Dems...what is it that scares you about Trump?

[ryoder 1,401]

grimmie

I understand that, and maybe he does too, but his supporters really don't.

I've seen only one article in mainstream media pointing this out.

"There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones.

[JerryBaumchen 1,068]

Hi Rich,

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The GOP will go after the unions, medicare and social security, welfare and SNAP.

This is the history of the GOP.

Let's face it, the GOP is only out for themselves & big business. They have no history of supporting the common man/working man.

IMO it is going to be a sad awakening for a lot of voters.

Jerry Baumchen

[ryoder 1,401]

kallend

When fake news sites push those ideas and people propagate them on facebook and other social media, what else do you expect?

More fake news in the last couple days.
I saw the bogus CNN story on another forum: http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2016/11/25/stories_on_ivanka_trump_wanting_to_mace_dad_and_porn_airing_on_cnn_show.html

"There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones.

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airdvr

Seriously...what do you think will happen?

I'm a Canadian Liberal, not a Dem. But I've got a few words on this. It starts with the fact that it's not just Dems, it's all the experienced Rs that warned the nation Trump is not qualified, and is not up to the job.

I know, it was the "elites" that were against him, and the people made their choice. Or at least enough of the people in the correct states. Only time will tell who was correct, the people or the elites. But seriously, no one knows just what the man may do. The scary thing is the huge question mark his personal traits leave over the office of POTUS. It's not just that he is unprepared and untrained. In reality how does anyone train for a job like that? It's not his politics, he is far less conservative than any other possible republican who may have won.

In the end the fear is simply over the amount of power and seeming lack of self control he exhibits. Aren't you concerned yourself?

And then there is this guy's take on it:

http://time.com/4580007/tavis-smiley-america-unhinged/?xid=homepage

Always remember the brave children who died defending your right to bear arms. Freedom is not free.

[billvon 2,435]

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All good points. I have to say when your debt exceeds your income you have real problems that perhaps only someone with business experience can solve.

Exactly, and he has solved this sort of problem at least five times so far. He declares bankruptcy, takes a sizable chunk of the settlement for himself and moves on. Works well for him.

[kallend 1,651]

What scares me about Trump is that he can't tell the difference between telling the truth and telling lies.

Look at how many times he has said he will release his tax returns, for just one example.

www.nationalmemo.com/showusyourtaxes-heres-every-time-donald-trump-has-said-he-would-release-his-tax-returns/

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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

[ryoder 1,401]

billvon

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All good points. I have to say when your debt exceeds your income you have real problems that perhaps only someone with business experience can solve.

Exactly, and he has solved this sort of problem at least five times so far. He declares bankruptcy, takes a sizable chunk of the settlement for himself and moves on. Works well for him.

And since he thinks it was a smart move to declare bankruptcy numerous times, I'm sure he thinks the National Debt can likewise be solved by just having the US default on Treasury securities.

"There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones.

[SivaGanesha 2]

quade

I personally have little to fear from Trump unless he decides to go full-dictator and purge the US of anyone who opposes him...

Since I'm a white male, straight, and a US citizen (albeit naturalized) I'm not expecting to be one of his first targets. However I'm definitely concerned for those people especially friends who are in groups he's attacked eg women and certain religious and national groups. (Though if Trump pursues aggressive policies re deporting violent criminal aliens without profiling those who are law abiding, I won't shed too many tears for those who are deported. It should be limited though to those already convicted of violent crimes.)

As I age, though, and as Trump apparently makes plans to gut both Obamacare and Medicare, I'm concerned about being able to afford health insurance. I'm also concerned about what I see as a generally irresponsible attitude among the current crop of Republicans--so my fears are not just about Trump but also about the Republicans who now also control Congress.

It used to be that the Republicans were definitely the more responsible party in Congress. They might be tough and hard nosed but they could also be counted on to be the adults in the room. That changed IMHO starting with the crop of new Republicans who were elected to Congress in the 2010 midterms--and Trump is an extreme example of that kind of Republican.

Maybe they will rise to the occasion when they have unified control of the government and follow responsible policies in a responsible manner. But their behavior prior to now doesn't give reason for optimism. Threats to default on our national debt; a refusal to fulfill constitutional duties to at least consider (not necessarily confirm) a duly nominated Supreme Court justice; an ongoing state of denial that, yes, Obamacare is the law of the land--this is not the behavior of the responsible Republicans of old.

Although it has moved to the back burner lately with other news being dominant, my biggest initial fear of a Trump presidency is the debt ceiling which will again come to a head early in Trump's term. We will have a Republican Congress that has repeatedly threatened a national default now supported by a president whose only prior claim to fame seems to have been running his business like a deadbeat. What could possibly go wrong?

