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after the sand was deposited onto the bar, does anyone know how much and how far they leveled off the sand?
I remember seeing the video Tom made with Brian Ingrams showing the money "fanning out" once wet, does the
process stay in this condition, or does the money flatten back out after long periods under water? or did it remain flat
because it was with the rest of the money inside the bag keeping it bundled up until it was broken apart by the dredge?
If the above questions are not correct then I believe a good search of the bar and surrounding Island's need to be searched.
there must be more clues in those areas, what could it hurt.
Robert99 asked if anyone would help search these area's, I would love to but just don't have the time or funds to travel
across the Country, but would help out in any way I could to start the project.
I remember seeing the video Tom made with Brian Ingrams showing the money "fanning out" once wet, does the
process stay in this condition, or does the money flatten back out after long periods under water? or did it remain flat
because it was with the rest of the money inside the bag keeping it bundled up until it was broken apart by the dredge?
If the above questions are not correct then I believe a good search of the bar and surrounding Island's need to be searched.
there must be more clues in those areas, what could it hurt.
Robert99 asked if anyone would help search these area's, I would love to but just don't have the time or funds to travel
across the Country, but would help out in any way I could to start the project.
"It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI
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Farflung continues:
This is the simplest design to deliver some money to Tena Bar. Agreed? Yes/No?
If No, What is a simpler solution? Present it.
If Yes, what data set would move or modify the original points?
You must have a source, no more ‘because I say so’ or wishful thinking. It just can’t be this difficult to make this point.
How do you know Cooper didn’t jump over Guam? If you can reason that out, or into the equation, then any other data set you possess or covet, should work just as well. It would be a matter of resolution and not process, since they are the same.
Did Cooper jump over Christmas Island? See, two places are on or off the list, but YOU maintain the things, because I want to know what lies in the realm of most probable (least complex)…. to less probable, based upon things which exclude unicorns, wishful thinking and pure bullshit.
R99 replies:
The simplest way for the money to get to Tena Bar is a direct jump or, more likely, crater on Tena Bar.
There is no accurate information on the exact jump point, FBI maps to the contrary.
The Tena Bar money find and location is a single, independent data point. It is not an "outlier", but is a valid point and how the money got there has a rational explanation even if it is not known at this time.
Hopefully, Georger will expand on the dredge operations later today.
Robert99
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Sounds like what SafeCrackingPLF said in his analysis using Occam's Razor -- most probable solution is the simplest, one that introduces the fewest assumptions.
Any accurate information on the dredging would be key.
And again, I come back to the fact that some seem to be ignoring -- how do you explain the pitted, blackened, worn, tattered condition of the Tena Bar bills? Check out 377's 20 -- if he'll let you. If the bills got to Tena's Bar by "unnatural means," ie, someone planted them there, way after the fact, then how did the planter get the bills to look so tattered and worn? Did DBC take the money and chemically "antique" the bills, then later plant a few bundles at Tena's Bar just to throw us all off? Or maybe it was a passerby, at some later time, who found the DBC money bag, after it had been rolling down the River for years, and then planted 3 bundles at Tena's Bar -- just to throw us all off -- just to get a good laugh?
All kiddinh aside, I believe there is a logical explanation, we just haven't found it yet. Any theory that does not explain the tattered condition of the bills is bs, plain and simple. MeyerLouie
.....And then there is also the suggestion that the money find itself might be suspect. That the money might have been "planted" for the child to find.
At least this was brought up the last 2, 3, or 4 times the money find was discussed in minute detail on this forum. No reason to leave it out now......
but....A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on.....Winston Churchill
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Something else to ponder:
This from an article in the Oregonian 3/5/2009 found here:
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2009/03/amateur_detectives_fish_for_db.html
"Last year, Carr sent Kaye a sample of the tattered hijacking currency that remains in FBI custody. Kaye did a chemical analysis of the $20 bills and said he discovered a "unique chemical marker," a compound that explained how the bills degraded and could possibly point to where they had been. He declined to identify the compound because he said it could be a key finding in the scientific paper he plans to write about the investigation.
"I'm trying to determine where that (compound) exists in nature," Kaye said."
