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  1. wolfriverjoe


    Give me a couple days to dig it out and get some pics.
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    SOS handles are still around. Not super common, but they're out there. Any idea what the S/L itself looks like? The ones I've seen (and packed) for sport student rigs have the metal 'locking' clip on one end and velcro on the other. I actually have both of the above (sport SOS handle & S/L) in my 'parts bin'.
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    Family and friends advice

    One way to do it to make it easier for him is to do what I did - Take him out on a day you won't be jumping. That would give him the opportunity to 'take in' the atmosphere and attitudes of the DZ without any anxiety about you. Given the drive time, that may not be realistic. Observer rides are also cool. Depending on your dad's willingness and the plane they fly, it might be an option. Keep in mind that Otters and King Airs often descend as rapidly as possible. Near vertical dives are common. He may or may not be willing to endure that. My mom declined the offer of a ride for that reason. Skyvans & 182s descend much more gently.
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    Family and friends advice

    The response I give depends on who (and how important they are in my life). The casual friends are simply informed that they are completely clueless about the reality of the sport. "How much do you really know about it? Are you basing your judgement on what you've seen in movies and on TV?" Closer friends and family get the facts and statistics: 13 deaths in the US last year, about as dangerous as riding a motorcycle, choices that I make (canopy size, AAD, RSL, types of jumps) have a huge effect on the risk, lots of folks make thousands of jumps and retire from the sport, ect. Really close people get an invitation to the DZ. "Come out and see for yourself what it's really like." Erroll's post about the activities at the DZ cover it well. Kind of funny that you bring this up now. I got my first jumps of the season in on Saturday. I finally brought my mom out to the DZ I currently jump at. She loved to come up when the DZs were closer (about 1/2 hour drive). But the two local DZs are now closed, and the one I currently jump at is 2 hours away. So I typically go down Friday afternoon or early Saturday and spend the weekend in a tent. She asked a few times to go if I was just going for a single day, but it hadn't happened until last weekend. She had a ball. She'd never seen that many canopies in the air at once before (old DZs were 182s, new place has an Otter). Everyone from the manifest babes to the fun jumpers to the DZO and his wife were very friendly and welcoming. One thing she absolutely loves about the DZ (this one and the previous ones) is how open and welcoming everyone is. Since it was Mother's Day weekend, the DZ offered discounted tandems or free observer rides to the moms. She understands how the Otter descends, so she declined. Mom was a bit apprehensive about me jumping, but understood that life is a risk. She had come out to the old Wolf River when I would go up there after a long weekend - We'd leave some of the student rigs unpacked and I would go up on a Monday or Tuesday and pack them up. She enjoyed the peace and quiet of the mostly deserted airport. She finally (after me jumping for 6 or 7 years) came out to see people jumping one day when I was flying the plane. I invited her saying 'I won't be jumping, so you won't have to worry about that'. She saw the joy and exuberance of the guys jumping and decided to come out again to watch when I was jumping. She again had a blast watching us and from then on would come out and watch on a regular basis. One of her favorite things was seeing the first time tandem students. She loved how they would walk in nervous and apprehensive, with the fear increasing as they went through training and getting harnessed up, then walking out to the plane. And then, the joy on their faces, in their voices and all that after they got back down. She's never jumped (age and health issues), but has a pretty good understanding of the joy it brings.
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    Well... black skies for you my friends

    I'd go with this. Without context, it's hard to say, but I would take 'black skies' as wishing bad things towards someone. Intentionally wishing harm on them. The 'can I be on your ash dive?' comment is generally directed at people who are doing stupid shit, have been told how bad of an idea it is, and keep on doing it. It's not wishing bad things as much as predicting them. Somewhat similar to bounce bingo. I have my list. People who make bad choices and ignore lessons learned by themselves and others. Or the 'black skies' comment could have been sheer stupidity. While I started well after the real BS/BD days, my understanding is that it basically means 'enjoy the good but understand that the bad will happen.' The sport has changed to the point that some people don't even think it's 'dangerous'.
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    ParaAvis Container

    Good point. Thank you for the clarification.
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    L&B Viso II

    SSK is the L&B service center in the US. Same as for AirTec. Edit: Gowlerk beat me to it.
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    ParaAvis Container

