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  1. There is no winds aloft data at the Placard find location/time or anywhere close. Tom Kaye's data is too far from the Placard location. FBI data is also very far from the placard location (Portland and Salem) and averaged over an hour (8-9). It was an estimate for Woodland. The wind data used for the drift calculation is a meaningless assumption. Winds aloft are important, using data from far away locations makes the drift calculation meaningless and amateur. Without accurate wind data at the placard location any drift analysis is worthless and invalid.
  2. I found 727-100 safety cards for Northwest, Piedmont and Keyair.. the airlines that flew the NORJAK plane. None of them had the optional emergency release - "pull red handle". Either NORJAK never had it or it was removed.
  3. It isn't that simple. There are 3 lights for the aft airstairs.. Red Light - at the aft stair control lever, interior and exterior. The cockpit engineer's panel has only two lights.. Amber Light - aft stairs are not locked up and control handle is not in up position. Green Light - aft stairs are down and locked That means the light that came on in the cockpit was the Amber one which DOES NOT confirm the aft stairs were open/moved, only that the lever was moved from the up detent position. Light indicated "unlatched" not red, it was amber. Tina noted the red light, it wasn't red but amber. Amber can be mistaken for faded red. There is no red aft airstair light in the cockpit. The timing of the light "going on" doesn't make sense.. Crew saw light at 7:42 and Tina saw light come on about 8PM. If they are both accurate,, THEN.. (about 7:42) Cooper pushed the handle out from the up detent (light goes on) and didn't move it all the way to the down detent (stairs don't move) causing the stairs to not drop at all.. Cooper was struggling with the stairs. He moved the handle back to the up detent and the light goes out. He then tries the handle again and moves it all the way to the down detent, the light comes back on and stairs drop to partially open. (about 8PM) Tina sees the light come back on. If this is what happened the stairs did not lower/open (partially) till about 8PM.
  4. There are 14 bills here,, Eric missed the partial bills,
  5. Remember, the 727-100 and 727-200 had different systems and were changed/modified after NORJAK.. They weren't all the same. This makes it more complicated to sort..
  6. Boeing 727 Operating Manual Aft Airstairs (Ventral) H - 1.93 (6 ft 4 in) W - 0.81 m (2 ft 8 in) Approximate force required to move door control handle from closed/locked position to open position: 10 kg (22 lbs). Door and Control Handle - 100 Series Control Handle has button on top of handle used in conjunction with handle to electrically raise/lower stair assembly. Emergency Use (100 series) - inside stairway. Remove emergency access covers; pull sharply on release handle (inward). Action will cause uplocks to be sheared and forcibly extend stairs extensive damage will be caused to system). .................. Uplocks damaged using emergency system. Norjak has not even been confirmed to have the optional system. Evidence indicates emergency system not used.
  7. Ok, I think I got it.. that wasn't the light he is referring to. It is the cabin pressure rate of change gauge. That makes more sense as the stair light is activated by the lever position.
  8. San Francisco Examiner.. https://www.newspapers.com/newspage/461838093/ Not there.. There are 3 airstair lights in the cockpit and the light comes on when the lever is moved from the "up" detent.. it doesn't make sense for it to go off then on when the stairs rebound.. Could be newspaper vague language or more than one of the lights was noted by the crew. I'll keep looking.
  9. Robert, You have said the airstair light flashed.. Where is that info from?
  10. The early 727-100's had a button on top of the airstair lever. The unlock light came on when the lever was moved from its detent, not when the stairs actually dropped. Another light came on when the lever was in the down detent. Tina was in the cockpit for the 7:42 light, she said a red light, it is actually amber but close enough. The crew indicated around 8:00 Cooper got the stairs down. They refer to a light indicating stairs lowered... It may be, and this is speculation, that there were two different lights noted. The first light may have been the movement of the lever out of the detent, but not the lowering of the stairs.. if Cooper did not push the button he may may not have been able to get the lever to the full open detent. That may be where Cooper struggled. We need to know more about the precise real world operation of the stair lever and the lights.
  11. Hicks placard close up.. Does this look like it was in the woods for seven years? no dirt, no stains, edges are crisp.. It looks "fresh"..
  12. The FBI questioned an expert and the drift could have been two to three thousand feet to 5 miles.. depending on chute deployment. Heisson store is 4.5 miles from the flight path between the 8:12 and 8:13 mark.
  13. The airstair light comes on when the lever is moved from the detent position, not when the stairs actually move.. If Cooper moved the lever from its detent but didn't push the button the stairs would not have lowered.. and light would have come on. This suggest that Cooper got the stairs down about 8PM. That would reconcile a light on at 7:42 and this document. I noticed the interior ceiling panel is hanging down in this image. That might have been a result of the plane search but ?? ceiling panel from another 727
  14. Cooper opened the stairs at 8 PM,,, that was after the plane passed Cinebar. Shutter corrected me, first light noted on at 7:42 The 727 has an airstairs unlocked light, we don't know what the door opening was. IMPORTANT- A RED LIGHT INDICATES AIRSTAIRS OPEN BUT NOT LOCKED UP OR DOWN. AN AMBER LIGHT INDICATES AIRSTAIR LEVER IN RAISING POSITION. A GREEN LIGHT INDICATED DOWN AND LOCKED Here are docs about the damage to the plane. They had the damage reports. "Minor damage to panels" The side skirts NOTE, There was no damage reported for the activation of the "emergency release".. it wasn't pulled.
  15. The ventral stairs fully opened via gravity (weight)... not hydraulics. The wind kept them from fully opening. I found the doc..