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QuoteHoly Cow! Mrshutt….. Captain Mrshutter45, that is magnificently spooky.
What a great set-up and superb attention to detail where every expectation is exceeded. Was there some trim wheel clatter in there as well (sound effects)? Could it be that detailed?
I’m just floored at what you and the crew have managed to cobble together without government mandate or profit motive. The overhead ‘console’ is a nice touch too. What a huge effort, or at least I’m assuming that judging the output.
Sierra Hotel Shutter.
Thanks, yes while I was over the Lake Merwin area the auto pilot was on and it will adjust the trim as needed. the plane is
fully functional with all the bells and whistles attached. alarms will sound if the proper procedure is not taken place
at the point of hitting the throttle. it has been a wild ride learning how to turn over the engines and hit the sky
"It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI
QuoteQuoteMaybe, if he was heading north?
But, if he was heading south things to his right, would be west of the flight path.
Of course to my right could be any where from the 1 o'clock to 5 o'clock position, bur more than likely in the 2 to 3 o'clock positions. Once the location is a beam, it is pretty much behind you.
Matt
I think she was implying the path was further west like Knoss claims, if they are flying south and looked out the right side of the plane and see Vancouver and Portland, they are way east,way east. Rataczak could have been talking about being at Battleground and saying he see's Portland out the right side if he was referring to PDX, that would be correct.
I just looked, flying on V23 to Battleground would put PDX just to the right
I have SAID the plane was EAST of PORTLAND but West of Cames! I have AWAYS said EAST of Portland and this comes from the witness reports (I have personally spoke to some of those who were still living in the last few yrs).
Sure the plane could have made a turn which it did. The witness reports put the plane between Lake Merwin and Yale Dam. Going South there were reports around Kelly Rd (4 individuals in one place). You do know that is a stone's Throw from where Duane took me to the old store in Heisson.
Early on I had been known to mention Hockinson (but after I went to WA on my own in 2010 and drove the area myself I found Heisson and realized my memory did NOT compensate for Time and Space in my memory logs. After going to Hockinson - I knew that was NOT the place Duane took me, but the moment I got to Heisson it was like some drove truck into me. My memory condensed things and I was looking at an old map and living in FL.
In 1996 I did NOT have a map of the area - just my memory.
I figured it was Hockinson after someone threw names at me on the phone. I did not realize Duane had taken me further north - time and space in my memory. I had the correct memory of the place but not the correct name - they both started with H.
I knew I had been there and I had been in that store. It had NOT changed.
As for Kelly Rd I did not understand if the sound of the plane was E or W of their location. and then on down to the Orhards area....the reports do go Westwardly, but I could not locate all of the name I had...as I was running out of time - my booking to leave was the next day.
Duane took me to Meadow Glade where the VOR is and then we went toward but not to Homan. I keep going to Homan in my memory and do not understand why - WHAT was the significance of Homan - he mentioned a vehicle breaking down in Homan.. Now looking at the map that was sent to me in 2010 and one I bought - I see why! The RAIL line goes thru HOMAN - did NOT know this until this moment!
We go back to the East and then down to the Scholls airport and Orchards area this is when he gets BACK on the 500 and goes East for a short distance and then we turn around head West on 500. I knew I was missing something, but talking to Sluggo I did stated to 500 from there the Homan area, but I see that is NOT what we did. We flipped back to the area of the Scholls airport but do NOT know how -
There are a lot of loopys and exchanges on this map that were NOT there in 1979 so that makes it difficult.
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QuoteThanks, yes while I was over the Lake Merwin area the auto pilot was on and it will adjust the trim as needed. the plane is
fully functional with all the bells and whistles attached. alarms will sound if the proper procedure is not taken place
at the point of hitting the throttle. it has been a wild ride learning how to turn over the engines and hit the sky
Too cool. I had faith that someone would eventually take the simulation project on. Looking good!
eta: I had to go here to see what Farflung was talking about re Sierra hotel....and I agree...
http://www.tailhook.org/AVSLANG.htm
but....A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on.....Winston Churchill
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QuoteWay to go smokin99.
