dannydan 0 #101 January 17, 2009 interestimg Jeff! Im sure you read the summery on the right? a TOTAL of 69 peeps on that 767.... Good grief! now we know why the fuel prices are so damn high/fluctuate so much!!! I wonder if AirCan has uPdated their fleet with some puddle jumpers and or regionals... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Beerlight 0 #102 January 17, 2009 If he had worked it into Teterboro safely, then I think his previous glider experience would've shown. However, just putting it down on a relatively long, straight river that was in his field of view, then I think in this case his glider experience wasn't as much of a factor or help over a pilot w/ non-glider experience...... Awesome display of airmanship on the crews part.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rookie120 0 #103 January 17, 2009 QuoteIf he had worked it into Teterboro safely, Nice monday morning quarterbacking there. If you look around Teterboro you either hit the airport or buildings. You have no other outs. From the sounds of it he had no time, alititude, or airspeed so his hands were tied.If you find yourself in a fair fight, your tactics suck! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jeffwxyz 0 #104 January 17, 2009 When the shit hit the fan, I read that they were only up to 3200 feet. Another post suggested that these planes have a glide ratio of (maybe) 16 to 18:1 Thats 10.9 miles at best. Now put some flaps down so you don't have to land in the river at 250 kts. I am sure the glide ratio gets a lot shorter. A real glider has a glide ratio of 40:1. Also, keep in mind when you loose power like this: Step 1, nose down, maintain airspeed. So you are going to start loosing altitude right away. To make it worse, the pilot may "waste" altitude while trying to settle in to the best glide. With only 3200 feet, the best glide is not really going to be found. This is on top of talking on the radio, informing the cabin crew and passengers, and changing the planes configuration. In that first 15 seconds, there is a lot of shit to do. So, you can't blame them if thy loose a few hundred extra feet. The pilot did the right thing. This is no different than when a skydiver has to land out. If he passes up prime landing areas to try and get home, then gets injured or killed, people wonder why he was trying to get home so bad. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Beerlight 0 #105 January 17, 2009 Quote Quote If he had worked it into Teterboro safely, Nice monday morning quarterbacking there. If you look around Teterboro you either hit the airport or buildings. You have no other outs. From the sounds of it he had no time, alititude, or airspeed so his hands were tied. How'd you know I was a quarterback?! What I stated (IMHO dude), is it did not take a glider pilot (or one with glider experience) to put it down in that river....... read my post. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SuFantasma 0 #106 January 17, 2009 Quoteamazing job of setting her down in the river that smooth! Yep, officially renamed : US WATERWAYSY yo, pa' vivir con miedo, prefiero morir sonriendo, con el recuerdo vivo". - Ruben Blades, "Adan Garcia" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Beerlight 0 #107 January 17, 2009 totally agree. the pilot did exactly the right thing. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 1,623 #108 January 17, 2009 Quotetotally agree. the pilot did exactly the right thing. I'm sure some plaintiffs' lawyers will disagree with that statement.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dannydan 0 #109 January 17, 2009 QuoteQuotetotally agree. the pilot did exactly the right thing. I'm sure some plaintiffs' lawyers will disagree with that statement. I know at my age of 47 that ANYTHING is possible... But John do you think that there is going to some sort of civil action the air carrier and or the pilot/creW? As far as the few posts about our about not needing to be a glider pilot/expeirence to be able to land it, I am just referring to Sullys 15-90 SECONDS of knowing RIGHT THEN that he was not going to make it back to LAG or TET because you can see his DECISION making in the flight path... and the WAY he laid that bus on the water... I believe that is why his time in a glider is what helped him here. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SuFantasma 0 #110 January 17, 2009 Quote Quote Quote If he had worked it into Teterboro safely, Nice monday morning quarterbacking there. If you look around Teterboro you either hit the airport or buildings. You have no other outs. From the sounds of it he had no time, alititude, or airspeed so his hands were tied. How'd you know I was a quarterback?! What I stated (IMHO dude), is it did not take a glider pilot (or one with glider experience) to put it down in that river....... read my post. What's the big deal, everyone of us lands without engines every single time ! Ok, he was a tandem master with some 169 thrill-seekeres on board.... So, he didn't pound-in the students..... THAT's WHY HE IS IN THE COCKPIT... yes, it was very good job... lets move on Y yo, pa' vivir con miedo, prefiero morir sonriendo, con el recuerdo vivo". - Ruben Blades, "Adan Garcia" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BillyVance 34 #111 January 20, 2009 Quote Quote totally agree. the pilot did exactly the right thing. I'm sure some plaintiffs' lawyers will disagree with that statement. Yeah, because now they missed out on millions that they could have reaped in lawsuits had the plane crashed elsewhere and killed everybody. "Mediocre people don't like high achievers, and high achievers don't like mediocre people." - SIX TIME National Champion coach Nick Saban Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
livendive 8 #112 February 5, 2009 NTSB has released the radio transmission tape. Knowing the outcome, the ATC's constant steering toward runways made me laugh. http://www.avweb.com/podcast/podcast/AudioPodcast_USAirwaysFlight1549_Audio_199716-1.html?kw=HomePage Blues, Dave "I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!" (drink Mountain Dew) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
futuredivot 0 #113 February 5, 2009 yeah, I adopted a whole different attitude about tower advice about 30 seconds after meeting PsychoBob You are only as strong as the prey you devour Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites