Senator Strom Thurmond of South Carolina had sex with a 15-year old black girl which produced a child.

Republican pastor Mike Hintz of Des Moines, Iowa, who George W. Bush commended during the 2004 presidential campaign, surrendered to police after admitting to a sexual affair with a female juvenile.

Republican legislator Peter Dibble of New London, Connecticut pled no contest to having an inappropriate relationship with a 13-year-old girl.

Republican advertising consultant Carey Lee Cramer of Arizona was charged with molesting his 9-year old step daughter after including her in an anti-Gore television commercial.

Republican activist Lawrence E. King, Jr. and Republican lobbyist Craig J. Spence both of Washington, D.C. organized child sex parties at the White House during the 1980s.

Republican Congressman Donald “Buz” Lukens of Columbus, Ohio was found guilty of having sex with a female minor and sentenced to one month in jail.

Republican fundraiser Richard A. Delgaudio of Burke, Virginia was found guilty of child porn charges and paying two teenage girls to pose for sexual photos.

Republican activist Mark A. Grethen of Colorado Springs. Colorado was convicted on six counts of sex crimes involving children.

Republican activist Randal David Ankeney of El Paso County, Arizona pled guilty to attempted sexual assault on a child.

Republican Congressman Dan Crane of Illinois had sex with a female minor working as a congressional page.

Republican activist and Christian Coalition and South Carolina Republican leader Beverly Russell admitted to an incestuous relationship with his step daughter.

Republican Judge Ronald C. Kline of Orange County, California was placed under house arrest for child molestation and possession of child pornography.

Republican congressman and anti-gay activist Robert Bauman of Maryland was charged with having sex with a 16-year-old boy he picked up at a gay bar.

Republican Committee Chairman and attorney Jeffrey Patti of Sparta, New Jersey was arrested for distributing a video clip of a 5-year-old girl being raped.

Republican activist Marty Glickman of Florida (a.k.a. “Republican Marty”), was taken into custody by Florida police on four counts of unlawful sexual activity with an underage girl and one count of delivering the drug LSD. It was Glickman, interestingly enough, that claimed Bill Clinton came from a low rent state and had torn down all of the standards for the highest office in the land.

Republican legislative aide Howard L. Brooks of Quartz Hill, California was charged with molesting a 12-year old boy and possession of child pornography.

Republican Senate candidate John Hathaway who had relocated to Maine from Huntsville, Alabama after having been accused of having sex with his 12-year old baby sitter and withdrew his candidacy after the allegations were reported in the media.

Republican preacher Stephen White of West Chester, Pennsylvania, who demanded a return to traditional values, was sentenced to jail after offering $20 to a 14-year-old boy for permission to perform oral sex on him.

Republican talk show host Jon Matthews of Houston, Texas pled guilty to exposing his genitals to an 11 year old girl.

Republican anti-gay activist Earl “Butch” Kimmerling of Anderson, Indiana was sentenced to 40 years in prison for molesting an 8-year old girl after he attempted to stop a gay couple from adopting her.

Republican Party leader Paul Ingram of Thurston County, Washington pled guilty to six counts of raping his daughters and served 14 years in federal prison.

Republican election board official Kevin Coan of St. Louis, Missouri was sentenced to two years probation for soliciting sex over the internet from a 14-year old girl.

Republican politician Andrew Buhr, also of St. Louis, was charged with two counts of first degree sodomy with a 13-year old boy.

Republican politician Keith Westmoreland of Kingsport, Tennessee was arrested on seven felony counts of lewd and lascivious exhibition to girls under the age of 16 (i.e. exposing himself to children).

Republican anti-abortion activist John Allen Burt of Pensacola, Florida was found guilty of molesting a 15-year old girl.

Republican County Councilman Keola Childs of Hawaii County, Hawaii pled guilty to molesting a male child.

Republican activist John Butler of Cass County, Illinois was charged with criminal sexual assault on a teenage girl.

Republican candidate Richard Gardner of Clark County, Nevada admitted to molesting his two daughters.

