DB Cooper

[georger 197]

RobertMBlevins

Georger says in part:

Quote

'On the one hand you claim your husband was the criminal DB
Cooper.

On the other hand you admit trying to contact and even
socialise with victims in the crime, to help and befriend you! ???

That has to rank as a gross impropriety of the first order.
Not to mention possible crimes including witness tampering.

Or maybe your thirst for social attention and friendship belies
the fact you know Duane was not DB Cooper, so you are free
to contact the victims and witnesses in the crime?

Why on Earth would Tina Mucklow ever want to contact you?
By all accounts she is trying to shield herself from the hijacking.
Why would Mucklow contact the wife of the person who ruined
her life? You might be as great a threat as Duane/Cooper was
@!! Or even a larger threat if you were part of a conspiracy to
hijack.

The Justice Dept could very easily have obtained an injunction
against you to stop your interference, contacts, et cetera had
anyone actually believed Duane (your husband) was DB Cooper.

And yet you threw caution to the wind and all concerns likewise
and persisted, and continue to persist.

It certainly is a contradiction in terms...'

You might have a point about contact because Jo is/was related to the possible hijacker, but the rest of your statements are not fully accurate.

For one thing, witness tampering usually only applies to people who have been previously subpoened, and are due to appear as a witness in a court case. None of the surviving crew of Flight 305 fit that criteria. You've heard of the paparazzi...relentless reporters, etc? Those are not criminal acts generally, just annoying. And these people can just say 'no comment' if they choose not to respond. But there is no rule saying you can't try to question them.

In your world, reporters should never ask questions of witnesses when investigating a story, or an allegation.

Since Cooper left very little physical evidence, the only way the case will ever be solved is to seek out possible witnesses, get their testimony, and then VERIFY that testimony. You aren't going to discover the truth through maps, going over the transcripts, or any of that. The most likely scenario is that Cooper jumped somewhere in SW Washington, got away with it, but that TODAY in 2013 you will have to find witnesses who know the truth. Because unless someone discovers a body (he died) or a buried chute that matches the one used, (he lived) the truth will always escape you. There are many variables in the case, but on one point I am absolutely certain: That someone out there knows the truth on who DB Cooper actually WAS. Sure, it is an opinion. But I feel strongly that somewhere along the line either Cooper had help, or others he knew were also aware of his crime. This doesn't necessarily mean Christiansen, but ANYBODY. SOMEONE KNOWS.

FYI: If Tina Mucklow chooses not to discuss the case, she has NOT singled out Jo for that. Mucklow has refused comment to a fair number of people already, or claimed she remembered little about the night of the hijacking.

SIDE NOTE: Because it's the 50th anniversary of the JFK assassination, many cable channels have been running programs. I was nine when JFK was killed, and attending parochial school in Roseburg, Oregon. We wore the uniforms, etc. We had just moved there from Guam.

Mother Superior comes into the classroom. She is crying. She says the President has been shot, and that he is dead. Everyone broke down, of course. Even our teacher. School was dismissed. I went home and watched Cronkite like everyone else. Later that evening, I went to a special Mass said for the President that was held at the church next door to the school.

Everything was sort of different after that...

Well... you would be promoting that point of view, because:

1. you have never tested your theory legally! Yours is a cheap
bar-room opinion.
2. you want to claim yourself a 'reporter' because you want that
advantage/protection for the shit you do!
3. you have a candidate and evidence you claim is germane to
the case with a financial interest to protect...
4. you like making things up ... but also want deniability!
5. you have no idea who Tina has refused or not refused to talk
to! Again you just love making shit up within the small window of
your knowledge ...
6. . . .

I could care less about your pre-puberty JFK experience.

[skyjack71 0]

Quote

On the one hand you claim your husband was the criminal DB
Cooper.

On the other hand you admit trying to contact and even
socialise with victims in the crime, to help and befriend you! ???

That has to rank as a gross impropriety of the first order.
Not to mention possible crimes including witness tampering.

Or maybe your thirst for social attention and friendship belies
the fact you know Duane was not DB Cooper, so you are free
to contact the victims and witnesses in the crime?

Well, Georger your post does not deserve an answer.

You do NOT think in REAL LIFE terms. Duane confessed to a crime. I did the right thing and contacted the FBI...but in less than 2 yrs. they sent a letter dismissing him based ONLY on prints. I was threaten NOT once, but TWICE on the phone - from individuals who Duane had associations with!


The more I learned about the crime, the more - I realized I already had knowledge of a great deal of it. Duane had told me about his life in 3rd person...but at that time I had no confirmation until about 3 yrs ago when the Treasure Island Arrest was made available to me in this thread.

Well lots of OTHER things started to FALL into place. You have NO idea how many contacts I have had with STRANGE individuals from the past of Weber. I could have ended up fish bait off the East Coast. I was naive - had NO idea his old friends might have just been trying to find out HOW Much I knew.

I had been dealing with the inept FBI for over 9 yrs before I contacted TINA. I had NO place else to turn. I felt she spent the most time with him and if anyone could ID Cooper it would be Tina. You do NOTE even after I was provided a contact I did NOT pounce on it like "others" have done.

I didn't know how to approach her - it was difficult for me and it was difficult for her - I knew she had with drawn from society as I did myself after the FBI dissed me & did NOT even HEAR one word I had told them.

Evidently Tina felt I was also a victim as she had been. I didn't run out my door when I realized who DAN COOPER - was - I picked up the phone and called the FBI and accepted the things they told me for almost 5 yrs..but, too much was coming up the FBI ignored. If I had learned What I did before DUANE DIED - I would have turned him in on his deathbed.

I have been as much a victim as Tina - The knowledge that I was married to a man who had done this - was tearing me apart. I went thru all of the normal processes - of doubt and fear (you know I was threaten more than ONE time)! I have a feeling you perhaps do NOT believe this. I survived an auto crash - and considering the circumstance at that time - I was scared. Other things happened I do NOT talk about...causing me to with withdraw - such as the FBI agent who I had a contract with on a house I had listed - suddenly DID NOT WANT me TO GET ANY COMMISSION.

I did NOT go right out and barge in on or swamp Tina - I considered what she had been thru. Why when I did contact her - it was a NICE letter written with as few words as possible - I sent NO pictures.

I had her phone number and yet I wrote to her! SHE did NOT have to respond~ right? I also could have gone to OR when I was out West in 2010.

She was able to sense suffering - because she has suffered. I have always been grateful for that phone call. The most important thing she said was "He was a very SAD man". Then when I tell the thread this - CARR puts it into the FBI SITE. NOW that pissed me! If you want to come down on someone for being rude or circumventing a witness - look no further than an FBI agent by the name of CARR. HELL that damn agent had NO idea if I was lieing or not! Yet, they PUT it into their Web site!

Since I had that one contact with her - there was NO reason for anyone to try prevent me from contacting her. Galen Cook and Bruce SMITH went way too far and they did NOT even say "I'm Sorry".
I have never spoke to Florence and I have spoke to the co-pilot as many others have done.

There are those who come to this thread and who had absolutely nothing to do with a subject or witness - other than to have ENQUIRER mentality. I know what Galen did, but have you ever seen me write about it. Why don't you ask Galen what HE DID - not what BRUCE did!

The other contacts was to leave a message from the co-pilot and to warn her about Bruce and what he was doing.

If I had repeated unwanted contact - that would have been one thing. DO NOT CRITICIZE me for looking for answers...in the only way I could. THIS WAS PERSONAL & I was not a reporter or a writer. THE FBI had not done it! THEY took one stupid pic - which is the only pic they EVER USED of WEBER and one that was warped and looked nothing like Weber.

P.S. THE witness were NEVER shown the Jefferson composite! Just ONE stupid photo the brother had scanned - that is ALL they were shown...and I understand that is all they are using at the museum. A photo that looks nothing like the Weber I knew or how he looked in 1971.

I have not been rude nor have I been intrusive - I have 2 daughters of my own...and I asked myself over and over and over - iF Tina had been my daughter and was on that plane how would I feel. I had every reason to show up on her door with picture albums - but I didn't.

THE FBI did not adequately handle the investigation of Weber. One 2 paragraph letter in 1998 and then the AGENT LIED to me on the phone in MARCH of 2000. GIMME a break. They were NOT going to investigate - so I had to do it. I still waited 4 plus yrs before contacting Tina in late 2004 by letter. SHE WAS not obligated to contact me. I also included a donation for whatever charity she chose - She could have called me collect but she didn't.

SO MR GEORGER - I was NOT invasive. You are a VERY poor judge of character. At that time I did not discuss the picture of the little girl - but wish I had done so. IT would have been one less thing I would have had to dealt with.

I could have stuck a copy in the an envelope and sent it to her - and a copy of the book - but, I didn't!

How many people would have or did stopped where I did. She had my phone number and she knew she could call collect - I left it up to her! NOW if you knew a big ole BEAR was hungry and roaming for a morsel - would you not have called out a warning. Well, I did when I found out what the BEAR was up to and whose door he was going to knock on - he had already knocked on Tina's...but, I had no knowledge of that until after the fact.

Remember this - the man in MOBIL was a VERY DANGEROUS man! Yet, I staged an incident in his area on my way home from Lousiana after visiting a friend there. He was nice, but warned me a second time NOT to dig into Duane's past. The first threat was NOT that nice. His words "If you want to be around to play with your grandkid".

So what the HELL was Duane involved with? Ever think I already know the answers. YOU know I do and if you haven't figured that out yet - you aren't very bright! You are fishing right now! Kissy Kissy!

No one mentions Cossey anymore.
Perhaps Cossey got tired of the games and maybe that is why he is no longer among the living! Random murder by attempted robbery - you know I do NOT believe for one moment Cossey was that careless. He was killed by someone he knew!

Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

[georger 197]

skyjack71

Quote

On the one hand you claim your husband was the criminal DB
Cooper.

On the other hand you admit trying to contact and even
socialise with victims in the crime, to help and befriend you! ???

That has to rank as a gross impropriety of the first order.
Not to mention possible crimes including witness tampering.

Or maybe your thirst for social attention and friendship belies
the fact you know Duane was not DB Cooper, so you are free
to contact the victims and witnesses in the crime?

Well, Georger your post does not deserve an answer.

You do NOT think in REAL LIFE terms. Duane confessed to a crime. I did the right thing and contacted the FBI...but in less than 2 yrs. they sent a letter dismissing him based ONLY on prints. I was threaten NOT once, but TWICE on the phone - from individuals who Duane had associations with!


The more I learned about the crime, the more - I realized I already had knowledge of a great deal of it. Duane had told me about his life in 3rd person...but at that time I had no confirmation until about 3 yrs ago when the Treasure Island Arrest was made available to me in this thread.

Well lots of OTHER things started to FALL into place. You have NO idea how many contacts I have had with STRANGE individuals from the past of Weber. I could have ended up fish bait off the East Coast. I was naive - had NO idea his old friends might have just been trying to find out HOW Much I knew.

I had been dealing with the inept FBI for over 9 yrs before I contacted TINA. I had NO place else to turn. I felt she spent the most time with him and if anyone could ID Cooper it would be Tina. You do NOTE even after I was provided a contact I did NOT pounce on it like "others" have done.

I didn't know how to approach her - it was difficult for me and it was difficult for her - I knew she had with drawn from society as I did myself after the FBI dissed me & did NOT even HEAR one word I had told them.