    The rules for foreign jumpers jumping foreign gear in the US are pretty simple. If it's legal in your country, and you aren't a US resident, then it's legal to jump here when you visit. One thing about Hawaii, though. The DZs are tricky. They get some nasty winds. I seem to remember that they have minimum jump/license level requirements. I would strongly suggest you get in touch with the DZ to see if you meet their minimums. (I could be wrong on this and welcome correction if so)
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    Going Home Again

    Welcome back.
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    Skydiving and the Impact of Tunnel

    Tunnel is just the freefall. Skydiving is more than just the freefall. While tunnel is fun and educational, it's not the DZ and it's not jumping. General observations: Freefall (and freefly) skills are well up. Gear knowledge, airplane procedure knowledge and canopy skills are not. My DZ still has a good fun jumper base, although the freeflyers are becoming more prevalent. Finding other belly fliers can be challenging sometimes. A lot of this is dependent on the DZ and it's 'vibe'. The DZO where I jump is an active jumper (competes in vert at nationals) and the DZ sponsors several teams. The 'fun jumper community' is actively supported. Events, classes (instructional rating and canopy courses), even 'after hours' stuff, like potluck dinners and the annual chili cookoff. That sort of action by the DZ makes all the difference in the world.
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    Youngest Swooper?

    There was a 'youngest to...' craze in general aviation back in the mid-90s. It ended tragically when the desire to 'get there' overcame common sense and good judgement and killed a 7 year old girl, her father and the CFI who was the 'official' pilot in command. Search "Jessica Dubroff" for more. The problem with it is that any high skill, high risk activity takes experience and judgement. The old adage "You don't know what you don't know" is very applicable. Regardless of age, a JVX at 2.4 at 1200 jumps is 'aggressive' at best. I know too many 'titanium club' members to take HP canopy stuff lightly.
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    AFF and Anxiety

    It's normal. I will disagree to a certain degree with the 'walk away if your gut says no' part. What you are doing is dangerous (there's a thread going on this). If you aren't at least a little bit scared, then you don't understand the risks you are facing. I get that you had made a number of errors in the beginning of your day, and were 'off'. That's different than typical 'pre-jump jitters'. That part is a good reason to sit down. I learned a while back not to rush when getting ready. I can always scratch off the load and get on the next one.
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    DB Cooper

    First off, those are surface winds. Winds aloft are usually higher, sometimes a lot higher. While modern 'square' canopies have a fair amount of forward 'drive', it's not uncommon to get pushed backwards by a strong wind. For example, my Sabre2 170 (which is considered 'pretty big and slow') has a 'full flight' forward speed somewhere around 20 mph. I've been in lots of situations where I have little or no forward ground speed when pointed into the wind. We intentionally get out of the plane upwind so that we get 'blown back' to the landing area. Or we 'land out' and hitch a ride back to the DZ. There's also a jump called a 'cross country'. The jumper goes well upwind, gets out and pulls immediately. You then 'ride the wind' all the way back. Ten miles is a long one, but not unknown for the right wind conditions. Again, that's with a square that has decent forward speed, but for Cooper to drift 4 or 5 miles (presuming he pulled right away) isn't unrealistic. Here is the current winds aloft forecast for Green Bay. There isn't much wind up on top today, but some days, you can se 30 or 40 mph at 6k or 9k. http://www.usairnet.com/cgi-bin/Winds/Aloft.cgi?location=GRB&Submit=Get+Forecast&hour=06&course=azimuth
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    DB Cooper