Republican Councilman and former Marine Jack W. Gardner of Lancaster, Pennsylvania was convicted of molesting a 13-year old girl.

Republican County Commissioner Merrill Robert Barter of Boothbay, Maine pled guilty to unlawful sexual contact and assault on a teenage boy.

Republican City Councilman Fred C. Smeltzer, Jr. of Wrightsville Borough, Delaware pled no contest to raping a 15 year-old girl and served 6-months in prison.

Republican activist Parker J. Bena pleaded guilty to possession of child pornography on his home computer and was sentenced to 30 months in federal prison and fined $18,000.

Republican parole board officer and former Colorado state representative, Larry Jack Schwarz, was fired after child pornography was found in his possession.

Republican strategist and Citadel Military College graduate Robin Vanderwall of Virginia was convicted in Virginia on five counts of soliciting sex from boys and girls over the internet.

Republican city councilman Mark Harris of West Bend, Wisconsin, who has been described as a “good military man” and “church goer,” was convicted of repeatedly having sex with an 11-year-old girl and sentenced to 12 years in prison.

Republican businessman Jon Grunseth withdrew his candidacy for Minnesota governor after allegations surfaced that he went swimming in the nude with four underage girls, including his daughter.

Republican director of the “Young Republican Federation” Nicholas Elizondo of Bakersfield, California molested his 6-year old daughter and was sentenced to six years in prison.

Republican president of the New York City Housing Development Corp, Russell Harding, pled guilty to possessing child pornography on his computer.

Republican benefactor of conservative Christian groups, Richard A. Dasen, Sr. of Kalispell, Montana, was found guilty of raping a 15-year old girl. Dasen, 62, who is married with grown children and several grandchildren, has allegedly told police that over the past decade he paid more than $1 million to have sex with a large number of young women.

Republican Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld authorized the rape of children in Iraqi prisons in order to humiliate their parents into providing information about the anti-American insurgency.

Hopefully you just pasted someone's list; whoever made this one is obsessed.

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[tonyhays 86]

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Actually, clearly, Ron is pointing out the continuing decadent slide downward. These are signs of the end times.

I've asked you before and you didn't answer, so I'll ask you again. Give me specific examples of how these are the end times, correlating with specific bible scripture. Not generalities, specifics.

I'm especially curious as to you why you think this with issues near and dear to theists hearts...such as abortion, teen pregnancy, violent crime, divorce rate, and drug use all on a downward trend or stabilised. For years. Despite people leaving the church in record numbers.

The exception with my list is drug use in states that have legalised weed.

“That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence.”

[jakee 1,255]

tonyhays

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Actually, clearly, Ron is pointing out the continuing decadent slide downward. These are signs of the end times.

I've asked you before and you didn't answer, so I'll ask you again. Give me specific examples of how these are the end times, correlating with specific bible scripture. Not generalities, specifics.

There's conflict in the Middle East. Because that's, y'know, so unusual.

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[RonD1120 58]

tonyhays

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Actually, clearly, Ron is pointing out the continuing decadent slide downward. These are signs of the end times.

I've asked you before and you didn't answer, so I'll ask you again. Give me specific examples of how these are the end times, correlating with specific bible scripture. Not generalities, specifics.

I'm especially curious as to you why you think this with issues near and dear to theists hearts...such as abortion, teen pregnancy, violent crime, divorce rate, and drug use all on a downward trend or stabilised. For years. Despite people leaving the church in record numbers.

The exception with my list is drug use in states that have legalised weed.

I debated with myself as to whether I should pick up this rope. You question does not fit my criteria for response. However, I prayed about it and Lord spoke to me and said, “Give it a try but keep it simple.”

First of all, it is obvious that anything I write will not be accepted. That is a given. Second, you are asking for specifics within a topic that is discussed among believers as conceptual and general.

So, from the onset we are not going to be on the same page.

Within your list are two indicators of end times. They are abortion and people leaving the church. The others are, I believe, just the stuff of life.

The Old Testament makes reference to the sacrifice of children to demonic gods. We have now accepted that practice with the sophistication of medical science and the rational concept that an unborn child is not a human being.