Evidently Tina felt I was also a victim as she had been. I didn't run out my door when I realized who DAN COOPER - was - I picked up the phone and called the FBI and accepted the things they told me for almost 5 yrs..but, too much was coming up the FBI ignored. If I had learned What I did before DUANE DIED - I would have turned him in on his deathbed.

I have been as much a victim as Tina - The knowledge that I was married to a man who had done this - was tearing me apart. I went thru all of the normal processes - of doubt and fear (you know I was threaten more than ONE time)! I have a feeling you perhaps do NOT believe this. I survived an auto crash - and considering the circumstance at that time - I was scared. Other things happened I do NOT talk about...causing me to with withdraw - such as the FBI agent who I had a contract with on a house I had listed - suddenly DID NOT WANT me TO GET ANY COMMISSION.

I did NOT go right out and barge in on or swamp Tina - I considered what she had been thru. Why when I did contact her - it was a NICE letter written with as few words as possible - I sent NO pictures.

I had her phone number and yet I wrote to her! SHE did NOT have to respond~ right? I also could have gone to OR when I was out West in 2010.

She was able to sense suffering - because she has suffered. I have always been grateful for that phone call. The most important thing she said was "He was a very SAD man". Then when I tell the thread this - CARR puts it into the FBI SITE. NOW that pissed me! If you want to come down on someone for being rude or circumventing a witness - look no further than an FBI agent by the name of CARR. HELL that damn agent had NO idea if I was lieing or not! Yet, they PUT it into their Web site!

Since I had that one contact with her - there was NO reason for anyone to try prevent me from contacting her. Galen Cook and Bruce SMITH went way too far and they did NOT even say "I'm Sorry".
I have never spoke to Florence and I have spoke to the co-pilot as many others have done.

There are those who come to this thread and who had absolutely nothing to do with a subject or witness - other than to have ENQUIRER mentality. I know what Galen did, but have you ever seen me write about it. Why don't you ask Galen what HE DID - not what BRUCE did!

The other contacts was to leave a message from the co-pilot and to warn her about Bruce and what he was doing.

If I had repeated unwanted contact - that would have been one thing. DO NOT CRITICIZE me for looking for answers...in the only way I could. THIS WAS PERSONAL & I was not a reporter or a writer. THE FBI had not done it! THEY took one stupid pic - which is the only pic they EVER USED of WEBER and one that was warped and looked nothing like Weber.

P.S. THE witness were NEVER shown the Jefferson composite! Just ONE stupid photo the brother had scanned - that is ALL they were shown...and I understand that is all they are using at the museum. A photo that looks nothing like the Weber I knew or how he looked in 1971.

I have not been rude nor have I been intrusive - I have 2 daughters of my own...and I asked myself over and over and over - iF Tina had been my daughter and was on that plane how would I feel. I had every reason to show up on her door with picture albums - but I didn't.

THE FBI did not adequately handle the investigation of Weber. One 2 paragraph letter in 1998 and then the AGENT LIED to me on the phone in MARCH of 2000. GIMME a break. They were NOT going to investigate - so I had to do it. I still waited 4 plus yrs before contacting Tina in late 2004 by letter. SHE WAS not obligated to contact me. I also included a donation for whatever charity she chose - She could have called me collect but she didn't.

SO MR GEORGER - I was NOT invasive. You are a VERY poor judge of character. At that time I did not discuss the picture of the little girl - but wish I had done so. IT would have been one less thing I would have had to dealt with.

I could have stuck a copy in the an envelope and sent it to her - and a copy of the book - but, I didn't!

How many people would have or did stopped where I did. She had my phone number and she knew she could call collect - I left it up to her! NOW if you knew a big ole BEAR was hungry and roaming for a morsel - would you not have called out a warning. Well, I did when I found out what the BEAR was up to and whose door he was going to knock on - he had already knocked on Tina's...but, I had no knowledge of that until after the fact.

Remember this - the man in MOBIL was a VERY DANGEROUS man! Yet, I staged an incident in his area on my way home from Lousiana after visiting a friend there. He was nice, but warned me a second time NOT to dig into Duane's past. The first threat was NOT that nice. His words "If you want to be around to play with your grandkid".

So what the HELL was Duane involved with? Ever think I already know the answers. YOU know I do and if you haven't figured that out yet - you aren't very bright! You are fishing right now! Kissy Kissy!

No one mentions Cossey anymore.
Perhaps Cossey got tired of the games and maybe that is why he is no longer among the living! Random murder by attempted robbery - you know I do NOT believe for one moment Cossey was that careless. He was killed by someone he knew!

What was Duaner involved with you ask?

ANSWER: Duaner was involved with ... YOU!

And now YOU are here!

That is the only truth that matters!

Please dont play it again, Sam.

Find a new project/victims.

NO SALE! PLEASE PLY YOUR TRADE ELSEWHERE!

[Robert99 37]

skyjack71

Well, Georger your post does not deserve an answer.

Jo,

After writing the above quote, you then continue on for THREE PAGES taking your customary digs at the FBI, Galen Cook, Bruce Smith, Georger and everyone else on this thread (which is ever body) who disagrees with you.

Plus, you tell the police working the Cossey murder where they are screwing up.

Jo, you are a perfect example of why men would rather date divorcees than widows. The divorcees know that their ex-husband was just a no-good s.o.b.. On the other hand, widows think their late husband was a saint even if he was a bigger s.o.b. than any divorcees ex-husband.

Jo, you haven't learned a single thing about life since you were in the second grade.

Robert99

[MarkBennett 5]

Hey,
Next Friday, Geoff Gray is giving a talk at the DB Cooper Exhibit at the Washington State History Museum in Tacoma. Saturday is the symposium there, and Ariel is also Saturday.

I'm planning on going to all of those. Who else from here is going? It would be fun to meet up with any of you from here who are going.

[EVickiW 0]

MarkBennett

Hey,
Next Friday, Geoff Gray is giving a talk at the DB Cooper Exhibit at the Washington State History Museum in Tacoma. Saturday is the symposium there, and Ariel is also Saturday.

