prepheckt 0 #51 January 16, 2009 Not really what I want to hear, I'm flying US Airways to NY next week. "Dancing Argentine Tango is like doing calculus with your feet." -9 toes Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SuFantasma 0 #52 January 16, 2009 QuoteWatching the news....pilot has more that 19000 hours....former F4 phantom pilot. The A320 has a "ditching" button, which when pressed, seals all out ports of fuselage to prevent water from entering. and, crew is trained not to open rear doors, this could sink the plane faster. Yeah, all that shit is supposed to work if the pilot doesn't turn the plane into three major pieces... this guy did a phenomenal job of realizing that the river is more forgiving than the side of a building on a missed engines-out approach!Y yo, pa' vivir con miedo, prefiero morir sonriendo, con el recuerdo vivo". - Ruben Blades, "Adan Garcia" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TEXX56 0 #53 January 16, 2009 QuoteI'm normally a fan of Fox news above the other networks but i just had to mute the TV after hearing these two facts stated within 2 minutes of each other: -"airplane engines are made to be able to injest 2 or 3 birds and be fine. They just spit them out the back" -"some of these pilots are 68 and 69 years old and still flying so we're still waiting to hear how old the captain is" Really? Come on, if fact checking is too hard about about at least using some common sense. i really hate it when news networks do that, you can just do a search on google and find that if your over 60 you cant fly anymore or that a jet engine will not be able to tolerate TWO or THREE bird strikes, hell a screw that got picked up and sucked into the engine can nearly destroy it. and i just like this version of the picture better Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
squirrel 0 #54 January 16, 2009 ok ok...so what i fly, is, well, not really an airplane. but when i had an engine out in my weight shift trike at 200 ft, even though i was over a dry lake bed and could land in any direction, it geave me quite a butt pucker and i landed. kind of like that post reserve ride adrenaline rush i would guess....since i have not had the pleasure of that experience....yet. ________________________________ Where is Darwin when you need him? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BillyVance 34 #55 January 16, 2009 Quote Quote The FBI has made an official statement that this was NOT in fact an act of terrorism. And here I though Al Queda started using flocks of birds. Are we sure it was a flock of birds OR a flock of wingsuit flyers from Cross Keys? I was thinking A Flock Of Seagulls.... the birds! Not the band! "Mediocre people don't like high achievers, and high achievers don't like mediocre people." - SIX TIME National Champion coach Nick Saban Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BillyVance 34 #56 January 16, 2009 Quote Not really what I want to hear, I'm flying US Airways to NY next week. Hey, I look at it this way, they got this incident out of the way. How often do these things happen? We should be fine for a long while. "Mediocre people don't like high achievers, and high achievers don't like mediocre people." - SIX TIME National Champion coach Nick Saban Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
squirrel 0 #57 January 16, 2009 so my wife just made and interesting comment. "look at those people on the wing....they should be thankful. the majority of them would never experience anything like this in life...because they are so stuck in the box. would they walk out on the wing of an airplane, one sitting on the ground, safety harness on...most likely not. now, they have just stepped, or have been pushed, out of the box." i have seen some of the interviews with the passengers. their reactions are very similar to those of tandems....like "its great to be alive" and " i cant stop smiling" ________________________________ Where is Darwin when you need him? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Beerlight 0 #58 January 16, 2009 Quote Not really what I want to hear, I'm flying US Airways to NY next week. heck, I would think you'd look forward to flying with them! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ryoder 1,384 #59 January 16, 2009 Quote Quote Not really what I want to hear, I'm flying US Airways to NY next week. Hey, I look at it this way, they got this incident out of the way. How often do these things happen? We should be fine for a long while. But don't they always happen in three's?"There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
prepheckt 0 #60 January 16, 2009 Quote Quote Not really what I want to hear, I'm flying US Airways to NY next week. Hey, I look at it this way, they got this incident out of the way. How often do these things happen? We should be fine for a long while. Fuck you man..."Dancing Argentine Tango is like doing calculus with your feet." -9 toes Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pilotdave 0 #61 January 16, 2009 Quoteor that a jet engine will not be able to tolerate TWO or THREE bird strikes, hell a screw that got picked up and sucked into the engine can nearly destroy it. Actually to pass the bird ingestion test prescribed in FAR 33.76 (c), the engine may have to survive up to 16 bird strikes, depending on the size of the engine inlet. "(5) Small bird ingestion tests shall be conducted so as to simulate a flock encounter using one 85 gram (0.187 lb.) bird for each 0.032 square-meter (49.6 square-inches) of inlet area, or fraction thereof, up to a maximum of 16 birds. The birds will be aimed so as to account for any critical exposed locations on the first stage rotor blades, with any remaining birds evenly distributed over the engine face area." The engine isn't required to perform the small bird test if it passes the medium bird test, which can require up to 7 medium-size bird ingestions, depending on the inlet size. Dave Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
