mr2mk1g 10 #1 August 27, 2003 Ok, tell me I'm trolling, but... I just ordered an Odyssey... I get an email back basically asking me if I'm sure I want to confirm the order as the wait time is 20 - 26 weeks. This would give me the rig in Jan/Feb of next year... Do I confirm the order (I really want an Odyssey) or change my mind and order a different rig with a quicker delivery time? If it makes a dif I'm ordering a J3 and putting in it a 190 or 170 (esp if I only get it in feb). edit: or should I just cancel and wait for one on the second hand market. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nicknitro71 0 #2 August 27, 2003 WingsMemento Audere Semper 903 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skygod7777 0 #3 August 27, 2003 QuoteI just ordered an Odyssey... I get an email back basically asking me if I'm sure I want to confirm the order as the wait time is 20 - 26 weeks. This would give me the rig in Jan/Feb of next year... Do I confirm the order (I really want an Odyssey) or change my mind and order a different rig with a quicker delivery time? that really depends on you. how bad do you really want an odyssey. there are lots of rigs out there, that are just as good as rigs (mirage, V3, wings,infinity just to name a few). if you like the pop top style exposed rigs, then i would go with a wings. i believe the current delievery time is like 6 weeks. or if you like the mirage, i heard they have pretty quick delivery times right now (like 4 to 6 weeks, but i could be wong). V3's, i'm not sure what the deliever time on those are, and the same with the infinity. but any of the rigs i named you would be very happy with. and the mirage (if you get a G4.1) and wings have the option of a cut in laterals like the odyssey. i'm not going to push you one way or another, you need to get what you want. i'm just putting some rigs out there that would be good rigs, and there are more out there that i have left out for no reason other than i don't feel like typing any more later Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Remster 24 #4 August 27, 2003 Quoteand the mirage (if you get a G4.1) and wings have the option of a cut in laterals like the odyssey. I think the Talon and other rigs now offer that option (Talon sticks in my mind coz I just saw their ad in Skydiving this AM).Remster Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skygod7777 0 #5 August 27, 2003 QuoteI think the Talon and other rigs now offer that option (Talon sticks in my mind coz I just saw their ad in Skydiving this AM). your right, the talon fs, and voodoo now have that option. it isn't cut in near as much as the other rigs, but it still is. and again, both of thoses rigs you would be very happy with. later Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skybytch 259 #6 August 27, 2003 How bad do you want an Odyssey? Bad enough to wait until February? Only you can answer that question. Personally, I can't think of anything I want bad enough to wait 6 months for. Quoteor should I just cancel and wait for one on the second hand market. A J3? Good luck, answer every ad quickly, cuz those are a pretty hot item used. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
webracer 0 #7 August 27, 2003 That's pretty much up to you, but I have decided not to buy a new Odyssey (I have an Odyssey NJ and a Mirage G3 w/ Unisyn) because of the wait times, price increase (that is unreasonable), and Sunpaths general attitude (my opinion obviously), being the biggest seller of sport rigs, and quite full of themselves, I am not ordering a new Odyssey. Don't get me wrong, the Odyssey is a fantastic rig, but Sunpath is acting kinda like Harley Davidson these days. I don't know what I will order, probably a G4. I like both my rigs the same, but size-for-size, the Mirage is heavier (with double wall construction and other extra padding). I would have ordered another Odyssey if I felt Sunpath deserved the business. TroyTroy I am now free to exercise my downward mobility. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mr2mk1g 10 #8 August 27, 2003 I just dont know if I like the idea of slapping a rig on credit card that I have to pay off BEFORE I get the damn rig - something just not quite right. I'm seriously looking at the wings now - lots of good reviews and a tad cheeper. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Remster 24 #9 August 27, 2003 Have a look at a local Wings to see what its like... I know Skreamer has one (you'll have to make abstaction of his profuse use of the awfull burgundy color to make a non-biased judgement of it though... )Remster Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
slotperfect 7 #10 August 27, 2003 If it were me, and the Odyssey is what I really wanted, I would wait for it. Arrive Safely John Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skytash 0 #11 August 27, 2003 obviously everyone has a different level of patience, but I ordered my Odyssey a while back knowing it had a long wait as I knew I was going to Z-Hills in November and could pick it up myself when I was there and avoid shipping costs I've only ever owned Javelins but that doesn't mean I didn't consider other rigs including all those mentioned above. It is one of those things no-one can help you with - you just have to decide whether you have the patience! tashDon't ever save anything for a special occasion. Being alive is a special occasion. Avril Sloe Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hazarrd 1 #12 August 27, 2003 Just wait, you'll have it at the beginning of next season. .-. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