"It's hard to have fun at 4-way unless your whole team gets down to the ground safely to do it again!"--Northern California Skydiving League re USPA Safety Day, March 8, 2014

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JerryBaumchen

Hi Rich,

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The GOP will go after the unions, medicare and social security, welfare and SNAP.

This is the history of the GOP.

Let's face it, the GOP is only out for themselves & big business. They have no history of supporting the common man/working man.

IMO it is going to be a sad awakening for a lot of voters.

Jerry Baumchen

Look what happened last week, a judge suspended the new overtime law that was supposes to take affect next week. It seems the GOP thinks a person making the ungodly amount of $23,000+ should be forced to work over 40 hours a week with out OT. Before trump's even sworn in the average working person is being screwed.

[theplummeter 14]

I'm not a Democrat, and a lot of good points have been made above, but the main thing that gives me caution about Mr. Trump is an overall lack of intelligence coupled with the biggest undeserved ego I have ever witnessed.

Watching how a tongue-in-cheek comment about his genitals turned into a bragging fit on the campaign stage elucidates how easily he can be manipulated. Now place that scenario on a world negotiating scale and picture how easy it would be for foreign influence to pull his strings or distract him into making bad decisions on impulse.

My only hope is that he picks advisors that have the fortitude and intelligence to put a stop to bad decisions, but that doesn't seem to be bearing out thus far.

I also don't care for the fact that his VP pick is so strongly evangelical and so likely to drive policy and dialogue. I'm all for religious freedom, but don't think it's ok to restrict the rights or privileges of others based on unsupported superstitious and supernatural claims. Religion and government don't seem to meld well together.

Short story: We've stroked the undeserved ego of president Eric Cartman and now just have to wait and watch.

[rushmc 18]

jclalor

***Hi Rich,

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The GOP will go after the unions, medicare and social security, welfare and SNAP.

This is the history of the GOP.

Let's face it, the GOP is only out for themselves & big business. They have no history of supporting the common man/working man.

IMO it is going to be a sad awakening for a lot of voters.

Jerry Baumchen

Look what happened last week, a judge suspended the new overtime law that was supposes to take affect next week. It seems the GOP thinks a person making the ungodly amount of $23,000+ should be forced to work over 40 hours a week with out OT. Before trump's even sworn in the average working person is being screwed.

Stopped by an Obama apointed judge who wrote the President does not have the authority to do what he did. Go figure you blame the Republicans.

Ya. Fuck the rule of law

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[BartsDaddy 4]

rushmc

******Hi Rich,

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The GOP will go after the unions, medicare and social security, welfare and SNAP.

This is the history of the GOP.

Let's face it, the GOP is only out for themselves & big business. They have no history of supporting the common man/working man.

IMO it is going to be a sad awakening for a lot of voters.

Jerry Baumchen

Look what happened last week, a judge suspended the new overtime law that was supposes to take affect next week. It seems the GOP thinks a person making the ungodly amount of $23,000+ should be forced to work over 40 hours a week with out OT. Before trump's even sworn in the average working person is being screwed.

Stopped by an Obama apointed judge who wrote the President does not have the authority to do what he did. Go figure you blame the Republicans.

Ya. Fuck the rule of law


No don't you know Trump has been elected its all his fault now.

Handguns are only used to fight your way to a good rifle

[coerce 0]

tkhayes

We are NOT laying off workers, we are hiring.

Do you have the numbers? I mean ya, if you layoff 1 million workers and then rehire them to work half the hours at half the pay - then sure, we're hiring!

tkhayes

There is NO indication that the US dollar is going to tank, in fact compared to so many other currencies, it is probably the safest bet on the planet.

If that makes you sleep better at night, great! After all, it's all about confidence, right? (snicker)

tkhayes

I just get tired of people screaming 'crime is up' when it is not

who, gun control advocates?

tkhayes

For the most part, we are doing just fine

Ya, "The Gangs of New York" was on TV last night...it kinda puts things into perspective, doesn't it?

[tkhayes 140]

Was there something there that you were trying to say other than hyperbole?

Lots of emotion, little content

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tkhayes

Was there something there that you were trying to say other than hyperbole?

Lots of emotion, little content

TK, I don't want to fight anymore. I'm skeptical of Trump, but we have to find a way to make it work.

There is no progress without compromise - and no doubt some values cannot be compromised, but I don't think we're at that point. Both sides are gonna have to let some shit go.

[wmw999 2,150]

That's as easy for conservatives to say now, as it was for liberals eight years ago.

But only slightly more likely . These days it takes a crisis for some people to work together, particularly with media icons always trying to lay blame on the other guy.

Wendy P.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

[normiss 622]

So Trump makes a snarky comment about Boeing and the cost of Air Force one via a tweet that has caused a $1.48 billion hit to the value of a single company.


Just fucking WOW! Indeed.

Better buckle up buttercup, this is going to get crazy.

[billvon 2,435]

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So Trump makes a snarky comment about Boeing and the cost of Air Force one via a tweet that has caused a $1.48 billion hit to the value of a single company.

Give him a few days; the right wing will figure out a way to blame this on either Obama or the press. And all will be well.

[quade 3]

normiss

So Trump makes a snarky comment about Boeing and the cost of Air Force one via a tweet that has caused a $1.48 billion hit to the value of a single company.


Just fucking WOW! Indeed.

Better buckle up buttercup, this is going to get crazy.

At this point I think we need to start doing investigations of his and his family's various holdings and see who may have prior knowledge of what he's about to tweet. See if, for instance, anyone shorted Boeing in the last 24 hours.

quade -
The World's Most Boring Skydiver

[ryoder 1,401]

normiss

So Trump makes a snarky comment about Boeing and the cost of Air Force one via a tweet that has caused a $1.48 billion hit to the value of a single company.


Just fucking WOW! Indeed.

Better buckle up buttercup, this is going to get crazy.

And Drumpf is full of shit as always: http://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/did-boeing-get-out-of-line

Boeing responded by saying that it is currently under contract for only $170 million, though Boeing's statement suggests the current contract only covers an initial investigatory stage of the construction of the airplane. "We are currently under contract for $170 million to help determine the capabilities of these complex military aircraft that serve the unique requirements of the President of the United States," Boeing said in a statement.

According to Politico, the current Pentagon budget for not one but two planes is $1.65 billion.

"There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones.

[aphid 0]

quade

***So Trump makes a snarky comment about Boeing and the cost of Air Force one via a tweet that has caused a $1.48 billion hit to the value of a single company.


Just fucking WOW! Indeed.

Better buckle up buttercup, this is going to get crazy.

At this point I think we need to start doing investigations of his and his family's various holdings and see who may have prior knowledge of what he's about to tweet. See if, for instance, anyone shorted Boeing in the last 24 hours.

I'm going to start subscribing to his tweets and get ready for instant on-line trading!

[JerryBaumchen 1,068]

Hi Robert,

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Boeing responded by saying that it is currently under contract

I spent 30 yrs in US gov't. contracting. Something tells me that Boeing has a very nice cancellation clause in any of their contracts with the US gov't.

Jerry Baumchen

[Lawndarter 3]

airdvr

Seriously...what do you think will happen?

Well, let's see.

He's a thin-skinned megalomaniac who goes off in a fury on social media when someone makes fun of him. What's he going to do when some other country with an interest contrary to his confronts him?

He's a pathological liar.

He's articulated hardly any real policies or plans that weren't outright nonsense and lies (the wall, locking up Hillary, etc).

His cabinet picks are pretty horrifying. Jeff Sessions? Ben Carson? The Secretary of Education who homeschooled and wants to expand vouchers which have undermined the public education system? Who's next? Sarah Palin?!

When all the people who voted for him realize that they've been conned as the Medicare, Medicaid, SNAP, and Social Security they depend on are now being axed and privatized, then what?

Republicans have no credibility to talk about fiscal responsibility to begin with, but imagine the Kansas fiscal disaster becoming America's - when the deficit explodes after the Obama Administration finally got it reduced a bit, what will be the excuse then?

And let's not forget the deplorable human garbage he's empowered to "speak their mind" - racists, neo-Nazis, conspiracy theorists, and so on.

[jclalor 12]

airdvr

Seriously...what do you think will happen?

This is pretty terrifying, the son and aid of the incoming national security advisor, and whom the incoming admistration has requested a security clearance for, is an absolute nut. He's the one that claimed Hillary was running a child porn ring out of a pizza parlor. The one where the nut showed up with an AR-15 and popped off a couple of rounds.

It's getting scary.


http://www.cnn.com/2016/12/06/politics/trump-transition-michael-flynn-conspiracy-theories/

[billvon 2,435]

>He's the one that claimed Hillary was running a child porn ring out of a pizza parlor.
>The one where the nut showed up with an AR-15 and popped off a couple of rounds.

Exactly. Not only is it reasonable to assume that Hillary Clinton is running a child porn ring out of the basement of a local pizza place, a reasonable course of action is to go there and fire off a few rounds into the ceiling. And once that happens, the responsible thing to do is encourage such people.

Welcome to the Trump era.