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Excuses for the FBI search

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On 8/31/2022 at 4:39 AM, JoeWeber said:

Even now large law firm types and their bosses think twice before not representing a former and possible next president. Don McGahn wanted to quit the bastard when he was White House counsel but his actual bosses at Jones Day put the kibosh on it. I guess it's a credential worth a lot of inflated billable hours.

I think that’s changed a lot since Jan 6th. Not only do the major law firms not think the publicity is such a good idea anymore, Trump is now used to having lawyers like the Kraken lady who will parrot every outlandish thing he says, and file in court things that no competent lawyer who wants to stay in the Bar would ever file.

LegalEagle broke down some of the latest mistakes by his current team that includes high powered individuals like a random insurance lawyer from Maine (or something) including submitting motions to Judges who are completely unconnected to the case, and being unable to even properly file the request to practice in Florida as an out of state lawyer.

 

There are details in the filings they did manage to make that seem like they’ve been dictated directly by Trump and are so legally baseless as to be downright incriminating.

Mr Trump's legal team contended he had been engaged in a "standard give-and-take" with the National Archives over the return of his files when the search warrant was executed.

The archives were asking him (and subpoenaing him) to comply with the law. Only Trump would think openly declaring that he was trying to negotiate his way out of following all of the law is a smart thing to do in court.

“There is no question... that the matters before this court centre around the possession, by a president, of his own presidential records," 

Again, the law is so clear. They’re not his records. He’s not supposed to have possession of them, that’s the entire point of the PRA. They belong to the country, not to him.

“The notion that Presidential records would contain sensitive information should have never been cause for alarm."

Right, they never should have been cause for alarm because they should have been secured in a government facility not the unlocked basement of a commercial premises open to the public.

If this is the best they’ve got I think he’s actually fucked this time.

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2 minutes ago, jakee said:

I think that’s changed a lot since Jan 6th. ....

If this is the best they’ve got I think he’s actually fucked this time.

He sits on an ambulance packed with $250 million in cash. Thats reason enough to attract lawyers like flies to a shit pile on a hot Texas summer day.

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3 minutes ago, olofscience said:

His choice of username is even quite strange. Why call yourself "Slim King" when in fact he wants Trump to be King?

Well we all know America isn't a democracy. That the GOP has the SC packed with conservative lying hacks. perhaps if they can fit trump into the position of King. Even Chris Christie will fit down that rabbit burrow of GOP BS.

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Either you believe Trump  has random government documents just lying around on the floor of his mansion in Mar-A-Lago for his  family to walk all over, or you realize that this photo was STAGED by the FBI ... God gave you the ability to think logically ... Now use it......

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5 minutes ago, Slim King said:

Either you believe Trump  has random government documents just lying around on the floor of his mansion in Mar-A-Lago for his  family to walk all over, or you realize that this photo was STAGED by the FBI ... God gave you the ability to think logically ... Now use it......

Which kind of logic? Deductive or inductive logic?

Remember, there has to be no gaps for it to be valid. Which probably disqualifies whatever you're thinking.

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1 minute ago, olofscience said:

Which kind of logic? Deductive or inductive logic?

Remember, there has to be no gaps for it to be valid. Which probably disqualifies whatever you're thinking.

Do you believe the FBI found them this way or staged the photo? ... Easy question.

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The FBI, in their statement, said these documents were removed from a box that came from random places in the Trump residence at Mar a Lago. They were showing that, in fact, they were real documents, but not indicating that's how they were found.

Yes, some people took it that way. Some people (who shall remain nameless) even spread that implication, thinking it funny. Kind of like how some people took the "Obama was a Muslim born in Kenya" and ran with it.

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1 minute ago, Slim King said:

Do you believe the FBI found them this way or staged the photo? ... Easy question.

I asked a question first.

Looks like you don't know what logic even is.

Anyway, the FBI staging a photo? Do you have any evidence of them doing that? Of course not.

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If the trumpets want to prove the FBI staged the photo, in a court of law, they need to:

  1. Establish that the FBI had a motive for doing so
  2. Show that the FBI had means of doing so,
  3. Show irrefutable evidence that they actually DID so
  4. exclude the possibility that they did otherwise.

I have the feeling that the trumpets will have about as much success with this as proving that the 2020 election was stolen.

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48 minutes ago, Slim King said:

Either you believe Trump  has random government documents just lying around on the floor of his mansion in Mar-A-Lago for his  family to walk all over, or you realize that this photo was STAGED by the FBI ... God gave you the ability to think logically ... Now use it......

Or you can believe the truth. This picture was created by the FBI the same way that pictures of evidence are taken in almost every case ever prosecuted. It is a typical practice for law enforcement to place the evidence in viewable form to capture a photo just like, this with an evidence marker and a ruler for scale. The FBI did not in any way claim that this is the way the documents were found. Quite the contrary, they made it clear that they found this evidence of a crime in various locations. Ever see a photo after a drug bust, you will see drugs, guns, cash and other objects all on a table or floor, just like this with an evidence marker and ruler. I am sorry that you are having trouble understanding this. 

 

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It seems obvious that many of you are being psychologically manipulated. The picture is staged. If you can't see that then the illusion is complete. No photo is needed because they took the files with them. Time and time again you hear from the FBI that they can't reveal evidence while in an investigation ... But here we are .... The FBI releasing a staged photo. And you are falling into the deceptive trap.