I'm planning on going to all of those. Who else from here is going? It would be fun to meet up with any of you from here who are going.

Here here!!! Yes....I will be for all three....in addition to the Swiss Pub on Friday night...

Melvin Luther Wilson - Missing Person since September 1971:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=03QLnFvk8Fs

[BruceSmith 3]

EVickiW

***Hey,
Next Friday, Geoff Gray is giving a talk at the DB Cooper Exhibit at the Washington State History Museum in Tacoma. Saturday is the symposium there, and Ariel is also Saturday.

I'm planning on going to all of those. Who else from here is going? It would be fun to meet up with any of you from here who are going.

Here here!!! Yes....I will be for all three....in addition to the Swiss Pub on Friday night...

Reply:

I'll be there, along with Meyer Louie. Plus, Robb Heady is flying in for the whole shin-dig. The Formans, too.

I trust Sail will be there, as well. Others?

[ParrotheadVol 70]

They should set up a webcam so those of us who won't be there could see it.

Bruce, I'm thinking I may want to give your book a read. I was going to wait until it was published and buy it - which I will still do -but that is longer than I wish to wait.

I'll shoot you an email in the next day or two if that's ok.

Thanks

"They were saying he was never gonna make it now, now that daylight had set in. But later that night, they were shining those lights back down on that mountain again." - Todd Snider

[BruceSmith 3]

ParrotheadVol

They should set up a webcam so those of us who won't be there could see it.

Bruce, I'm thinking I may want to give your book a read. I was going to wait until it was published and buy it - which I will still do -but that is longer than I wish to wait.

I'll shoot you an email in the next day or two if that's ok.

Thanks

Reply:

Happy to send you a digital copy. When it comes out in print you can always buy fifty copies and give them away as presents! Weddings! Birthdays! Divorces! Graduations!

[ParrotheadVol 70]

Quote

Happy to send you a digital copy. When it comes out in print you can always buy fifty copies and give them away as presents! Weddings! Birthdays! Divorces! Graduations!

With all due respect, if I bought 50 copies, I could give one to myself in honor of my own divorce!

"They were saying he was never gonna make it now, now that daylight had set in. But later that night, they were shining those lights back down on that mountain again." - Todd Snider

[BruceSmith 3]

ParrotheadVol

Quote

Happy to send you a digital copy. When it comes out in print you can always buy fifty copies and give them away as presents! Weddings! Birthdays! Divorces! Graduations!

With all due respect, if I bought 50 copies, I could give one to myself in honor of my own divorce!

Reply:

Well, then Parrot, let me give you a digital copy as a celebatory gesture to honor your divorce! This way, when the book comes out in print you will have an extra copy to give to your ex.

BTW: She might enjoy the opening line of my book, which reads:

"My ex didn't want me to write this book."

[MarkBennett 5]

RobertMBlevins

***Hey,
Next Friday, Geoff Gray is giving a talk at the DB Cooper Exhibit at the Washington State History Museum in Tacoma. Saturday is the symposium there, and Ariel is also Saturday.

I'm planning on going to all of those. Who else from here is going? It would be fun to meet up with any of you from here who are going.

I think I mentioned this already, but I have to skip the events this year. Family is coming for Thanksgiving and I have something else planned for afterward. If any of you wish to question Geoff Gray on how he came to the idea that Kenny C bought his house for cash, or at least put a 50% down on it, email me at adventurebooksofseattle AT Gmail Dot Frickin' Com and I will send you all the available documents related to the sale. I will provide them in suitable resolution so you can print them up. I suggest making copies and taking them with you to the symposium. Suggestion: If you have a vid-cam, bring one. Failing that, maybe a voice recorder at least. Always get people on the record...
NOTE: I messaged Gray about a month ago and sent him these same documents. I also told him he might get questions about them at his symposium appearance...so he should be prepared to answer any questions. He did respond to my email on that, and thanked me for the docs. I did NOT ask him The Question though. (about the house) I thought this was better for someone to do in person, rather than through an email. Good luck.

Since we're on the subject of Geoff Gray and this claim by him, which appeared both in his NYM article in 2007, and in the 2010 book, I want to clarify something here. I have NOT been able to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that Kenny paid cash for the house. In fact, I have come to a different theory. And it IS a theory. I believe Kenny took on a mortgage from the Grimes' couple roughly equal to half the value of the house, and then paid the remainder in cash under-the-table.

One thing I CAN prove though, is that Kenny lent Dawn Andrusko, sister of alleged accomplice Bernie Geestman, five thousand dollars in cash in April of 1972. On the matter of the house, (like many other people) I took Geoff Gray's word on that. I had no reason to doubt he was accurate. He is a respected writer who at the time of his initial claim, had formerly worked with the New York Times. When he re-interated this statement about KC's house in his book three years later, I still had no reason to doubt him. We never had direct communication until after Skyjack came out and he opened the website for it.

So...maybe someone should ask him HOW he determined his claims on the house. Someone neutral, I suggest. ParrotVol? EVicki? A reporter from the Tacoma News Tribune maybe? Sure, why not.

Bruce Smith says in part:

Quote

'Happy to send you a digital copy. When it comes out in print you can always buy fifty copies and give them away as presents! Weddings! Birthdays! Divorces! Graduations!..'

Giving away your book to any and all comers smacks of desperation. And as I've warned you about before, if a traditional publisher picks up your book, they aren't going to like it that you handed out unedited copies. The reason being that EVERYONE gets edited when a traditional house accepts your work. Stephen King gets edited. Trust me on this.

You should have taken my advice and opened a free Digital Publishing account at Amazon and released it for the Kindle. You'd already be making money on it. What you are doing now is selling the idea of the book by giving it away, which seldom works.