Then this from Kaye's web site:
http://www.citizensleuths.com/moneyanalysis.html
Subsequent examination under EDS showed that the black Fig 3 Rainbow iridescence on the black bills signaled a refractive molecular layer present on the surface.Fig 3 Rainbow iridescence on the black bills signaled a refractive molecular layer present on the surface.coating was due to a silver on the bills surface. Several potential natural sources for the silver coating were examined, but in casual conversation, a law enforcement officer mentioned that silver nitrate that was used in the early 70's to detect fingerprints. This treatment had the negative side effect of eventually turning the evidence black. Commercially available nitrate test strips were employed and the results were clearly positive. Further examination of the news photos from 1971 did not show any black bills. Although there was no record of any testing done on the bills prior to this analysis, the data indicates the blackened bills were checked for fingerprints using silver nitrate at some point in the 70's.
Huh???
1st..Is silver nitrate the compound that Kaye is talking about in the 2009 article or is he holding something back?
2nd..What's up with all the references to the 70s in regards to the found money? ("further examination of news reports from 1971 did not show any blackened bills", "silver nitrate used in 1970s", "data indicates blackened bills were checked for fingerprints using silver nitrate at some point in the 70's").
What does the fact that they used silver nitrate in the 70s for fingerprints have to do with anything? Is he saying that the bills were fingerprinted in the 70s using silver nitrate (you know, because that's what was used in the 70s)? When and why would they have fingerprinted the bills in the 70s? What photos of the bills in 1971?
Has this been addressed before?
At the top I see this:
Fact: Some of the Cooper bills were black from unknown causes.
Fact: Silver was detected everywhere on the black bills and a nitrate test came out positive.
Interpretation: Silver nitrate was used in an attempt to find fingerprints on the bills in 1980 but this was not recorded.
So.... is the "unique chemical marker" referenced in the article silver nitrate? Or did Kaye not reveal all of his findings?
And.... are all of the references to the 70s in the body of the report just a slightly unsettling amount of typos for a scholarly effort?
Or am I missing something here?
This from an article in the Oregonian 3/5/2009 found here:
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2009/03/amateur_detectives_fish_for_db.html
"Last year, Carr sent Kaye a sample of the tattered hijacking currency that remains in FBI custody. Kaye did a chemical analysis of the $20 bills and said he discovered a "unique chemical marker," a compound that explained how the bills degraded and could possibly point to where they had been. He declined to identify the compound because he said it could be a key finding in the scientific paper he plans to write about the investigation.
"I'm trying to determine where that (compound) exists in nature," Kaye said."
Then this from Kaye's web site:
http://www.citizensleuths.com/moneyanalysis.html
Subsequent examination under EDS showed that the black Fig 3 Rainbow iridescence on the black bills signaled a refractive molecular layer present on the surface.Fig 3 Rainbow iridescence on the black bills signaled a refractive molecular layer present on the surface.coating was due to a silver on the bills surface. Several potential natural sources for the silver coating were examined, but in casual conversation, a law enforcement officer mentioned that silver nitrate that was used in the early 70's to detect fingerprints. This treatment had the negative side effect of eventually turning the evidence black. Commercially available nitrate test strips were employed and the results were clearly positive. Further examination of the news photos from 1971 did not show any black bills. Although there was no record of any testing done on the bills prior to this analysis, the data indicates the blackened bills were checked for fingerprints using silver nitrate at some point in the 70's.
Huh???
1st..Is silver nitrate the compound that Kaye is talking about in the 2009 article or is he holding something back?
2nd..What's up with all the references to the 70s in regards to the found money? ("further examination of news reports from 1971 did not show any blackened bills", "silver nitrate used in 1970s", "data indicates blackened bills were checked for fingerprints using silver nitrate at some point in the 70's").
What does the fact that they used silver nitrate in the 70s for fingerprints have to do with anything? Is he saying that the bills were fingerprinted in the 70s using silver nitrate (you know, because that's what was used in the 70s)? When and why would they have fingerprinted the bills in the 70s? What photos of the bills in 1971?
Has this been addressed before?
At the top I see this:
Fact: Some of the Cooper bills were black from unknown causes.
Fact: Silver was detected everywhere on the black bills and a nitrate test came out positive.
Interpretation: Silver nitrate was used in an attempt to find fingerprints on the bills in 1980 but this was not recorded.
So.... is the "unique chemical marker" referenced in the article silver nitrate? Or did Kaye not reveal all of his findings?
And.... are all of the references to the 70s in the body of the report just a slightly unsettling amount of typos for a scholarly effort?
Or am I missing something here?
but....A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on.....Winston Churchill
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Also did I miss where anything was mentioned about the lack of certain elements on the money?
I noticed that 2009 samples of the water and sand were obtained but I can't find any follow-up on the composition of the water - besides the find of a couple of diatoms found on current bills soaked in the water.