    Oops. No. I hadn't read all of it. I didn't realize how many more pages had been posted. I was responding to the pic a few pages back of the document with the pic of the packing data card below it. So I missed a few things when I posted. Sorry about that. One of the things I hadn't seen was where you realized that the FBI mixed up the S/N (226) with the DOM (9/57). I can't understand how the reports are reading that they found two Pioneer back rigs on the plane (and it says the NG left one there? For how long?). The doc posted directly above my last post claims that the 24' Steinthal was an integral part of this parachute. That makes absolutely no sense. They describe two canopies, but only one container. Modern sport gear is like that. My personal rig (parachute) has both my main and reserve canopies (square ones) in one 'backpack'. But gear back then was not like that. And these were 'bailout' emergency rigs, which even today are 'single canopy' types (often rounds). Something to remember is that, even today, the 'Harness/container' (backpack) and "canopy" (parachute) are separate components. Each has it's own manufacturer, serial number and date of manufacture. For example, I jump an Infinity H/C, made by Velocity sports. I also jump a 170 square foot Sabre2, made by Performance Designs as a main canopy. There are a few companies today that make both H/Cs and canopies (Aerodyne is one). But most places only make one. I don't see any evidence of two complete, intact back rigs being found. What I think I see is evidence that the FBI knew very little about parachutes or their terminology and made a bunch of mistakes on the reports. From the report before my post, it's possible that it was a Pioneer H/C, S/N 226, DOM 9/57;with a Steinthal canopy, S/N 60-9707, DOM 7/60. My PDC shows different mfgs, S/Ns & DOMs for the Infinity H/C and the Sabre2 canopy. Also, on the modified NB-8 and Cossey only modifying one rig of Hayden's. My guess would be that the rig was modified some time in the past, prior to Hayden purchasing it. He needed a couple bailout rigs, to grudgingly meet the FARs. So he got a couple. One was a civilian, unmodified Pioneer, the other was the Military NB-8 that had the 'outboard pull' mod. It wasn't that Cossey modded it when he sold it, it was that he sold a modded rig. Edit to add: JJG78 posted: Yes. There was an earlier thread that got locked because people got stupid. If you go back to the beginning of this one, you will see Quade (who was a moderator) posted 'keep it civil'. If you read down, there is a link to the original thread in the first or second page. There's a ton of info, most of the 'known details' in that first thread or the beginning of this one. Larry Carr was an FBI agent, specializing in bank robberies, in the Seattle FBI office. IIRC, he's now on the east coast somewhere. He posted under the name Ckret for some time. He provided a fair amount of info that the FBI had, although he admitted he couldn't post everything he knew (his basic answer was 'go ahead and ask. If I have the info and am allowed to release it I will').
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    DB Cooper

    I did read the documents you posted. They reference a "24 foot long" parachute. (factual error - It's diameter). They also reference the packing card. Which shows the 26' and DOM of 1957. I am going to guess (and it is just a guess) that they screwed up the report. They got a few minor details mixed up. Everything I've come across says the FBI delivered 4 parachutes to Cooper. NB-8 & Pioneer (both back type bailout rigs), the 'good' reserve and the Training Dummy reserve (both 'belly wart' type). They found one back rig (the Pioneer) and the 'good' reserve (which had been opened and had lines cut off) on the plane when it landed. So Cooper jumped with the NB-8 rig and did something with the TDR. He may have used lines or canopy fabric or the container... Or he may have just tossed the whole thing out the back. Or he may have just put it too close to the back stairs and it fell out at some point. I'm not sure how much I'm willing to believe or toss out what Cossey has said. Lots of skydivers and 'airplane types' have a great deal of disdain for the press. The overall level of accuracy in most news reports of aviation incidents and accidents is pretty poor. The level of sensationalism is usually pretty high. So you get reporters saying crap like 'He fell 10000 feet and survived the impact' for a simple skydiving accident which should read "He was fine until he screwed up the landing." It's pretty juvenile and stupid, but giving reporters bad info to make them look bad is not uncommon. (remember the names of the Asiana Airline pilots who overran the end of the runway in San Fran?) So for Cossey to 'yank the chain' of the reporters wouldn't necessarily make me discount what he says elsewhere. But the FBI data is pretty clear that Cossey didn't own the back rigs. Which is what I was led to believe from previous info. And (operating off of memory until the search function gets usable), the NB-8 had a modification that moved the ripcord location. As I noted earlier, I think it was an 'outboard' location. Standard placement is on the inside of the main lift web (vertical strap from hip to shoulder). The handle normally is placed so that it points inward, towards the sternum. This mod puts it on the outside of the MLW, pointing towards the arm. My understanding is that this was done to place it further from a nervous student. It would make it a bit more 'snag prone', but experienced jumpers and jump pilots know to protect their handles from snags and inadvertent pulls. Apparently this was a known mod for bailout rigs used by jump pilots. But Hayden wasn't that. Sooooo... Was the NB-8 Cossey's? Was it a jump pilot rig? Or was it a former jump pilot rig that was modified before Hayden got it (because he had to) and he didn't really care about where the handle was because he never planned on using it?