And then later...if you get picked up...a lot of folks will be comparing the one you gave away to the one that is actually in print. I would NOT tell potential publishers that you have been doing that. Many will reject you based on that alone. Better to do a final edit, add your pictures, format the Word doc for the Kindle...and start selling it. Since you won't be adding an ISBN to the book, this will not hurt you with publishers. They don't mind if you release it digitally, they just hate it when there is a previous ISBN assigned because it's a global record that never goes away and causes confustion and lost sales. They may even see the Kindle version and offer to pick it up for print.

It's either that...or you can go the Lulu.com route, which is a total loser.

Recommended book for you: The Idiot's Guide to Getting Published, by Jennifer Basye Sander. It's been through several editions and still sells well for good reason.

Robert,
I'm happy to ask Geoff that question, so I'll send you an email and you can send me the documents. I went back and found Geoff's New Yorker article and skimmed the book and didn't see where Geoff made claims based on Kenny spending a bunch more money after the hijacking. If you can find page numbers (at least in the book, since it was written later than the article), I'll quote him and ask him directly.

[georger 197]

MarkBennett

******Hey,
Next Friday, Geoff Gray is giving a talk at the DB Cooper Exhibit at the Washington State History Museum in Tacoma. Saturday is the symposium there, and Ariel is also Saturday.

I'm planning on going to all of those. Who else from here is going? It would be fun to meet up with any of you from here who are going.

I think I mentioned this already, but I have to skip the events this year. Family is coming for Thanksgiving and I have something else planned for afterward. If any of you wish to question Geoff Gray on how he came to the idea that Kenny C bought his house for cash, or at least put a 50% down on it, email me at adventurebooksofseattle AT Gmail Dot Frickin' Com and I will send you all the available documents related to the sale. I will provide them in suitable resolution so you can print them up. I suggest making copies and taking them with you to the symposium. Suggestion: If you have a vid-cam, bring one. Failing that, maybe a voice recorder at least. Always get people on the record...
NOTE: I messaged Gray about a month ago and sent him these same documents. I also told him he might get questions about them at his symposium appearance...so he should be prepared to answer any questions. He did respond to my email on that, and thanked me for the docs. I did NOT ask him The Question though. (about the house) I thought this was better for someone to do in person, rather than through an email. Good luck.

Since we're on the subject of Geoff Gray and this claim by him, which appeared both in his NYM article in 2007, and in the 2010 book, I want to clarify something here. I have NOT been able to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that Kenny paid cash for the house. In fact, I have come to a different theory. And it IS a theory. I believe Kenny took on a mortgage from the Grimes' couple roughly equal to half the value of the house, and then paid the remainder in cash under-the-table.

One thing I CAN prove though, is that Kenny lent Dawn Andrusko, sister of alleged accomplice Bernie Geestman, five thousand dollars in cash in April of 1972. On the matter of the house, (like many other people) I took Geoff Gray's word on that. I had no reason to doubt he was accurate. He is a respected writer who at the time of his initial claim, had formerly worked with the New York Times. When he re-interated this statement about KC's house in his book three years later, I still had no reason to doubt him. We never had direct communication until after Skyjack came out and he opened the website for it.

So...maybe someone should ask him HOW he determined his claims on the house. Someone neutral, I suggest. ParrotVol? EVicki? A reporter from the Tacoma News Tribune maybe? Sure, why not.

Bruce Smith says in part:

Quote

'Happy to send you a digital copy. When it comes out in print you can always buy fifty copies and give them away as presents! Weddings! Birthdays! Divorces! Graduations!..'

Giving away your book to any and all comers smacks of desperation. And as I've warned you about before, if a traditional publisher picks up your book, they aren't going to like it that you handed out unedited copies. The reason being that EVERYONE gets edited when a traditional house accepts your work. Stephen King gets edited. Trust me on this.

You should have taken my advice and opened a free Digital Publishing account at Amazon and released it for the Kindle. You'd already be making money on it. What you are doing now is selling the idea of the book by giving it away, which seldom works.

And then later...if you get picked up...a lot of folks will be comparing the one you gave away to the one that is actually in print. I would NOT tell potential publishers that you have been doing that. Many will reject you based on that alone. Better to do a final edit, add your pictures, format the Word doc for the Kindle...and start selling it. Since you won't be adding an ISBN to the book, this will not hurt you with publishers. They don't mind if you release it digitally, they just hate it when there is a previous ISBN assigned because it's a global record that never goes away and causes confustion and lost sales. They may even see the Kindle version and offer to pick it up for print.

It's either that...or you can go the Lulu.com route, which is a total loser.

Recommended book for you: The Idiot's Guide to Getting Published, by Jennifer Basye Sander. It's been through several editions and still sells well for good reason.

Robert,
I'm happy to ask Geoff that question, so I'll send you an email and you can send me the documents. I went back and found Geoff's New Yorker article and skimmed the book and didn't see where Geoff made claims based on Kenny spending a bunch more money after the hijacking. If you can find page numbers (at least in the book, since it was written later than the article), I'll quote him and ask him directly.

Two guesses:
1. Gray made the claims Blevins claims ....
2. Gray did not, make the claims Blevins claims.

3. Blevins will claim later he never made the claim and/or
"I never said that! Reality Hotel LOL!"

This has nothing to do with Gray or with KC. The only
evidence this has to do with is the evidence of a Troll
trolling.

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After writing the above quote, you then continue on for THREE PAGES taking your customary digs at the FBI, Galen Cook, Bruce Smith, Georger and everyone else on this thread (which is ever body) who disagrees with you.

Plus, you tell the police working the Cossey murder where they are screwing up.

Jo, you are a perfect example of why men would rather date divorcees than widows. The divorcees know that their ex-husband was just a no-good s.o.b.. On the other hand, widows think their late husband was a saint even if he was a bigger s.o.b. than any divorcees ex-husband.