In other words - if the water had a high concentration of a certain element like mercury or aluminum (just generic examples - I read that dredging was stopped once in early 70s because of high levels of mercury) could one correlate the lack of this substance on the money as significant? Or is this just another avenue that would be too full of supposition and not enough real data?
I noticed that 2009 samples of the water and sand were obtained but I can't find any follow-up on the composition of the water - besides the find of a couple of diatoms found on current bills soaked in the water.
In other words - if the water had a high concentration of a certain element like mercury or aluminum (just generic examples - I read that dredging was stopped once in early 70s because of high levels of mercury) could one correlate the lack of this substance on the money as significant? Or is this just another avenue that would be too full of supposition and not enough real data?
but....A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on.....Winston Churchill
Maybe, if he was heading north?
But, if he was heading south things to his right, would be west of the flight path.
Of course to my right could be any where from the 1 o'clock to 5 o'clock position, bur more than likely in the 2 to 3 o'clock positions. Once the location is a beam, it is pretty much behind you.
Matt
But, if he was heading south things to his right, would be west of the flight path.
Of course to my right could be any where from the 1 o'clock to 5 o'clock position, bur more than likely in the 2 to 3 o'clock positions. Once the location is a beam, it is pretty much behind you.
Matt
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So, start being safe, first!!!
So, start being safe, first!!!
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QuoteMaybe, if he was heading north?
But, if he was heading south things to his right, would be west of the flight path.
Of course to my right could be any where from the 1 o'clock to 5 o'clock position, bur more than likely in the 2 to 3 o'clock positions. Once the location is a beam, it is pretty much behind you.
Matt
I think she was implying the path was further west like Knoss claims, if they are flying south and looked out the right side of the plane and see Vancouver and Portland, they are way east,way east. Rataczak could have been talking about being at Battleground and saying he see's Portland out the right side if he was referring to PDX, that would be correct.
I just looked, flying on V23 to Battleground would put PDX just to the right
"It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI
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Since I’m capable of multi-tasking, and being damn good at everything being parallel processed (yes, it is what you’re thinking ladies), I’ve displayed my typical generosity, to a fault, by crafting this comprehensive set of graphics. You’re welcome.
It has been the traditional parlance on this fine forum is to admonish individuals to ‘read the tread’, ‘re-read my posts’ or read the ‘transcripts’. Sure that’s a great help, no doubt, but wouldn’t it be more polite, logical and efficient, to quote the artifacts of interest, rather than doom a person to reading some boring text? Yes, of course it is, that was a stupid rhetorical question. No one wants to ever engage in the sort of inefficiencies which produce $1600 toilet seats. At least no one with a functioning brain stem that is.
So what is the mystery which surrounds the flight of 305? After forty years, the effects of myth, lore along with abject manipulation, fabrication and buttholery, have produced a story which appears to be far more complicated that it is in reality. An airplane flew from Seattle to Portland and experienced: time travel, alien abduction, Sasquatch attacks, gubberment conspiracies, employee revolt, and parallel universe barrier penetration along with a few unusual things. So here are the Cliff Notes on what is recorded for all you mere mortals to review.
From the graphic of Genesis: For it is written, god created man and Farf, but that can be discussed later. The Genesis of Flight 305 was at Seattle-Tacoma Airport, which is called Seattle-Tacoma Airport. The crew requested and got runway 16L for takeoff. They were cleared V-23, all the way to Sacramento as obstacle clearance was known to that point. The crew was concerned about not having maps, because they didn’t want to roll the dice, and discover the summit of Mount Saint Helens, via tactile sampling. The crew showed superb safety of flight practices, in spite of having a psycho with a half dozen sticks of TNT in the back of the plane.
Time for take off! Vvvvrrrrooooommmmm…. Time hack- 7:36 brake release! I’ve got bonerz.
Ok, now the plane has lifted off and at 7:42 are reported 14 miles out of SEA.
Then a minute later the back stairs were opened at 7:43, Horray!
7:45 has the tiny ship at, 19 DME with a 170 knots suggested as an optimum speed for their dirty configuration.
Wow, that was a thrilling three minutes. But 9 minutes into the flight and the plane is at 7,000 feet, has the aft stairs open and are averaging 126 knots from brake release. Gosh, so far there isn’t anything exciting going on, save one notable exception, perhaps the remaining 37 minutes will betray a hidden Elvis or Roswell Alien.
