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Do AFF jm's ever pull the reserve for a student. For instance mr. Lutz. JM sees he pulls his cutaway. Should he pull his reserve too or is that always the responsibily of the student. I say its the responsibilty of the student and the JM should leave it alone.
What should the Jm have done if he saw
the Lutz-guy pulling his cutaway. I don't think JM saw him do that but what if he did...Opening his main chute wouldn;t make sense anymore..
I was not trained on AFF, but I do know that there is a reserve side JM. Its his job to pull the reserve if something is wrong is the main. I believe that the reason he isn't chasing after this student is because his job is over once he sees the main start to deploy, which it did.
Also, the main side JM did the correct thing by pulling the handle, even if he saw the student pull the cutaway, so that the students RSL should have pulled the reserve. I think perhaps the students rig didn't have an RSL, or it didn't work.
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Fab 0
SO whats your saying if main didn't deploy after being pulled and stays in rig...second jm pulls the reserve? I Don't think so...What about the cutaway pillow then..???
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I doubt very much that that nugget Lutz was trained (in error) to pull his cutaway rather than his main and to wrestle to JM who was trying to guide his hand to the ripcord. Thats pure stupidity.
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JDBoston 0
I would try not to make a habit of that twisting thing (without knowing the exact movement you're describing, of course) - you generally want to be as symmetrical as possible right after you deploy.
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Joe
QuoteIMHO, it's usually a better idea to get the pilot chute OUT of your burble than it is to do something that's almost guaranteed to give you line twists on a non-student wing-loading.
I would try not to make a habit of that twisting thing (without knowing the exact movement you're describing, of course) - you generally want to be as symmetrical as possible right after you deploy.
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Sorry, I worded it wrong (i'm doing that alot lately!). When I say 'Twist' I mean looking over my shoulder, which i woude say twists my body a bit?
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McG 0
We just had got rid of the old Para-Commanders and other round canopies, so we were really proud of our new square Mantas and Raiders. -Then that dumb student suggested that the sharp corners of the canopies could be more round... He claimed they might be easier to handle then!
Later on when he tried the stall and got freaked out, he came with another even more stupid idea: There should be some covers on the tunnels, like air-locks which prevent the air running out of the canopy, so it wouldn´t stall that easy!
The best is yet to come: The same jackass suggested that landing could be more fun if jumpers had inline skates and they landed on the runway!
Oh my, oh my... You can guess we experienced jumpers laughed our asses off...
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cesslon 0
long time fan bout to become a jumper im booked in for october 11th to start my aff course , anyway
Quotesuggested that landing could be more fun if jumpers had inline skates and they landed on the runway!
whats wrong with his idea ?
apart from you would probably have to be very experienced and could run into a plane lol ?
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WrongWay 0
Few years ago, back in my student days, I went through my ground school after doing my 4 tandems. During this time, we did practice stuff on the ground with throwout pc's, naturally. When I did my tandems, I had a ripcord. Big difference between the two. Well, we got in the air, the dive couldn't have gone better (really it was great, i have video) until pull time. I grab my pilot chute, and for some stupid reason, think "ripcord". That's right kids, I held onto my pilot chute. No shit, there I was, thought I was gonna die, with nothing above my head, thinking I had a total mal. I let go of the "ripcord" to go for my cutaway and POOF, canopy. Needless to say, I was the ass of more than a few jokes on the ground, and I always tell new students now "Trust me, you could have done dumber things." I still watch the video sometimes just to have a good laugh. It's in slow-mo at that point, hahaha!!!!
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Few years ago, back in my student days, I went through my ground school after doing my 4 tandems. During this time, we did practice stuff on the ground with throwout pc's, naturally. When I did my tandems, I had a ripcord. Big difference between the two. Well, we got in the air, the dive couldn't have gone better (really it was great, i have video) until pull time. I grab my pilot chute, and for some stupid reason, think "ripcord". That's right kids, I held onto my pilot chute. No shit, there I was, thought I was gonna die, with nothing above my head, thinking I had a total mal. I let go of the "ripcord" to go for my cutaway and POOF, canopy. Needless to say, I was the ass of more than a few jokes on the ground, and I always tell new students now "Trust me, you could have done dumber things." I still watch the video sometimes just to have a good laugh. It's in slow-mo at that point, hahaha!!!!
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On the ground my AFF instructor made me put out my hand and she smacked it and said "Don't ever do that again, you scared the shit out of me."
If it's true what they say that the worst students make the best instructors, I'll be the God of instructors once I get my ratings.
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The next 2 go, one lands fine the other never unstows his brakes until about 1000 ft even though he can hear the radio and is now waaaaaay downwind at this point and holding. He lands off the dropzone in a tree ONLY because he said he COULDN'T make it to the power lines. WTF. I didn't teach the class so I talked to the other 2 students to make sure that obstacles were covered and they knew not to land in the power lines or trees so the other guy must have been asleep.
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dmitch31 0
QuoteMaybe a super-Lutz could even screw that situation up though, like maybe disconnect the leg and chest straps and fall out of the harness, because he thought they were deployment handles.
Oh my gosh, you are slayin' me man! Definitely ROFL!!! What I wanna know is, How did this guy get through law school. I mean REALLY???!?
Yeah I see your point. I was picturing the skydiver going stand up while deploying. But me personally would hope to be flat on deployment of anything. I ALWAYS twist my body slightly on opening to get some air into the potential burble.
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