wmw999 2,129 #26 May 9, 2012 Nothing is ever exactly the same. Why is that not the same? After all, Iowa's and California's gay marriage statutes weren't the same, either, but you still lump them together. Wendy P.There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wolfriverjoe 1,346 #27 May 9, 2012 QuoteQuoteThe will of the majority of the American people in the 1950's was that blacks and whites should not mingle too much. There were plenty of judges who upheld that. Were they right because they upheld the will of the people? Wendy P. Not the same Why not? And the ballot initiatives banning gay marriage keep passing because the people who strongly oppose gay marriage outnumber those who strongly support it (strongly meaning strongly enough to actually make the effort to go and vote)."There are NO situations which do not call for a French Maid outfit." Lucky McSwervy "~ya don't GET old by being weak & stupid!" - Airtwardo Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #28 May 9, 2012 I applaud the President for announcing his support for gay marriage. I am appalled that he did not do it sooner than six months prior to the election. I am disgusted that he did not mobilize Congress to do something about it, even when he had within 1 vote of being filibuster proof in the Senate. Yes, I am finding the bad side to this because it reeks of politics. How many gays and lesbians could have been helped these past few years had he been the anti-politician that was elected? My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #29 May 9, 2012 meh - that's just the way the wind is blowing the guy right now he's pathetic government should stay out of it and let individuals pair up however they like ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #30 May 9, 2012 QuoteI applaud the President for announcing his support for gay marriage. I am appalled that he did not do it sooner than six months prior to the election. I am disgusted that he did not mobilize Congress to do something about it, even when he had within 1 vote of being filibuster proof in the Senate. Yes, I am finding the bad side to this because it reeks of politics. How many gays and lesbians could have been helped these past few years had he been the anti-politician that was elected? I can't decide on the politics behind this. Given that it is a rough 50/50 proposition and does not correspond to the 50/50 support for the parties, it doesn't seem beneficial to take this stance right now. I wonder if Biden forced his hand. It seems more like political courage than expediency, which is unusual for Obama. Just look at how long it took with DADT. The political angle that could exist here is that he's shoring up the gay vote that might have declined to participate in November. But it could easily cost him as many black votes or other Christian Democrats. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tonyhays 86 #31 May 9, 2012 QuoteNot the same Bigotry then, bigotry now. I'd say that's the same.“That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence.” Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mirage62 0 #32 May 9, 2012 50/50 support but he will rev up his base and of course the gay support. He will rev up the anti gay (bigots that they may be) support. Independants matter I would think that if you POLLED them they support gays...you DAMN sure know he did before he decided to "come out" He could have and you might say should have done this a long time ago........Kevin Keenan is my hero, a double FUP, he does so much with so little Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SivaGanesha 2 #33 May 9, 2012 Quotehttp://gma.yahoo.com/obama-announces-his-support-for-same-sex-marriage.html When a President (a federal politican) says he's for or against something, it always raises a question in my mind. Is the president just expressing his personal views? Or is he also expressing his support for imposing his views on the states, perhaps against those states' wishes? Do I favor same-sex marriage? Yes. Do I favor states legalizing same-sex marriage? Yes. Do I favor the federal government forcing states to legalize same-sex marriage? No. Do I favor the federal government forcing states to outlaw same-sex marriage? No."It's hard to have fun at 4-way unless your whole team gets down to the ground safely to do it again!"--Northern California Skydiving League re USPA Safety Day, March 8, 2014 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #34 May 9, 2012 Quote Do I favor the federal government forcing states to outlaw same-sex marriage? No. Did you favor the government forcing desegregation of schools on the South? Or the SC forcing states to permit interracial marriage? It is the job of the Feds to protect the rights of all citizens. If you support same sex marriage as a rights issue, there's no wiggle room here. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,257 #35 May 9, 2012 QuoteEvery poll over the last year has shown that more people support gay marriage than oppose it. Younger people support it by a wide margin, and as older people die off (or stop voting and taking polls) expect support for it to increase further. So the path is clear: wait for one more good flu epidemic, then call a referendum.Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shotgun 1 #36 May 9, 2012 QuoteQuotehttp://gma.yahoo.com/obama-announces-his-support-for-same-sex-marriage.html When a President (a federal politican) says he's for or against something, it always raises a question in my mind. Is the president just expressing his personal views? Or is he also expressing his support for imposing his views on the states, perhaps against those states' wishes? In this case, he said he was expressing his personal view and that he thought it was still an issue for the states to decide on their own. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dontlikemustard 0 #37 May 9, 2012 QuoteQuoteI applaud the President for announcing his support for gay marriage. I am appalled that he did not do it sooner than six months prior to the election. I am disgusted that he did not mobilize Congress to do something about it, even when he had within 1 vote of being filibuster proof in the Senate. Yes, I am finding the bad side to this because it reeks of politics. How many gays and lesbians could have been helped these past few years had he been the anti-politician that was elected? I can't decide on the politics behind this. Given that it is a rough 50/50 proposition and does not correspond to the 50/50 support for the parties, it doesn't seem beneficial to take this stance right now. I wonder if Biden forced his hand. It seems more like political courage than expediency, which is unusual for Obama. Just look at how long it took with DADT. The political angle that could exist here is that he's shoring up the gay vote that might have declined to participate in November. But it could easily cost him as many black votes or other Christian Democrats. He is trying to appeal to the liberal voters, whom are nothing but disappointed in him by his unfulfilled promises for the past 4 years. And those on the right will vote against him regardless of his stance on gay marriage, I don't see how this could hurt him. A lot of the people on the left are disappointed in Obama, and are unmotivated to vote. And those poll numbers? The election is months away and numbers really don't mean shit right now, anything could happen. He needs to wake up his base. The interesting thing about this election is that both candidates are generally seen as weak people who don't deliver. People just don't like Romney and see straight through his bullshit, while Obama is nothing but utter dissapointment. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Austintxflight 0 #38 May 9, 2012 Quote ...believe same sex marriage is a repulsive, perverted abomination, god willing, only if its done correctly. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
devildog 0 #39 May 9, 2012 Quote U.S. adults, on average, estimate that 25% of Americans are gay or lesbian. More specifically, over half of Americans (52%) estimate that at least one in five Americans are gay or lesbian, including 35% who estimate that more than one in four are. Thirty percent put the figure at less than 15%. Just goes to show how uninformed the public is.You stop breathing for a few minutes and everyone jumps to conclusions. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 0 #40 May 9, 2012 Quoteover 50% of the American people believe same sex marriage is a repulsive, perverted abomination, You totally fabricated both the statistic and the modifying adjectives; but hey, it kept the thread rolling. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RonD1120 58 #41 May 10, 2012 QuoteQuoteover 50% of the American people believe same sex marriage is a repulsive, perverted abomination, You totally fabricated both the statistic and the modifying adjectives; but hey, it kept the thread rolling. My avatar will keep a thread rolling.Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 0 #42 May 10, 2012 Quote Quote Quote over 50% of the American people believe same sex marriage is a repulsive, perverted abomination, You totally fabricated both the statistic and the modifying adjectives; but hey, it kept the thread rolling. My avatar will keep a thread rolling. You left out the "t" in "trolling". Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
timgaines 0 #43 May 10, 2012 *cough* Picking and choosing which abominations to suit bigoted beliefs best *cough* http://a8.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/392424_278021645618383_100002316488182_582926_1120283848_n.jpg Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,129 #44 May 10, 2012 This story has to be false. A Kenyan muslim communist would never support gay marriage. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 1,635 #45 May 10, 2012 QuoteThis story has to be false. A Kenyan muslim communist would never support gay marriage. "We've arrived at a point where the president of the United States is going to lead a war on traditional marriage." Rush Limbaugh, 5/10/2012. None of his THREE ex-wives had any comment.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
livendive 8 #46 May 10, 2012 QuoteQuoteThis story has to be false. A Kenyan muslim communist would never support gay marriage. "We've arrived at a point where the president of the United States is going to lead a war on traditional marriage." Rush Limbaugh, 5/10/2012. None of his THREE ex-wives had any comment. Obviously his three marriages had no bearing on the institution itself, those were simply private matters. A gay couple's marriage though, that would somehow be much more influential than any/all of his could ever hope to be. Blues, Dave"I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!" (drink Mountain Dew) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bolas 5 #47 May 10, 2012 Quote I can't decide on the politics behind this. Given that it is a rough 50/50 proposition and does not correspond to the 50/50 support for the parties, it doesn't seem beneficial to take this stance right now. I wonder if Biden forced his hand. It seems more like political courage than expediency, which is unusual for Obama. Just look at how long it took with DADT. The political angle that could exist here is that he's shoring up the gay vote that might have declined to participate in November. But it could easily cost him as many black votes or other Christian Democrats. It's brilliant politics. By taking a stand, by default people will assume Romney feels the opposite. If Romney takes a stand either way, he either loses the moderate and independent voters or the fundamentalists. They won't vote for Obama, but they won't vote for Romney either. In essence he's turned the entire election into a single issue. I think government has no place in marriage period. They should all be civil unions.Stupidity if left untreated is self-correcting If ya can't be good, look good, if that fails, make 'em laugh. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ryoder 1,390 #48 May 10, 2012 Quote I think government has no place in marriage period. They should all be civil unions. Note to self: Write in "Bolas" on ballot this fall."There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RonD1120 58 #49 May 10, 2012 Quote*cough* Picking and choosing which abominations to suit bigoted beliefs best *cough* http://a8.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/392424_278021645618383_100002316488182_582926_1120283848_n.jpg Yeah, that is a problem area. Dr. Laura Schlesinger is Jewish and therefore does not refer to the New Testament. Since Jesus The Christ completed and satisfied the Law of Moses, the issue becomes more clear and easy to understand when referencing the NT.Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shotgun 1 #50 May 10, 2012 QuoteIf Romney takes a stand either way . . . Oh, I think he was pretty quick to come out and say that he still opposes gay marriage and civil unions, and that he won't ever change his mind on that issue. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