The next ‘action point’ for the crew is an Airway intersection named Mayfield (in 1971) which is 45 nautical miles away. At 160 knots this would take 17 minutes, 170 knots- 16 minutes and 180 knots- 15 minutes. So the variance on this leg would be 2 minutes with a velocity ambiguity of 20 knots. I really expected a lot more from the time travel element than some missing 2 minutes, oh well.
On to the graphic of Exodus. The top of the chart has the turn point, aka intersection of Mayfield, with an ETA of 8:00 to 8:02 PM, based upon the last position report and an assumed ground speed of 160-180 knots.
From Mayfield to Portland VORTAC is 41 miles. Just south of Mayfield is the tiny town of Toutle, where the emergency operating placard was found. The placard was extremely close to V-23 and somewhat disappointing for those expecting the parallel universe thing to kick in.
Using ground speeds of 160 – 180 knots, the ETA to the Portland VORTAC would be 8:14 – 8:18 PM. If the time indicator of 2010 (aka: 8:10 PM local) from the chart is accurate, then an updated ETA to the Portland VORTAC would be a tighter 8:14 -8:15 PM. The aircraft remained within the 4 nautical mile Airway corridor and appears to be tracking near the velocity window of 160 to 180 knots. I’m not sure what greater precision would deliver, but if someone has better information they should speak with their data. What will the graphic of Numbers reveal?
Here’s a little anti-climatic, verification of the laws of physics. I know, yaaaaawwwnn, expecting the Sasquatch or Bigfoot reveal is quite the come down, but this does reflect reality according to the records, and a well used -whiz-wheel. But take comfort in knowing that conspiracies do in fact exist, in that people are more than willing to shill, lie, cheat or steal, in order to manipulate others enough to create a conspiracy. So that’s good.
What are the revelations in the numbers? Well that the position report which put Flight 305 at 23 DME, south of the Portland VORTAC, is precisely where they would be expected, if they flew V-23, at 160 – 180 knots, and maintained 10,000 feet. By ‘backing’ out of the 8:22 report, using 8 minutes leaves 8:14 PM, as the ‘over station’ time for the Portland VORTAC. That is in fact the calculated ETA which was the result of ATC communications and simple dead reckoning techniques. The standard of plus or minus 2 minutes was good enough for the Air Force, and dovetails well into FAA standards. I don’t see a vast amount of wiggle room for the ‘nut job’ theories which require secret inside information, but I’m sure they will claim that everything has been sanitized. There simply is not defense for psychosis.
Any questions or belittlements are just fine with me, as I find deception to be among the largest insults a person can perpetrate. I will never understand the desire to chaff and cloud things with wishful thinking, repetitive chanting or steering to some Paper Tiger theory that will ultimately be discovered and tossed aside. Why add the expense and overhead to such a task? Unless of course, this is how these people typically behave. Amen.
It has been the traditional parlance on this fine forum is to admonish individuals to ‘read the tread’, ‘re-read my posts’ or read the ‘transcripts’. Sure that’s a great help, no doubt, but wouldn’t it be more polite, logical and efficient, to quote the artifacts of interest, rather than doom a person to reading some boring text? Yes, of course it is, that was a stupid rhetorical question. No one wants to ever engage in the sort of inefficiencies which produce $1600 toilet seats. At least no one with a functioning brain stem that is.
So what is the mystery which surrounds the flight of 305? After forty years, the effects of myth, lore along with abject manipulation, fabrication and buttholery, have produced a story which appears to be far more complicated that it is in reality. An airplane flew from Seattle to Portland and experienced: time travel, alien abduction, Sasquatch attacks, gubberment conspiracies, employee revolt, and parallel universe barrier penetration along with a few unusual things. So here are the Cliff Notes on what is recorded for all you mere mortals to review.
From the graphic of Genesis: For it is written, god created man and Farf, but that can be discussed later. The Genesis of Flight 305 was at Seattle-Tacoma Airport, which is called Seattle-Tacoma Airport. The crew requested and got runway 16L for takeoff. They were cleared V-23, all the way to Sacramento as obstacle clearance was known to that point. The crew was concerned about not having maps, because they didn’t want to roll the dice, and discover the summit of Mount Saint Helens, via tactile sampling. The crew showed superb safety of flight practices, in spite of having a psycho with a half dozen sticks of TNT in the back of the plane.
Time for take off! Vvvvrrrrooooommmmm…. Time hack- 7:36 brake release! I’ve got bonerz.
Ok, now the plane has lifted off and at 7:42 are reported 14 miles out of SEA.
Then a minute later the back stairs were opened at 7:43, Horray!