Jo, you haven't learned a single thing about life since you were in the second grade.

Robert99


Robert99, that is a very unfair summary....

The FBI did screw up! THAT is a fact that is documented by others and I mean professionals. In 2001 - that JEFFERSON file was NOT available to me or to a private eye or to one to the top researchers of government files.

ONE individual with the proper papers and material - made a special trip to Jefferson after an employee told us what was needed to pick up a copy of the file. He was turned away...saying they didn't have it, yet the employee's whose email address and email copies exchange at the prison and before it was closed - said they had the file...and it would be available. The employee also verified another individual as a resident connected to Duane - was also incarcerated.

NOW - DOES that sound NORMAL.

Yes, I think the authorities are dropping the ball on Cossey. Random crime - they need to look deeper!

I also have the emails that prove Galen is a sneaky snake in the grass...I have a book 4 inches thick to prove it.

YOU shoud know by reading the things Bruce twists around & how he treated Tina & others that I speak the truth about him. YOU will learn the HARD WAY. Do you approve of the way the man treats people and twists things and how he treated Tina and her brother-in-law?

If you know one thing about me - you will know that I tell it like it is. I have never claimed Duane Weber was an angel - far from it! I am well aware of the things he did and that he was a thief and worse. My 17 yr marriage to him was built on lies.

Yes, he was funny and he was a hard worker - he was a criminal. The criminal record and the things you and others state - are enough. I can add thing to the list and they are not all good - but, Duane had NO enemies. Strange isn't it - that he kept contacts with certain individuals.
His best friend had NO idea he was an ex-con.

Duane had 2 specific personalities and I have seen both sides.....but, much of that need not be aired. When I am critical of others such as Bruce and Galen and the FBI - bear in mind - I have documentation.

Bruce is rude and crude and sneaky and pushy in a way that is NOT acceptable to me. That is evident in how he twists words and the questions I answer to which he formulates in his own coercive twisted way.

As for Georger - he just goes with the flow - he can be your friend in one post and then turn on you with the next one. Georger is NOT as privey to the information as he likes to project (my opinion).

Frankly I like Georger because I "get" him. His personality on the thread is one that you have to "get" to understand. I have a friend whose husband is just like that - but I "get" him...

Who is EVERYONE else I supposedly disagree with? I have a right to tell & defend Duane's story & MY story! Yes, as weird as it seems - I loved him, because he was funny, able to always work things out when dealing with business and friends & situations. I knew of NO ONE who thought he was disgusting or dispicalbe person - other than ONE exwife. I am sure there have been others over the yrs. Duane was a problem child and as an adult - it took him a long time to grow up.

Something happened in his life that altered his thinking and his reactions to situation and ALL for the better.

I know only one person who did not like him - infact - people loved him. He would give you the shirt off his back and he gave when he was doing without himself. This is the man I knew!

I also saw another side of Weber that was confusing to me during those last 5 yrs - but that was brought about by the kidney functions - or so I thought.

He could and would and did take a stand to defend others. If he thought someone was in trouble he was there.

If he thought someone was being mistreated or doing wrong - he had a way of handling it and working it out.

He had a way of hiding himself and changing the course in an
acceptable direction for everyone and with humor.

NO one who knew DUANE even imagined he had ever been in prison, much less several. The individuals who I did meet from his past - such as the one who threatened me - seemed to admire and have nothing, but good things to say about him. The people from his past showed him admiration & respect and now I know many of those knew of his past and where part of his past.

When you figure this man out LET me know!

The hostility presented by you was uncalled for...so if you have read this entire post - remember you created it.

By the way - I am a divorcee and I have been widowed twice. Duane was NO angel, but my last husband was!

I miss them both. The first husband was the dirty rotten scoundrel who swindled his friends and family. He never remarried! WHAT does that say about me & two husbands I have out lived?

Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

[Robert99 37]

skyjack71

The first husband was the dirty rotten scoundrel who swindled his friends and family. He never remarried! WHAT does that say about me & two husbands I have out lived?

Jo, You apparently married men who were quite a bit older than you. And the first one apparently involved a lot of bad judgment on your part.

Nevertheless, your only answer to my post was to spend two more pages repeating your original nonsense.

Robert99

[georger 197]

skyjack71

***
After writing the above quote, you then continue on for THREE PAGES taking your customary digs at the FBI, Galen Cook, Bruce Smith, Georger and everyone else on this thread (which is ever body) who disagrees with you.

Plus, you tell the police working the Cossey murder where they are screwing up.

Jo, you are a perfect example of why men would rather date divorcees than widows. The divorcees know that their ex-husband was just a no-good s.o.b.. On the other hand, widows think their late husband was a saint even if he was a bigger s.o.b. than any divorcees ex-husband.

Jo, you haven't learned a single thing about life since you were in the second grade.

Robert99

Robert99, that is a very unfair summary....

The FBI did screw up! THAT is a fact that is documented by others and I mean professionals. In 2001 - that JEFFERSON file was NOT available to me or to a private eye or to one to the top researchers of government files.

ONE individual with the proper papers and material - made a special trip to Jefferson after an employee told us what was needed to pick up a copy of the file. He was turned away...saying they didn't have it, yet the employee's whose email address and email copies exchange at the prison and before it was closed - said they had the file...and it would be available. The employee also verified another individual as a resident connected to Duane - was also incarcerated.

NOW - DOES that sound NORMAL.

Yes, I think the authorities are dropping the ball on Cossey. Random crime - they need to look deeper!

I also have the emails that prove Galen is a sneaky snake in the grass...I have a book 4 inches thick to prove it.

YOU shoud know by reading the things Bruce twists around & how he treated Tina & others that I speak the truth about him. YOU will learn the HARD WAY. Do you approve of the way the man treats people and twists things and how he treated Tina and her brother-in-law?

