DB Cooper

[FLYJACK 462]

12 minutes ago, olemisscub said:

We know precisely what Gregory was seeing in Cooper that made him think NA ancestry. It was high cheekbones and broad forehead. In the 302's we have him cutting pictures out of National Geographic magazine and sending them into the FBI highlighting those characteristics. 

Not exactly, it was also the hair and the complexion.. overall appearance.

[Jay Ritchie 1]

15 minutes ago, olemisscub said:

We know precisely what Gregory was seeing in Cooper that made him think NA ancestry. It was high cheekbones and broad forehead. In the 302's we have him cutting pictures out of National Geographic magazine and sending them into the FBI highlighting those characteristics. 

Are there features which would be pretty firm indicators of a NA ancestry (say - one grandparent) as opposed to some Siberian/ Mongolian/ Japanese ancestry?

[FLYJACK 462]

2 minutes ago, Jay Ritchie said:

Are there features which would be pretty firm indicators of a NA ancestry (say - one grandparent) as opposed to some Siberian/ Mongolian/ Japanese ancestry?

Gregory said 1/4 Mexican or possibly Native American blood.. that is virtually the same as Latin (Latino)

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[Jay Ritchie 1]

Just now, FLYJACK said:

Gregory said 1/4 Mexican or possibly Native American blood..

I presumed when he said '1/4 Mexican' he was indicating native American background? 

[olemisscub 172]

10 minutes ago, Jay Ritchie said:

Are there features which would be pretty firm indicators of a NA ancestry (say - one grandparent) as opposed to some Siberian/ Mongolian/ Japanese ancestry?

No they aren't features that are exclusive to any ethnicity. He just saw a swarthy/olive skinned man with those features and made a reasonable assumption. 

[FLYJACK 462]

12 minutes ago, Jay Ritchie said:

I presumed when he said '1/4 Mexican' he was indicating native American background? 

He meant either,, not one specifically.

[olemisscub 172]

12 minutes ago, Jay Ritchie said:

I presumed when he said '1/4 Mexican' he was indicating native American background? 

I've not see anything about Gregory specifying "1/4" of anything. Maybe he did, but I've only ever seen him refer to Cooper as possibly having some ancestry with those ethnicities. 

[CooperNWO305 96]

Some comments. Someone born in 1920 is a lot less likely to have mixed heritage than someone born in the 40s to today. The Native American piece is interesting, in that I can’t think of a time when I confused a Native American for someone Latin. The eyes are what get me though for NA, the dark brown eyes. Remember, people from Latin America are heavily descended from the Spanish and Portuguese. Columbus was Italian.  There is an FBI document that suggests possibly Italian, Catholic too. 
 

I don’t know how we can dismiss Gregory. I also wonder why Mitchell did not see dark or olive. However, enough people did. 
 

Swarthy for me conjures up memories of my friend’s Greek or Italian fathers. I’m from the Northeast, which is very mixed in terms of Europeans. 
 

If I was looking for Cooper, I would not be looking in Scandinavia or in Ireland/Scotland. This I’ve said long before Vordahl and Vince Peterson. I’ve visited Scandinavia many times, and frankly you see pale and light hair and skin. There are always outliers, yes, but the majority of people up there would not pass for Cooper. We went through this all with Sheridan. 
 

I might buy Finnish, but then I’d expect to see some distinct Finnish features, which I don’t. The Finns I’ve known have been mostly light, but darker than Scandinavians. 
 

The sketch does not say NA to me at all. It was and is a small group of people who didn’t really marry outside of their own at that point. But one witness did say it. 
 

Cooper may be a blonde hair Dane, but my guess is we are looking for someone of Eastern/Southern/Western European descent. Not Northern Germany. I’d start on the Mediterranean Sea and work around that. 
 

I study a lot of genealogy. Many ethnic groups in Europe came to the U.S., not from Italy to Norway or from Spain to Ireland. 

This was one of the main issues with Sheridan. The witnesses said olive, swarthy, Latin, Native American. Medium. Smooth. Dark. Etc. When we are dealing with this, color pictures are preferable. Hard to get, but necessary. High quality black and white maybe. 

Edited November 26, 2022 by CooperNWO305

[Slim King 29]

6 hours ago, CooperNWO305 said:

Slim King: Do you have Reca’s military records? Official records?

I believe that Walter Peca/Reca's niece has all the information. She often shares the evidence on the net. Why would anyone give me the original records? There quite a bit of important documentation on the Facebook page. Here's an example.

[Slim King 29]

5 hours ago, Jay Ritchie said:

Interesting photo - do you know what Peca's ancestry was?

I have wondered about the different backgrounds of people who may be seen as a standard/ swarthy white guy by some, and as having some native American ancestry by others. For the last couple of months each time I've been into a cafe (many of which are Turkish or Kurdish in my area, plus some Bulgarian) I've wondered about how some of the staff might have been described by people from different areas.

Lisa Story was interviewed on the Cooper Vortex podcast. I think she lays it all out there. Vern Jone's interview may also add information on Pec/Reca ... The latest on the Vortex. I do know he was raised speaking Russian, Polish and English.

Edited November 26, 2022 by Slim King

[olemisscub 172]

15 minutes ago, CooperNWO305 said:

I’ve visited Scandinavia many times, and frankly you see pale and light hair and skin. There are always outliers, yes, but the majority of people up there would not pass for Cooper. 
 

https://www.beautyanswered.com/what-are-the-characteristics-of-dark-olive-skin.htm

"People of Mediterranean origin, who are from Italy, Spain, or Turkey, often have olive skin tones. Scandinavian countries like Finland and Norway also produce olive skin, as do Native Americans, Latinos, and some African Americans."