7:45 has the tiny ship at, 19 DME with a 170 knots suggested as an optimum speed for their dirty configuration.
Wow, that was a thrilling three minutes. But 9 minutes into the flight and the plane is at 7,000 feet, has the aft stairs open and are averaging 126 knots from brake release. Gosh, so far there isn’t anything exciting going on, save one notable exception, perhaps the remaining 37 minutes will betray a hidden Elvis or Roswell Alien.
The next ‘action point’ for the crew is an Airway intersection named Mayfield (in 1971) which is 45 nautical miles away. At 160 knots this would take 17 minutes, 170 knots- 16 minutes and 180 knots- 15 minutes. So the variance on this leg would be 2 minutes with a velocity ambiguity of 20 knots. I really expected a lot more from the time travel element than some missing 2 minutes, oh well.
On to the graphic of Exodus. The top of the chart has the turn point, aka intersection of Mayfield, with an ETA of 8:00 to 8:02 PM, based upon the last position report and an assumed ground speed of 160-180 knots.
From Mayfield to Portland VORTAC is 41 miles. Just south of Mayfield is the tiny town of Toutle, where the emergency operating placard was found. The placard was extremely close to V-23 and somewhat disappointing for those expecting the parallel universe thing to kick in.
Using ground speeds of 160 – 180 knots, the ETA to the Portland VORTAC would be 8:14 – 8:18 PM. If the time indicator of 2010 (aka: 8:10 PM local) from the chart is accurate, then an updated ETA to the Portland VORTAC would be a tighter 8:14 -8:15 PM. The aircraft remained within the 4 nautical mile Airway corridor and appears to be tracking near the velocity window of 160 to 180 knots. I’m not sure what greater precision would deliver, but if someone has better information they should speak with their data. What will the graphic of Numbers reveal?
Here’s a little anti-climatic, verification of the laws of physics. I know, yaaaaawwwnn, expecting the Sasquatch or Bigfoot reveal is quite the come down, but this does reflect reality according to the records, and a well used -whiz-wheel. But take comfort in knowing that conspiracies do in fact exist, in that people are more than willing to shill, lie, cheat or steal, in order to manipulate others enough to create a conspiracy. So that’s good.
What are the revelations in the numbers? Well that the position report which put Flight 305 at 23 DME, south of the Portland VORTAC, is precisely where they would be expected, if they flew V-23, at 160 – 180 knots, and maintained 10,000 feet. By ‘backing’ out of the 8:22 report, using 8 minutes leaves 8:14 PM, as the ‘over station’ time for the Portland VORTAC. That is in fact the calculated ETA which was the result of ATC communications and simple dead reckoning techniques. The standard of plus or minus 2 minutes was good enough for the Air Force, and dovetails well into FAA standards. I don’t see a vast amount of wiggle room for the ‘nut job’ theories which require secret inside information, but I’m sure they will claim that everything has been sanitized. There simply is not defense for psychosis.
Any questions or belittlements are just fine with me, as I find deception to be among the largest insults a person can perpetrate. I will never understand the desire to chaff and cloud things with wishful thinking, repetitive chanting or steering to some Paper Tiger theory that will ultimately be discovered and tossed aside. Why add the expense and overhead to such a task? Unless of course, this is how these people typically behave. Amen.
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"Ok, now the plane has lifted off and at 7:42 are reported 14 miles out of SEA
7:45 has the tiny ship at, 19 DME with a 170 knots suggested as an optimum speed for their dirty configuration. "
do the numbers on those two, 5 miles in 3 minutes?
7:45 has the tiny ship at, 19 DME with a 170 knots suggested as an optimum speed for their dirty configuration. "
do the numbers on those two, 5 miles in 3 minutes?
"It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI
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QuoteI really would like to find Toms exact comments
about his socalled print-exact lineup btwn bills - if
its even on his website? I want to know what "bills"
he's talking about ??? The three bills he received
originally (sent by Carr), other bills he looked at in
Seattle .... WTF are you talking about Tom!?
I hope you are not using a sample of 3 bills as
representative of all the bundles, all the cash,
what are you talking about?
G.
I could find nothing about print bleeds...but he does talk about alignment of the money here....
http://www.citizensleuths.com/moneyanalysis.html
Paragraphs 5 and 6 under the section titled "Discussion". There is also a pic on the right - Figure 5 - that he references
I went over the webpage page by page last night
and there is no mention of 'print bleeds'.