scottjaco 0 #13 August 27, 2003 I don't understand why Javlin doesn't hire additional staff? I mean 6 months of waiting! that is insane! They are shooting themselves in the foot! I'd get a Wings if I were you.....cheaper, faster, just as good! scott Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
johnny1488 1 #14 August 27, 2003 They are putting out 50 rigs a week. Thats with a lot of staff and a lot of work. I ordered my odyssey and got a date of december. I dont want any other rig so I'll wait for the one I want. Plus I knew I wanted one so I ordered it earlier than I needed it, Johnny --"This ain't no book club, we're all gonna die!" Mike Rome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jimbo 0 #15 August 27, 2003 QuoteDo I confirm the order (I really want an Odyssey) or change my mind and order a different rig with a quicker delivery time? Change your order, let this manufacturer know that it is unacceptable to keep customers waiting half a year for a new rig! There are other rigs out there, Wings and Infinity both have significantly shorter wait times as well as a reduced price tag so you'll have more money for jumps. - Jim"Like" - The modern day comma Good bye, my friends. You are missed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hooknswoop 19 #16 August 27, 2003 QuoteI don't understand why Javelin doesn't hire additional staff? Just my theory, but they have fluctuations in orders. When they are slow, they can get them out fast, when they are busy, they get backed up. If they hire more staff when they are busy, then they will either be paying people to do nothing when they are slow, have to fire the extra staff, or increase the cost of their rigs (a lot) to pay people to do nothing when it is slow. Same way at a DZ, they could have enough full-time staff that there is zero waiting on their busiest day, but then there isn't enough work for the staff the other 364 days. I would just accept the delivery time and wait. Derek Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
imdskydiver 0 #17 August 28, 2003 Just my theory, but they have fluctuations in orders. When they are slow, they can get them out fast, when they are busy, they get backed up. If they hire more staff when they are busy, then they will either be paying people to do nothing when they are slow, have to fire the extra staff, or increase the cost of their rigs (a lot) to pay people to do nothing when it is slowQuote For every customer that is unhappy waiting 26 weeks they loose another potential customer and their competition gains another one . Hire more people and increase market share ! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites pilotdave 0 #18 August 28, 2003 I demoed a javelin odyssey last weekend. The sunpath guy told me they did hire more people and they are changing their production to try to bring down the delivery time. But they are giving worst case scenario numbers so nobody can complain. It MIGHT not take quite so long (still long though). He said they recently got some very large sport orders from dealers which is the cause of the long waits. Dave Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skybytch 259 #19 August 28, 2003 QuoteHire more people and increase market share ! I'm sure there are loads of unemployed people qualified to sew harness/containers out there... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites masher 1 #20 August 28, 2003 What qualifications do you need? Master rigger?-- Arching is overrated - Marlies Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites PhreeZone 15 #21 August 28, 2003 >Hire more people and increase market share ! Sunpath used to have the majority of the marketshare. They have been losing ground but not by much recently. Look at any bigway pic and at least half the jumpers usually have Jav's on. They used to market a lot mroe then they are now too...Yesterday is history And tomorrow is a mystery Parachutemanuals.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mikkey 0 #22 August 28, 2003 Quote>Hire more people and increase market share ! Sunpath used to have the majority of the marketshare. They have been losing ground but not by much recently. Look at any bigway pic and at least half the jumpers usually have Jav's on. They used to market a lot mroe then they are now too... "Fat Cat Syndrome" ? - happens often to market leaders. They get complacent and things turn bad very quickly after that...--------------------------------------------------------- When people look like ants - pull. When ants look like people - pray. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Chrisky 0 #23 August 28, 2003 Just asked myself that same question. Jumping on rental gear for that waiting time can afford the higher price and faster delivery of a Mirage. STILL from what i got answers on the "recommendations for a freefly container" thread (dont have the link right here, should be liek one page down), is that they recommend a Wings. The Wings has cut-in laterals as an option too now, and i'll be getting one. Delivery time w/ rush order is 3weeks production plus custom shipping time. Rig will be up $100 by september 1st. Mirage delivery is 4 weeks, w/ tie-dye 6 weeks. These times are company info i got via email early this week cause i asked. I'm not completely there yet, but i guess i'll get a Wings, its 500$ less than the Mirage with all the same options and rush order. Btw, don't get in the waz of my rush order! The mind is like a parachute - it only works once it's open. From the edge you just see more. ... Not every Swooper hooks & not every Hooker swoops ... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skytash 0 #24 August 28, 2003 QuoteWhat qualifications do you need? Master rigger? I believe so. I'd rather wait for a rig than them hiring people like me (I'm not a master rigger but can sew) to build a life saving device that might fail only because I don't have the full skill set! tashDon't ever save anything for a special occasion. Being alive is a special occasion. Avril Sloe Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jmidgley 0 #25 August 28, 2003 This is what I *did*: I bought a Teardrop Superfly from TSE, having played endlessly with colours on their rig designer (on their website), and having terminally bored them with questions. The rig arrived 3 weeks later, exactly when they said it would. It fits, it's neatly made, and so far I've 'saved' about 450 quid that I would have spent hiring shitty, ill-fitting rigs, waiting for an Odyssey. As near as I can tell, with my limited experience, there are no 'death rigs' being made now. Try and find a bad review of a container by someone who owns it. There are small individual design details that proponents of one system can debate with proponents of another, but they all appear to work. Someone else around here pointed out that when a fellow skydiver criticises a container (or main, or whatever), they can usually be silenced by asking 'how many jumps do you have on xxxx?'. But hey, we must all ride our own ride... Regards John Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 Next Page 1 of 2 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. 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pilotdave 0 #18 August 28, 2003 I demoed a javelin odyssey last weekend. The sunpath guy told me they did hire more people and they are changing their production to try to bring down the delivery time. But they are giving worst case scenario numbers so nobody can complain. It MIGHT not take quite so long (still long though). He said they recently got some very large sport orders from dealers which is the cause of the long waits. Dave Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skybytch 259 #19 August 28, 2003 QuoteHire more people and increase market share ! I'm sure there are loads of unemployed people qualified to sew harness/containers out there... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
masher 1 #20 August 28, 2003 What qualifications do you need? Master rigger?-- Arching is overrated - Marlies Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhreeZone 15 #21 August 28, 2003 >Hire more people and increase market share ! Sunpath used to have the majority of the marketshare. They have been losing ground but not by much recently. Look at any bigway pic and at least half the jumpers usually have Jav's on. They used to market a lot mroe then they are now too...Yesterday is history And tomorrow is a mystery Parachutemanuals.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mikkey 0 #22 August 28, 2003 Quote>Hire more people and increase market share ! Sunpath used to have the majority of the marketshare. They have been losing ground but not by much recently. Look at any bigway pic and at least half the jumpers usually have Jav's on. They used to market a lot mroe then they are now too... "Fat Cat Syndrome" ? - happens often to market leaders. They get complacent and things turn bad very quickly after that...--------------------------------------------------------- When people look like ants - pull. When ants look like people - pray. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Chrisky 0 #23 August 28, 2003 Just asked myself that same question. Jumping on rental gear for that waiting time can afford the higher price and faster delivery of a Mirage. STILL from what i got answers on the "recommendations for a freefly container" thread (dont have the link right here, should be liek one page down), is that they recommend a Wings. The Wings has cut-in laterals as an option too now, and i'll be getting one. Delivery time w/ rush order is 3weeks production plus custom shipping time. Rig will be up $100 by september 1st. Mirage delivery is 4 weeks, w/ tie-dye 6 weeks. These times are company info i got via email early this week cause i asked. I'm not completely there yet, but i guess i'll get a Wings, its 500$ less than the Mirage with all the same options and rush order. Btw, don't get in the waz of my rush order! The mind is like a parachute - it only works once it's open. From the edge you just see more. ... Not every Swooper hooks & not every Hooker swoops ... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skytash 0 #24 August 28, 2003 QuoteWhat qualifications do you need? Master rigger? I believe so. I'd rather wait for a rig than them hiring people like me (I'm not a master rigger but can sew) to build a life saving device that might fail only because I don't have the full skill set! tashDon't ever save anything for a special occasion. Being alive is a special occasion. Avril Sloe Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jmidgley 0 #25 August 28, 2003 This is what I *did*: I bought a Teardrop Superfly from TSE, having played endlessly with colours on their rig designer (on their website), and having terminally bored them with questions. The rig arrived 3 weeks later, exactly when they said it would. It fits, it's neatly made, and so far I've 'saved' about 450 quid that I would have spent hiring shitty, ill-fitting rigs, waiting for an Odyssey. As near as I can tell, with my limited experience, there are no 'death rigs' being made now. Try and find a bad review of a container by someone who owns it. There are small individual design details that proponents of one system can debate with proponents of another, but they all appear to work. Someone else around here pointed out that when a fellow skydiver criticises a container (or main, or whatever), they can usually be silenced by asking 'how many jumps do you have on xxxx?'. But hey, we must all ride our own ride... Regards John Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