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But enough about my failure, what sort of dredge is in that fourth photo, with a chain of barges (?) trailing? I know, it’s a faked photo just like the one of the Apollo moon landings. Please can we get back to something about Cooper?
That is the flotation that supports the HUGE pipe.. NOT barges that are used for the clamshell type dredges. They support the outflow pipe all the way to where the spoils are directed, usually into the catchment area that is being filled.
Hopper dredges such as the USACE Essyons indeed still working the channel of the Columbia.. day in and day out
They also bring in a couple contract hopper dredges every year or two to work the Columbia River Bar.
QuoteHoly Cow! Mrshutt….. Captain Mrshutter45, that is magnificently spooky.
What a great set-up and superb attention to detail where every expectation is exceeded. Was there some trim wheel clatter in there as well (sound effects)? Could it be that detailed?
I’m just floored at what you and the crew have managed to cobble together without government mandate or profit motive. The overhead ‘console’ is a nice touch too. What a huge effort, or at least I’m assuming that judging the output.
Sierra Hotel Shutter.
Wish I was able to see all this stuff you guys do - but, I just have old dial-up!
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mrshutter45 21
I can send you a disk if you wish Jo?
"It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI
mrshutter45 21
QuoteQuoteThanks, yes while I was over the Lake Merwin area the auto pilot was on and it will adjust the trim as needed. the plane is
fully functional with all the bells and whistles attached. alarms will sound if the proper procedure is not taken place
at the point of hitting the throttle. it has been a wild ride learning how to turn over the engines and hit the sky
Too cool. I had faith that someone would eventually take the simulation project on. Looking good!
eta: I had to go here to see what Farflung was talking about re Sierra hotel....and I agree...
http://www.tailhook.org/AVSLANG.htm
thanks 99, who knows what we will uncover or find, if anything? it sure is fun to find out! a lot of the forward progress is due to
Hominid laying out the programs to run with the testing. when I first thought of it I had no idea how involved it would wind up being.
I'm enjoying every dime spent on it I'll tell you that much, I've learned tons of info about the 727 and tons of info thru Hominid, roger
"It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI
georger 197
QuoteThis is probably old news but looks like Galen Cook has been busy with some investigatin so I guess we can still look forward to his book....
http://voices.yahoo.com/db-cooper-suspect-named-william-pratt-gossett-1518669.html
See update under "Tina Bar Investigation"
Basically PER THE SITE, the money arrived in 1979 and not by river current, he knows how it decomposed, and why the person got rid of the money. Course he's under a non-disclosure until his scientist does his paper....
He also addresses Gossett's whereabouts Thanksgiving, 1971. Not sure, but that part might be old news.
Stay tuned.
Robert99 37
QuoteQuoteQuoteThanks, yes while I was over the Lake Merwin area the auto pilot was on and it will adjust the trim as needed. the plane is
fully functional with all the bells and whistles attached. alarms will sound if the proper procedure is not taken place
at the point of hitting the throttle. it has been a wild ride learning how to turn over the engines and hit the sky
Too cool. I had faith that someone would eventually take the simulation project on. Looking good!
eta: I had to go here to see what Farflung was talking about re Sierra hotel....and I agree...
http://www.tailhook.org/AVSLANG.htm
thanks 99, who knows what we will uncover or find, if anything? it sure is fun to find out! a lot of the forward progress is due to
Hominid laying out the programs to run with the testing. when I first thought of it I had no idea how involved it would wind up being.
I'm enjoying every dime spent on it I'll tell you that much, I've learned tons of info about the 727 and tons of info thru Hominid, roger
Mrshutter, that is a beautiful and realistic video.
The fact that the rear stairs were down caused the flight crew to have some difficulties with the aircraft both in climbing and in descending.
Comments about the climbing are in the Seattle ATC radio transcripts as the airliner was trying to reach 7000 feet and then on up to 10,000 feet. During level flight at 10,000 feet, these problems were not as pronounced.
After being handed off to the Oakland ATC controller, the controller specifically asked them about their turn rate and descent capability. Some of these remarks are at about 10:15 PM PST in the Oakland transcrips.