It is true that many people are leaving the church. At the same time millions of people around the world are accepting Jesus Christ as the Son of God, His atoning death and resurrection which is the bridge to eternal life.

There are three types of people who attend church. They are believers, unbelievers and make-believers. The unbelievers and some of the make-believers become bored and dissatisfied and leave. That is to be expected. One of our prolific posters in this forum falls into this category. A true believer may church hop looking for congenial fellowship. A true believer may not attend church at all. However, a true believer will never turn their back on their salvation and Jesus the Christ.

It is the experience of salvation that can never be denied. It is life changing to be born again. That will not happen until a person is overcome with paralyzing fear and despair. You truly have to have your back against a wall in life that cannot be overcome with power or guile. The decision to accept Christ must come from the heart not the mind. In other words, it is not a lottery. You can't just try it to see if you win.

When you reach out to Christ in true faith He will be there.

The New Testament makes many references to the signs of the end times. Most of the scripture refers to the Jews because they are God's chosen people. We as Christians are adopted so to speak and therefore passengers on the eternal train observing how Israel guides the times and the journey.

Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

[Coreeece 2]

Nice post Ron, thanks.

Never was there an answer....not without listening, without seeing - Gilmour

[Coreeece 2]

***The Old Testament makes reference to the sacrifice of children to demonic gods. We have now accepted that practice with the sophistication of medical science and the rational concept that an unborn child is not a human being.
It's interesting that you'll often here about how our "religious" thoughts are outdated - that they are neolithic - that we have a neanderthal mindset or whatever - bronze aged beliefs, blah, blah, blah.

...but in this country today, they deliberately kill off their own offspring for the sake of sustaining one's own lifestyle.

You'd think the self-righteous indignance of secular humanism would've put an end to, or at least publicly condemned this rather neolithic way of life rather than supporting it. . .

Never was there an answer....not without listening, without seeing - Gilmour

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Coreeece

***The Old Testament makes reference to the sacrifice of children to demonic gods. We have now accepted that practice with the sophistication of medical science and the rational concept that an unborn child is not a human being.

It's interesting that you'll often here about how our "religious" thoughts are outdated - that they are neolithic - that we have a neanderthal mindset or whatever - bronze aged beliefs, blah, blah, blah.

...but in this country today, they deliberately kill off their own offspring for the sake of sustaining one's own lifestyle.

You'd think the self-righteous indignance of secular humanism would've put an end to, or at least publicly condemned this rather neolithic way of life rather than supporting it. . .

Is that a conundrum?

I maintain that liberalism/secular humanism is a mental illness because it avoids, discredits, legislates against basic standards of common sense. It is a thought process of constant conflict.

Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

[gowlerk 1,914]

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It is a thought process of constant conflict.

True dat. I like to call it "critical thinking".

Always remember the brave children who died defending your right to bear arms. Freedom is not free.

[jakee 1,255]

RonD1120

Is that a conundrum?

I maintain that liberalism/secular humanism is a mental illness because it avoids, discredits, legislates against basic standards of common sense. It is a thought process of constant conflict.

I think you meant to write 'religion'.

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

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With which common sense is liberalism in conflict? That's common sense in the general abstract, not as defined by a subset with common social rules. Because it's the existence of those common social rules that's being questioned.

Why question them? Because they don't work for everyone, and the everyone that they don't work for include people who are capable of being self-sufficient, forming good relationships, and being productive members of society. If you consider those three things to be the underlying characteristics of normal people, then social constructs should allow those people to flourish as they wish, without unnecessarily restricting how they express themselves.

There have been successful societies that didn't have our same social constructs. Sometimes people are blinded by "one-way" disease -- the thought that there is only one way to a good life/success/happiness/whatever. The corollary to one-way disease is that, if the person feels themself to be successful, then they have found the one way. If they aren't, then they want to know the one way that will get them there. What some fail to understand is that identifying what the characteristics of happiness/success/whatever is, in fact, subjective and dependent on the individual. Otherwise, why would vanity surgery and reality TV shows exist?

Wendy P.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)