Edited November 26, 2022 by olemisscub

[olemisscub 172]

16 minutes ago, CooperNWO305 said:

I don’t know how we can dismiss Gregory. I also wonder why Mitchell did not see dark or olive. However, enough people did. 
 

Mitchell did say, in critiquing the "Hoodlum" sketch that it needed to be changed to "reflect a man with a slighter darker complexion"

[Nicholas Broughton 33]

The FBI speculates Italian descent here on top Indian and Mexican. 

[Slim King 29]

5 hours ago, Math of Insects said:

So I think what you're saying, and correct me if I'm way off-base here, but I think you might be hinting that you think Walter Reca was DB Cooper. Am I right or is that crazy talk?

I have A CHECK LIST ... He gets more checks than anyone else so far.  His service in Para-Rescue is quite impressive. I wonder why the best skydiver in Washington was never even interviewed by the FBI or anyone else? (On the record) And he looks a lot like the very first sketch. But I have an open mind if you have a better suspect. 

[FLYJACK 462]

2 minutes ago, Slim King said:

I have A CHECK LIST ... He gets more checks than anyone else so far.  His service in Para-Rescue is quite impressive. I wonder why the best skydiver in Washington was never even interviewed by the FBI or anyone else? (On the record) And he looks a lot like the very first sketch. But I have an open mind if you have a better suspect. 

Unfortunately the checks are on negative side of the ledger,,,

Did you mark down the ability to drift 100 miles under canopy in a strong wind...

[olemisscub 172]

4 minutes ago, Slim King said:

I have A CHECK LIST ... He gets more checks than anyone else so far.  His service in Para-Rescue is quite impressive. I wonder why the best skydiver in Washington was never even interviewed by the FBI or anyone else? (On the record) And he looks a lot like the very first sketch. But I have an open mind if you have a better suspect. 

I guess I'll be the one to tell you that the first sketch is not in any way a legitimate Cooper sketch. It was not drawn with the cooperation of any eyewitnesses assisting the sketch artist. It was a template sketch created solely via witness descriptions that the artist read via fax i.e. "black hair, 45 years old, sunglasses, medium build". It's a template that the sketch artist used for making adjustments. The Reca camp can't even get that basic fact right. 

Claiming a victory because the generic template sketch looks like your Cooper suspect is not quite as goofy as claiming that your Cooper suspect landed 100 miles away from the suspected drop zone, but it's close. 

[CooperNWO305 96]

34 minutes ago, Slim King said:

I believe that Walter Peca/Reca's niece has all the information. She often shares the evidence on the net. Why would anyone give me the original records? There quite a bit of important documentation on the Facebook page. Here's an example.

I’ve looked all those places. This picture tells me very little, and I know what to look for. On his grave the word Veteran is misspelled. Do you have someone with military service who has reviewed his files? I’m not asking for the actual originals. The Army keeps those. Copies. 

[olemisscub 172]

I can't find Reca/Peca anywhere on Fold3.com. I suspect he was in the military for a minute and got discharged for something. He was ashamed of this and made up an entire life of lies to compensate. 

This is NOT a Veteran's Headstone. Much like his sloppy fake KGB ID, his fake headstone is rife with mistakes.

 

[Slim King 29]

6 minutes ago, olemisscub said:

I can't find Reca/Peca anywhere on Fold3.com. I suspect he was in the military for a minute and got discharged for something. He was ashamed of this and made up an entire life of lies to compensate. 

This is NOT a Veteran's Headstone. Much like his sloppy fake KGB ID, his fake headstone is rife with mistakes.

 

So you think it's a fake headstone? I'd like to get my money back for a misspelling for eternity. I've never thought the KGB ID was real.  Walter had many fake ID's with various names. He also had many articles in the newspaper for real.

[olemisscub 172]

Just now, Slim King said:

So you think it's a fake headstone? I'd like to get my money back for a misspelling for eternity. I've never thought the KGB ID was real.  Walter had many fake ID's with various names. He also had many articles in the newspaper for real.

 

No one has ever denied he was a skydiver. 

[Andrade1812 25]

13 minutes ago, olemisscub said:

I can't find Reca/Peca anywhere on Fold3.com. I suspect he was in the military for a minute and got discharged for something. He was ashamed of this and made up an entire life of lies to compensate. 

This is NOT a Veteran's Headstone. Much like his sloppy fake KGB ID, his fake headstone is rife with mistakes.

 

The marker looks like something purchased ahead of time, and would not be from the military.

However, I can tell you it took almost 9 months to get the required documents for my mother's marker. She didn't keep any of her documents and it took several interventions from some friends still in the military to finally get her discharge papers.

 

 

[Slim King 29]

3 minutes ago, olemisscub said:

No one has ever denied he was a skydiver. 

You just claimed he wasn't in the military. I'd love to see some proof. Maybe I've been hoodwinked. Please.... Show me the proof.

[olemisscub 172]

17 minutes ago, Slim King said:

You just claimed he wasn't in the military. I'd love to see some proof. Maybe I've been hoodwinked. Please.... Show me the proof.

I said I suspected he "was in the military for a minute".

I stand by that considering that the only pics you keep showing are pics of him that look like he's at Jump School but has yet to receive his wings. 

[Andrade1812 25]

I didn't buy any of the Reca books, did they not share any of his military records in them? That'd be an odd thing to leave out of a criminal biography.

[Andrade1812 25]

4 minutes ago, olemisscub said:

I said I suspected he "was in the military for a minute".

I stand by that considering that the only pics you keep showing are pics of him that look like he's at Jump School but has yet to receive his wings. 

He's wearing a patch for the 11th airborne division in these pictures.