Initially, the Oakland Center apparently was informed of these reduced capabilities by phone by someone in Seattle (probably Al Lee).
Anyway the flight crew said that they could not do a standard rate turn (2 minutes for 360 degrees of turn, or 3 degrees per second). Also, they asked for a descent rate of between 3 and 5 hundred feet per minute.
And a really long final into Reno. Despite that, they had to break off their approach and circle to try it again.
Robert99
I wanted to add something to the post about Tena's bar.
When you have a river and trees - the shore line will change on its own. There were trees along that river bank in the area of the find. Was the money find in the open or beneath the canopy of trees.
Does that mean anything to you computer geeks and geologist and professors? ANYTHING at all?
1. 1979 there is a building beneath the tree lines toward the gate. Don't take my word ask the Fazio's when the shed came down - a flood I believe is the answer you will get. Where was the money find in relationship to the shed? Ask and you will get an answer.
2. Are any of you familar with trees and the root systems?
In 2000 some of the trees where gone and it was more barren than I remembered on the Western side. Some remained in the area the money was found. I am having a hard time remember the 2000 visit because of all of the commotion.
If anyone can find a picture of the area around 1979 and another one of the area around 2000 - I would appreciate it. Bet the Fazio's have some pics. Just for the sake of it we need one from 1971 - but, it will not be relevant. Perhaps things grow differently there than they do in the South.
What I remember seeing in 2000
was the trees up river toward the (East) was the roots being gnarily and above the ground. Not like the trees on Fazio's property. The big Floods - there were 2 or 3 of those (dates please). 1971 to 2000 - ALL of them!
The trees should tell a story - they always do because they live longer than we do.
I have NO IDEA WHY I am even doing this - it MIGHT be counter productive if I was trying to prove Weber was Cooper - I just want answers!
I would like to see pictures from 2000, 1979 and 1971. List all flood dates that would have affected the trees along the bank and on the fence line at the Fazio property.
Trees tell stories - they really do.
SSSHHHsss don't tell the trees!
Perhaps an arborist in the WA area would be more capable of providing an answer than some one from Ky and Fl. - Climate and conditions affect trees.
TREES really do tell stories!
When you have a river and trees - the shore line will change on its own. There were trees along that river bank in the area of the find. Was the money find in the open or beneath the canopy of trees.
Does that mean anything to you computer geeks and geologist and professors? ANYTHING at all?
1. 1979 there is a building beneath the tree lines toward the gate. Don't take my word ask the Fazio's when the shed came down - a flood I believe is the answer you will get. Where was the money find in relationship to the shed? Ask and you will get an answer.
2. Are any of you familar with trees and the root systems?
In 2000 some of the trees where gone and it was more barren than I remembered on the Western side. Some remained in the area the money was found. I am having a hard time remember the 2000 visit because of all of the commotion.
If anyone can find a picture of the area around 1979 and another one of the area around 2000 - I would appreciate it. Bet the Fazio's have some pics. Just for the sake of it we need one from 1971 - but, it will not be relevant. Perhaps things grow differently there than they do in the South.
What I remember seeing in 2000
was the trees up river toward the (East) was the roots being gnarily and above the ground. Not like the trees on Fazio's property. The big Floods - there were 2 or 3 of those (dates please). 1971 to 2000 - ALL of them!
The trees should tell a story - they always do because they live longer than we do.
I have NO IDEA WHY I am even doing this - it MIGHT be counter productive if I was trying to prove Weber was Cooper - I just want answers!
I would like to see pictures from 2000, 1979 and 1971. List all flood dates that would have affected the trees along the bank and on the fence line at the Fazio property.
Trees tell stories - they really do.
SSSHHHsss don't tell the trees!
Perhaps an arborist in the WA area would be more capable of providing an answer than some one from Ky and Fl. - Climate and conditions affect trees.
TREES really do tell stories!
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QuoteQuoteThis is probably old news but looks like Galen Cook has been busy with some investigatin so I guess we can still look forward to his book....
http://voices.yahoo.com/db-cooper-suspect-named-william-pratt-gossett-1518669.html
See update under "Tina Bar Investigation"
Basically PER THE SITE, the money arrived in 1979 and not by river current, he knows how it decomposed, and why the person got rid of the money. Course he's under a non-disclosure until his scientist does his paper....