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17 minutes ago, Slim King said:

It seems obvious that many of you are being psychologically manipulated. The picture is staged. If you can't see that then the illusion is complete. No photo is needed because they took the files with them. Time and time again you hear from the FBI that they can't reveal evidence while in an investigation ... But here we are .... The FBI releasing a staged photo. And you are falling into the deceptive trap.

Just as I predicted, you don't have any evidence do you :rofl: "trust me it's staged"...right.

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1 hour ago, Slim King said:

It seems obvious that many of you are being psychologically manipulated. The picture is staged. If you can't see that then the illusion is complete. No photo is needed because they took the files with them. Time and time again you hear from the FBI that they can't reveal evidence while in an investigation ... But here we are .... The FBI releasing a staged photo. And you are falling into the deceptive trap.

Says the guy that blindly believes absurd conspiracy theories. I know reality can be a hard pill to swallow, but it is the only way to move past delusion. 

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3 hours ago, Slim King said:

Either you believe Trump  has random government documents just lying around on the floor of his mansion in Mar-A-Lago for his  family to walk all over, or you realize that this photo was STAGED by the FBI ... God gave you the ability to think logically ... Now use it......

Yes it was staged… and they said it was staged. It was staged to show a quick snapshot of the type of documents they were finding, not to fool anyone into thinking that’s how they were found. So I honestly have no idea what your point is.

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4 hours ago, Slim King said:

The photo is 100% STAGED!!!!! Why did they stage such a photo

Of course it is.

Why? Well cause that is how they always do it. How else do you think they should itemize and provide photographic evidence of what they found?

 

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1 hour ago, Slim King said:

It seems obvious that many of you are being psychologically manipulated. The picture is staged. If you can't see that then the illusion is complete. No photo is needed because they took the files with them. Time and time again you hear from the FBI that they can't reveal evidence while in an investigation ... But here we are .... The FBI releasing a staged photo. And you are falling into the deceptive trap.

Trump has not denied those documents were in his possession. He has only claimed he didn't have them lying around like that. He actually agrees with the FBI and DOJ, they also claim he was in possession of those documents. They also never claimed they found them like that.

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1 hour ago, Slim King said:

No photo is needed because they took the files with them.

My god you are terminally naive. Do you not think that if the FBI collected no evidence that the papers it now possesses were ever present in Trump’s home that Trump’s lawyers would simply claim that they were never there? Has it not crossed your mind that “hey that’s not mine” is a potential defence that LEOs are always aware of and acting to mitigate?

1 hour ago, Slim King said:

Time and time again you hear from the FBI that they can't reveal evidence while in an investigation ... But here we are .... The FBI releasing a staged photo. And you are falling into the deceptive trap.

It was in a court filing that the court ruled should be released because it’s in the public interest to be aware of how legitimate the search of Trump’s home was. And this photo does exactly that, it shows the legitimacy and necessity of the search warrant. Only the most rabid of Trump cultists like you would ever find a way to claim this shows him to be the victim.

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3 minutes ago, jakee said:

It was in a court filing

Trump's legal team continues to ask for a detailed inventory of what was recovered during the search warrant. Looks like followers like Slim King do not have the intestinal fortitude to handle what is going to come out of that request.

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4 hours ago, jakee said:

I think that’s changed a lot since Jan 6th. Not only do the major law firms not think the publicity is such a good idea anymore, Trump is now used to having lawyers like the Kraken lady who will parrot every outlandish thing he says, and file in court things that no competent lawyer who wants to stay in the Bar would ever file.

LegalEagle broke down some of the latest mistakes by his current team that includes high powered individuals like a random insurance lawyer from Maine (or something) including submitting motions to Judges who are completely unconnected to the case, and being unable to even properly file the request to practice in Florida as an out of state lawyer.

 

There are details in the filings they did manage to make that seem like they’ve been dictated directly by Trump and are so legally baseless as to be downright incriminating.

Mr Trump's legal team contended he had been engaged in a "standard give-and-take" with the National Archives over the return of his files when the search warrant was executed.

The archives were asking him (and subpoenaing him) to comply with the law. Only Trump would think openly declaring that he was trying to negotiate his way out of following all of the law is a smart thing to do in court.

“There is no question... that the matters before this court centre around the possession, by a president, of his own presidential records," 

Again, the law is so clear. They’re not his records. He’s not supposed to have possession of them, that’s the entire point of the PRA. They belong to the country, not to him.

“The notion that Presidential records would contain sensitive information should have never been cause for alarm."

Right, they never should have been cause for alarm because they should have been secured in a government facility not the unlocked basement of a commercial premises open to the public.

If this is the best they’ve got I think he’s actually fucked this time.

Don't be so sure, he already has Jim Trusty and Evan Corcoran. His moron enriched PAC also has the money to pay upfront if need be.

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11 hours ago, jakee said:

If this is the best they’ve got I think he’s actually fucked this time.

Nothing's going to happen. He's guilty as hell and should have been fucked for shit he pulled even before he won the election, but nothing happened. They're too gutless to actually do the hard thing (even when it's the easy and obvious thing!), so it will slip away once more and cement even more precedent that you really can do anything you want in America if you secure enough power.

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