If you know one thing about me - you will know that I tell it like it is. I have never claimed Duane Weber was an angel - far from it! I am well aware of the things he did and that he was a thief and worse. My 17 yr marriage to him was built on lies.

Yes, he was funny and he was a hard worker - he was a criminal. The criminal record and the things you and others state - are enough. I can add thing to the list and they are not all good - but, Duane had NO enemies. Strange isn't it - that he kept contacts with certain individuals.
His best friend had NO idea he was an ex-con.

Duane had 2 specific personalities and I have seen both sides.....but, much of that need not be aired. When I am critical of others such as Bruce and Galen and the FBI - bear in mind - I have documentation.

Bruce is rude and crude and sneaky and pushy in a way that is NOT acceptable to me. That is evident in how he twists words and the questions I answer to which he formulates in his own coercive twisted way.

As for Georger - he just goes with the flow - he can be your friend in one post and then turn on you with the next one. Georger is NOT as privey to the information as he likes to project (my opinion).

Frankly I like Georger because I "get" him. His personality on the thread is one that you have to "get" to understand. I have a friend whose husband is just like that - but I "get" him...

Who is EVERYONE else I supposedly disagree with? I have a right to tell & defend Duane's story & MY story! Yes, as weird as it seems - I loved him, because he was funny, able to always work things out when dealing with business and friends & situations. I knew of NO ONE who thought he was disgusting or dispicalbe person - other than ONE exwife. I am sure there have been others over the yrs. Duane was a problem child and as an adult - it took him a long time to grow up.

Something happened in his life that altered his thinking and his reactions to situation and ALL for the better.

I know only one person who did not like him - infact - people loved him. He would give you the shirt off his back and he gave when he was doing without himself. This is the man I knew!

I also saw another side of Weber that was confusing to me during those last 5 yrs - but that was brought about by the kidney functions - or so I thought.

He could and would and did take a stand to defend others. If he thought someone was in trouble he was there.

If he thought someone was being mistreated or doing wrong - he had a way of handling it and working it out.

He had a way of hiding himself and changing the course in an
acceptable direction for everyone and with humor.

NO one who knew DUANE even imagined he had ever been in prison, much less several. The individuals who I did meet from his past - such as the one who threatened me - seemed to admire and have nothing, but good things to say about him. The people from his past showed him admiration & respect and now I know many of those knew of his past and where part of his past.

When you figure this man out LET me know!

The hostility presented by you was uncalled for...so if you have read this entire post - remember you created it.

By the way - I am a divorcee and I have been widowed twice. Duane was NO angel, but my last husband was!

I miss them both. The first husband was the dirty rotten scoundrel who swindled his friends and family. He never remarried! WHAT does that say about me & two husbands I have out lived?

Jo, there is literally nothing in your background to connect
you to the DB Cooper case.

The only thing you are a victim of is your own flirtations.

The FBI and everyone else with a brain realised that years ago.

Everything else has been your own victimisation of yourself,
Mrs Cooper! ?

The same can be said for this other Great Pretender -
RobertMBlevins.

[Robert99 37]

RobertMBlevins

Looking above, I see more generalizations and put-downs, and nothing really constructive going. Meh. Whatever.

I have given additional thought to Bruce Smith's book and how he might hit a happy medium in his current effort to have readers review the book, and to possibly interest publishers in it.

First, I think Bruce should cease immediately handing out copies in Word document format. If someone wanted to change the book around, add their own material, and post it up elsewhere as their own...this makes it very easy to do so.

On the other hand, converting the book to a PDF makes this scenario very difficult, as you would have to re-type the whole book to do so. An added bonus is that it is much easier to read a PDF version of a book, than it is to review a Word doc.

This weekend, I will run Bruce's book through Adobe Acrobat and send him the finished product. No editing, just the conversion.

I suggest that Bruce take this PDF and if he wants to make it available to the public for free, just put a cover image up on a page at Mountain News and link the image to a copy of the PDF. ('Click cover to download book')

If possible, Bruce should add a cover image on a single page of the Word Doc at the very front of the book, before the first page of the manuscript. I will wait to see what he has on this before doing any conversion. You can go without a cover, but a cover would be nice.

Another Option: Convert only the first TWO chapters into a PDF as a Preview. Then convert the whole book. Then below the link to the Preview, you insert a message saying the book can be purchased in full for say...five dollars maybe...by PayPal'ing to (insert the email address you use to receive Pay Pal payments here) PayPal allows you to include a short message along with a payment, so you might want to instruct buyers to say WHY they are sending the money. ('I would like a copy of your new book) Then you email them the PDF once you receive payment. You can leave this in place at Mountain News even if you go the Kindle route later.

AB of Seattle supports Bruce Smith's new book completely. We also came up with another way for him to improve sales for now. If the PDF conversions are done, then we can put up a short description of the book, a small cover image, and a link to the preview on our Links and Friends page. Then...when people click on the image, they get the first two chapters. For the rest, we simply link them to the proper page at Mountain News, where the full work can be had by PayPal'ing Bruce directly...
Any of these scenarios beats just handing out the Word document.

EDIT: I've just been informed that because family is coming this week that I have to break out the carpet cleaning machine and do the upstairs offices and the rest of the place as well...(*Crash and burn*) Yuck.

Blevins, Before you start trying to mess up Bruce's book, why don't you do the publishing industry and the real Cooper researchers a great favor and withdraw your own piece of trash from the market.

Even if you are still giving your book away, it just adds more baloney to the Cooper case and some people will be dumb enough to accept your unproven claims as facts.

NOTE TO BRUCE SMITH:

Bruce, don't let Blevins "help" you!

If you need editorial or other journalistic assistance, check out your local writer resources. Perhaps Meyer Louie can put you in touch with someone at his college.

Robert99

[Robert99 37]

RobertMBlevins

And MeyerLouie, although he may be connected at the college where he works...was banned from this site for name-calling.

You figure it out. As far as my editing skills, I need no lessons from you Robert99. I just finished editing my 51st book. Let me know when you reach even close to that type of work and I will sign up for your Correspondence Course in Editing.

Blevins, Your remarks about Meyer Louie have nothing to do with Bruce Smith's book.

Have you ever written ANYTHING that was subjected to a peer review process or ANY kind of serious editing?

Robert99

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RobertMBlevins

But the house and property are definitely worth MORE than ten dollars and the assumption...and KC takes 18 years to pay off a $7,500 loan? Weird, yes.

I don't think the real estate transaction is weird....If we can piece together all of the pieces, it probably makes a lot of sense.

Kenny was a man who bought real estate before and was living in a cheap apartment. He was given an opportunity to buy a house (a house a little bit larger than a trailer, according to Geoff Gray's book). Maybe he didn't have the cash, and the Grimes wanted to sell during the post Boeing bust. So, he assumed the $7500 mortgage and gave the rest in cash or the Grimes carried a promissory note for the rest. I think the "Ten dollars and other consideration" is just boiler plate to avoid having to include the purchase price on the recorded document. I don't know, I'm just putting out a scenario. But, I don't think it's weird.

Maybe that other $5000 story is true, but that's the one that's weird. Why would you lend $5000 to someone you don't know and how did she pay it back in two years? That's a lot of money for a single mother with three kids unless she had a really good job. But, if that's true, why did she have to borrow $5000 from a stranger and not a bank? There has to be a lot more to that story.

Also, I'm happy to ask Geoff about this, but as near as I can tell, he never uses Kenny's real estate expenditures as part of his case. All I could find in his article was this:

"According to property records, Kenny was able to purchase a house and some land. In October 1972, about a year after Cooper’s jump, Kenny paid $14,000 for a modest ranch in Bonney Lake, a small mountain town, in the Cascades. A year later, a deed shows he paid $1,500 for a parcel of land."

By the way, if anyone wants to read Geoff Gray's original article, here is the url:

http://nymag.com/news/features/39593

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Robert99

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Well, Georger your post does not deserve an answer.

Jo,

After writing the above quote, you then continue on for THREE PAGES taking your customary digs at the FBI, Galen Cook, Bruce Smith, Georger and everyone else on this thread (which is ever body) who disagrees with you.

Plus, you tell the police working the Cossey murder where they are screwing up.

Jo, you are a perfect example of why men would rather date divorcees than widows. The divorcees know that their ex-husband was just a no-good s.o.b.. On the other hand, widows think their late husband was a saint even if he was a bigger s.o.b. than any divorcees ex-husband.

Jo, you haven't learned a single thing about life since you were in the second grade.

Robert99

Divorce that word is one of the biggest clues in the DB COOPER case there is. Maybe the biggest of all. that single word started the chain of events that would allow me to solve the crime. This is not a joke at all Paul Geivett just me

DB Cooper into the Funnel of Darkness the movie starring Nicolas Cage, Jennifer Anniston and Woody Harrellson... a Jerry Bruckheimer film

Written by Paul Geivett

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When I told my neighbor that people don't believe the money was planted. I asked him to tell me something nobody would know. Who owned the pickle farm before they built PDX how is it related to the DB COOPER case. Larry Carr won't know this one. REMEMBER I didn't know. If he does all be shocked Paul Geivett....

PS VLASIC THE GRAY COP THAT GOES CRUNCH..

DB Cooper into the Funnel of Darkness the movie starring Nicolas Cage, Jennifer Anniston and Woody Harrellson... a Jerry Bruckheimer film

Written by Paul Geivett

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DB Cooper into the Funnel of Darkness the movie starring Nicolas Cage, Jennifer Anniston and Woody Harrellson... a Jerry Bruckheimer film

Written by Paul Geivett

[uberalles 0]

I am wondering how many have now listened to the Mitchell interview.. (not just read the transcript) but actually listening to the wav file
where you hear Mitchell in his own words http://collections.washingtonhistory.org/details.aspx?id=122559

Wouldn't it make sense that he has already made a call on everyone that has been called out (here there and everywhere as a possible suspect) ??

What if the FBI has done everything right ? What if the answer Mitchell gave was...... NONE OF THE ABOVE ??? could it be?

Wouldn't that explain why the bureau is not interested in entertaining 'evidence' on ANY suspect it knows already is not Cooper ?

See you guys at Ariel. Mark, Uncle Brucie, anyone else from Cooperland. I will make sure I have my name tag on

[georger 197]

I may have misquoted Gray when I stated a while back that Kenny was making $512 a month. Gray says somewhat less in the article:

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Hlevins has been passed over for the Gray panel which will answer questions about the DB Cooper case, at WSHM event.

Bruce Smith was selected and will serve alongside Gray.

Congrats Bruce.

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[georger 197]

RobertMBlevins

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I may have misquoted Gray when I stated a while back that Kenny was making $512 a month. Gray says somewhat less in the article:

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Hlevins has been passed over for the Gray panel which will answer questions about the DB Cooper case, at WSHM event.

Bruce Smith was selected and will serve alongside Gray.

Congrats Bruce.

LOL I told WSHM and Geoff Gray months ago I couldn't make the event. Get real. There ARE other things in my life besides Cooper, you know. Like family occasionally. I bailed twice in a row on Grandma in favor of Ariel. This time I went with Grandma. It's the least I could do, since she flies up for Thanksgiving each year from Vista, CA. As usual, you know exactly zip on my motivations. Believe it or not, although I have a certain interest in the case, I don't LIVE for it. I haven't even gotten around to viewing the display at the museum, although I probably should I'll admit.

Congratulations, Bruce. I look forward to an interesting article about the event on Mountain News.

Get real? Get REAL?
oH! Ok...

You were passed over anyway.

get real!

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