He also addresses Gossett's whereabouts Thanksgiving, 1971. Not sure, but that part might be old news.
Stay tuned.
WELL, I didn't see anything at all new there! Nothing IOTA!.
If he writes a book - it will go down the drain with all the others.
Perhaps when I do talk to someone - I need to take copies of all the EMAILS Galen and I exchanged - then they can see were most of his story came from! Should be FUN - and I have the PROOF.....ALL in Black and White and on Disk. I have a special binder labeled COOK - hole punched and arrange according to date - the entire story is in that note book.
Galen maybe an attorney, but he has dealt with a woman with 1st hand convictions and he used me for information...I can prove ALL of that...Galen's story he hijacked from me and then started to add to HIS fantasy of finding Cooper. Galen contacted me yrs before he ever found Gossett - 2004 and I have the letter he sent.
The only connection I could find was the picture Duane set me up to take in 1979 on that Sept day in Salt Lake - I have tried to find out who that man was. Since purportedly Gossett had a hair transplant and was supposedly in Salt Lake at that time - I asked if the attached picture could be Gossett. Duane went to Salt Lake find a man who worked at the Vistor Centre or / and was involved with the Church and he DID not want that man to see him (Duane). The negatives of these pics are the only one missing in 50 yrs of negative - just NOT possible. Duane took the negatives - because if he had taken the pics out of the Album I would have been suspicious and have asked a LOT of questions.
Around 1993 there was a man who went on TV to confess he had allowed someone else to go over for him in his place - does anyone have the capabililties to find that news segment. All I have is the memory. I want to know the name of that man and the branch of service he was in.
Again something I have tried desperately to find - it would have been WW11 or the Korean War. I just do NOT know why this bugs me - perhaps because the picture and the news clip of that man seem in retrospect to be similar in appearance - the man came forward with his confession, but never revealed who went over for him. Again I only know approximate dates between 1990 and 1995. Again Duane watched very little TV in the living room - he preferred to be on the bed with his small TV, but if there was something special - he wanted to see the larger TV in the Living room
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QuoteRobert 99 says in part:
Quote'And a really long final into Reno. Despite that, they had to break off their approach and circle to try it again...'
I imagine they were scared to death trying the Reno landing with the stairs dragging on the pavement. That's just a guess, of course.
Blevins, the stairs didn't drag until they were turning off the runway.
The problem was that they could only descend at about 300 to 500 feet per minute and that is much less than the normal descent rate during final approach.
On the original approach, they were overshooting the runway due to the local obstacles to the airport. They broke off that approach then circled so that they were a bit further out from the point they broke off the approach and did it again. This time they were able to hit the approach end of the runway even with their low descent rate.
The stairs did drag a little after turning off the runway but only had very minor damage. A picture of the stairs after the landing can be found on Sluggo's web page.
Robert99
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Quoteafter the sand was deposited onto the bar, does anyone know how much and how far they leveled off the sand?
I remember seeing the video Tom made with Brian Ingrams showing the money "fanning out" once wet, does the
process stay in this condition, or does the money flatten back out after long periods under water? or did it remain flat
because it was with the rest of the money inside the bag keeping it bundled up until it was broken apart by the dredge?
If the above questions are not correct then I believe a good search of the bar and surrounding Island's need to be searched.
there must be more clues in those areas, what could it hurt.
Robert99 asked if anyone would help search these area's, I would love to but just don't have the time or funds to travel
across the Country, but would help out in any way I could to start the project.
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I don't live all that far away from Tena's Bar, 1-2 hours away. , I'd be willing to help out. Send me a pm, let's talk. MeyerLouie
What a great set-up and superb attention to detail where every expectation is exceeded. Was there some trim wheel clatter in there as well (sound effects)? Could it be that detailed?
I’m just floored at what you and the crew have managed to cobble together without government mandate or profit motive. The overhead ‘console’ is a nice touch too. What a huge effort, or at least I’m assuming that judging the output.
Sierra Hotel Shutter.
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