There are direct references to bill alignment and a
graphic but this is an 'inference' from pieces of
several bill-print stuck to one of the three bills Tom
had to work with. Tom only had 3 bills.
Gray seems to be the only source for this I can find,
from what Blevins is citing in Geoff's book. Gray may
have misunderstood Tom which wouldnt be the first
time - one othet example was his citing me as
saying 'two types of silver' and when I voluntarily
called Gray to correct him (vs him calling me!) he
then claimed I had given up my claim to remaining
private and he published my name in retaliation!
Then Tom sits and says nothing, as usual! Tom
reads this forum. It would be almost like Tom to sit
for years and say nothing, when in fact he never
said 'print bleeds'.
Tom says nothing about 'print bleeds' on the CS
website. He does make several refereces to
alignment of bills and he has several graphics about
that. Those graphics of course contradict the idea
that 'all of the bills were in perfect alignment' - they
werent. Anyone who has talked to the Ingrams
knows that! And, Tom's alignment pitch is all based
on "piece of print" stuck to one of the 3 bills he had,
each serie of print at a different angle - with these
graphics (I am attaching).
On the "Washougal Washdown Theory"page Tom
says quote: "The bills were still in relative alignment
when found on Tena Bar which seems implausible
along with the fact they stayed together, if they went
through a dredging and subsequent bulldozing
operation." His words are "RELATIVE ALIGNMENT"
not "perfect alignment".
I honestly dont know what's going on: but it could be
all of this is coming from Geoff Gray and his book
and Tom never said 'print bleeds' or 'perfect
alignment' at all ?
Tom only had three bills to work with, and three bills
are NOT a representative sample of the Ingram find!
Again, it could be that all of this is coming from
Geoff Gray and not from Tom? Did Tom ever say
anything about this here at Dropzone. ??? I guess
we do a search.
This is just one more example of people chasing
phantoms when those responsible won't talk. It's
very poor policy and destroys people's credibility,
not to mention nit-wits then chiming in and using it
when they havent the faintest idea what they are
talking about -
Keep in mind: the FBi was not delivered the Ingram
find intact as found, but after a separation and wash-
job even including chlorine in several cases on some
of the bills, in Mom Ingram's kitchenette. You can
see part of what the Ingrams presented to
Himmelsbach and the state it was in the now famous
photo - attached.
The Ingrams had tried to separate the bills from a
cemented conglomerate (for the most part) and in
fact there is an FBI file on the "cemented bills".
There was sediment in between each bill to some
extent' and covered the outside and around the
stack, holding the whole aggregate together, as the
Ingrams found the aggregate of bills.
By all appearances the "aggregate" looked as if it
had been in place through several seasonal cycles
for quite some time (years).
I could say more but Im going to hold off.
Lets be clear about the Ingram-FBI photo: this
photo was staged for the news. What you see is just
a sampling of the Ingram find. There are other
photos which more accurately relfect the condition
and amount of the money.
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Sure Mrshutter45,
This is the error induced from rounding minutes and DME, versus radar and the usual problems with averaging data points too close together.
T/O to 14 miles south is 6 minutes, or 2.33 miles @ minute, resulting at 140 knots.
NEXT: 19 DME is 9 minutes, or 2.11 miles @ minute, resulting at 126 knots, for a combined average of 133 knots which is from a dead stop to 19 DME south.
Don’t forget to factor in the one plus, nautical mile of altitude which had to be traversed, which equates to a lower ground speed as well.
Thank you for your question.
This is the error induced from rounding minutes and DME, versus radar and the usual problems with averaging data points too close together.
T/O to 14 miles south is 6 minutes, or 2.33 miles @ minute, resulting at 140 knots.
NEXT: 19 DME is 9 minutes, or 2.11 miles @ minute, resulting at 126 knots, for a combined average of 133 knots which is from a dead stop to 19 DME south.
Don’t forget to factor in the one plus, nautical mile of altitude which had to be traversed, which equates to a lower ground speed as well.
Thank you for your question.
about his socalled print-exact lineup btwn bills - if
its even on his website? I want to know what "bills"
he's talking about ??? The three bills he received
originally (sent by Carr), other bills he looked at in
Seattle .... WTF are you talking about Tom!?
I hope you are not using a sample of 3 bills as
representative of all the bundles, all the cash,
what are you talking about?
G.
I could find nothing about print bleeds...but he does talk about alignment of the money here....
http://www.citizensleuths.com/moneyanalysis.html
Paragraphs 5 and 6 under the section titled "Discussion". There is also a pic on the right - Figure 5 - that he references