loumeinhart 0 #62 January 16, 2009 QuoteYes, I've done a double engine failure to touchdown training in the sim for the CRJ. I'm no pilot but would guess that you really have to to point an A320 to the ground to keep it flying with no power.. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ryoder 1,384 #63 January 16, 2009 Most interesting photo I've seen yet: http://www.flickr.com/photos/gregorylam/3200086900/sizes/l/ "OK, everybody; Grab an oar and start paddling!""There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnMitchell 14 #64 January 16, 2009 Quote But don't they always happen in three's? Last week I worked an Alaska Airlines 737 that lost an engine enroute to Phoenix. Today the controller next to me had an American MD-80 lose one engine and make an emergency return to Portland, OR. Maybe we're done for a while. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LuckyMcSwervy 0 #65 January 16, 2009 Quote Quote The FBI has made an official statement that this was NOT in fact an act of terrorism. And here I though Al Queda started using flocks of birds. Are we sure it was a flock of birds OR a flock of wingsuit flyers from Cross Keys? Always be kinder than you feel. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lippy 771 #66 January 16, 2009 QuoteQuoteor that a jet engine will not be able to tolerate TWO or THREE bird strikes, hell a screw that got picked up and sucked into the engine can nearly destroy it. Actually to pass the bird ingestion test prescribed in FAR 33.76 (c), the engine may have to survive up to 16 bird strikes, depending on the size of the engine inlet. "(5) Small bird ingestion tests shall be conducted so as to simulate a flock encounter using one 85 gram (0.187 lb.) bird for each 0.032 square-meter (49.6 square-inches) of inlet area, or fraction thereof, up to a maximum of 16 birds. The birds will be aimed so as to account for any critical exposed locations on the first stage rotor blades, with any remaining birds evenly distributed over the engine face area." The engine isn't required to perform the small bird test if it passes the medium bird test, which can require up to 7 medium-size bird ingestions, depending on the inlet size. Dave So how do they do the testing? I can't imagine that they round up a bunch of geese and get them to fly into an engine.I got nuthin Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
piisfish 135 #67 January 16, 2009 QuoteSo how do they do the testing? I can't imagine that they round up a bunch of geese and get them to fly into an engine.www.youtube.com/watch?v=q-xnIMuZBlQscissors beat paper, paper beat rock, rock beat wingsuit - KarlM Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shropshire 0 #68 January 16, 2009 Nice one pilot (oh and the rest of the crew, who hardly get a mention) - for doing you job (.)Y(.) Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FreeflyChile 0 #69 January 16, 2009 QuoteMost interesting photo I've seen yet: http://www.flickr.com/photos/gregorylam/3200086900/sizes/l/ "OK, everybody; Grab an oar and start paddling!" wow. he really landed smack in the middle of the river. with no power beggars can't be choosers! seriously though, incredible job of flying by that guy. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
matthewcline 0 #70 January 16, 2009 http://www.military.com/news/article/river-landing-pilot-flew-f4s-for-af.html?col=1186032310810 Here is an article on him. MattAn Instructors first concern is student safety. So, start being safe, first!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Pinna 0 #71 January 16, 2009 Anybody think he was shooting for the Intrepid as an alternate?An amazing job done by pilot, crew and rescuers. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 622 #72 January 16, 2009 nah - he was Air Force! Them boys don't know to look for a bird farm! can someone comment on how the hydraulics are powered on an A320? I'm curious how much effort/work it took to get that bird down....can you imagine how busy that cockpit was the last few minutes??? Muscle memory! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pilotdave 0 #73 January 16, 2009 Quotecan someone comment on how the hydraulics are powered on an A320? I'm curious how much effort/work it took to get that bird down....can you imagine how busy that cockpit was the last few minutes??? Muscle memory! The A320 is a fly by wire aircraft. If you lose hydraulics, you lose control. There's no backup control cables or anything. As best as I can tell (someone can correct me if I'm wrong), the A320 has 3 hydraulic systems. Two are powered by engine driven hydraulic pumps and the 3rd is driven by an electric motor. Each engine has an AC generator, which of course would fail with the engines as would the hydraulic pumps. But there's a ram-air turbine that will deploy when both AC generators come offline. So I'm guessing the aircraft senses a loss of electrical power, automatically deploys the ram-air turbine, and keeps power coming to hydraulic system #3. It also seems to have 2 batteries... guessing they hold up the flight control computers during the switchover. Or maybe they run the APU continuously. That would provide hydraulic and electrical power. Don't know if it's shut off during flight or not. But I could be wrong! Dave Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
akarunway 1 #74 January 16, 2009 Quotenah - he was Air Force! Them boys don't know to look for a bird farm! can someone comment on how the hydraulics are powered on an A320? I'm curious how much effort/work it took to get that bird down....can you imagine how busy that cockpit was the last few minutes??? Muscle memory!http://www.aviationearth.com/aircraftdata/a320.htmlI hold it true, whate'er befall; I feel it, when I sorrow most; 'Tis better to have loved and lost Than never to have loved at all. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,400 #75 January 16, 2009 IIRC the APU is also capable of powering all three. And since there was no systemic problem with the hydraulic systems or fuel, the APU should have been available. Also it may be possible that the aircraft's engines were still running but not delivering enough power to maintain flight. (i.e. fan damage.) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites