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Who will win the 2020 election?

Trump or Biden?   

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  1. 1. Who do you think will win the election 2020? Not who you want to win, but the one you think will win.

    • Trump
      17
    • Biden
      25
    • Election?
      1
  2. 2. Who do you want to win the election 2020

    • Trump
      11
    • Biden
      31
    • Election?
      1

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  • Poll closed on 11/03/2020 at 09:20 AM

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5 hours ago, RonD1120 said:

Dominion Voting Logo

They don't even try to hide what they do. Notice, Red vote going in and Blue vote coming out.

 

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Do you not fact check anything, EVER? 

 

@Ron, now that you know you've been fed a lie, will you go back to your buddies and tell them that no, that's not the real Dominion logo? Do you have the honestly and courage to do that?

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6 hours ago, yoink said:

Ron, now that you know you've been fed a lie, will you go back to your buddies and tell them that no, that's not the real Dominion logo? Do you have the honestly and courage to do that?

My prediction:

"No, I'm not convinced that that's accurate.  It might be the real logo.  You know how the Internet changes things; it's impossible to know what's true about anything.  In any case, the sentiment is correct."

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1 hour ago, billvon said:

My prediction:

"No, I'm not convinced that that's accurate.  It might be the real logo.  You know how the Internet changes things; it's impossible to know what's true about anything.  In any case, the sentiment is correct."

Or, ‘they changed it after PATRIOTS revealed their deception.’

 

Yeah. I know. :/

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44 minutes ago, RonD1120 said:

I'm just waiting for Sidney Powell to "unleash the Kracken."

Well, the Kraken was probably supposed to be Lindsey Graham's plan to have counties with more mismatched signatures entirely thrown out (counties with more mail-in ballots will naturally have more mismatched signatures). Or maybe the Wisconsin plan to have the legislatures direct their states' electors to vote for Trump regardless. Or maybe who-know-what-other plan that involves disenfranchising people who voted according to the states' rules, just not the way that some people wanted them to vote.

Yes, 71 million voted for Trump. But 75 million voted for Biden. And kind of like in 2000 and 2016, when it was the right minority that voted for the Republican, this time it was the right majority that voted for the Democrat. Suck it up -- you're not a loser, you just lost your turn.

Wendy P.

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So yesterday the bipartisan commission in Michigan certified the election results in their area after arguing about it for a few hours.  No one could find any significant problems with the count, though, so they went ahead and certified the vote, thus certifying Michigan for Biden.

Today the republicans on the commission decided to try to "take it back."  Because democrats were mean to them.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/michigan-gop-election-checkers-rescind-certify-vote-claim-dems-bullied-them

What I suspect really happened:

Two commissioners refuse to certify the vote.  They get calls from constituents in their areas saying "WTF?" and reminders from their bosses of what their jobs were - to certify the votes if the result is clear, not play politics.  They couldn't find any irregularities so they certified it.

Then one of Trump's enforcers called them and told them they'd never work in this country again, ever, unless they came out for Trump.  So they sent in affidavits wanting to "take back their vote."  This has no effect; the election has already been certified.  But they can now weasel their way out of any ensuing discussion by claiming they did both - they certified the election AND they didn't.

And if Trump ends up taking it to the Supreme Court he can claim that Michigan really shouldn't have been certified.

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25 minutes ago, billvon said:

Then one of Trump's enforcers called them and told them they'd never work in this country again, ever, unless they came out for Trump.  So they sent in affidavits wanting to "take back their vote."  This has no effect; the election has already been certified.  But they can now weasel their way out of any ensuing discussion by claiming they did both - they certified the election AND they didn't.

Well, for the GOP to embrace the superposition principle is a small step forward to embracing science in general.

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1 hour ago, billvon said:

So yesterday the bipartisan commission in Michigan certified the election results in their area after arguing about it for a few hours.  No one could find any significant problems with the count, though, so they went ahead and certified the vote, thus certifying Michigan for Biden.

Today the republicans on the commission decided to try to "take it back."  Because democrats were mean to them.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/michigan-gop-election-checkers-rescind-certify-vote-claim-dems-bullied-them

What I suspect really happened:

Two commissioners refuse to certify the vote.  They get calls from constituents in their areas saying "WTF?" and reminders from their bosses of what their jobs were - to certify the votes if the result is clear, not play politics.  They couldn't find any irregularities so they certified it.

Then one of Trump's enforcers called them and told them they'd never work in this country again, ever, unless they came out for Trump.  So they sent in affidavits wanting to "take back their vote."  This has no effect; the election has already been certified.  But they can now weasel their way out of any ensuing discussion by claiming they did both - they certified the election AND they didn't.

And if Trump ends up taking it to the Supreme Court he can claim that Michigan really shouldn't have been certified.

At what point does this shit become treason?

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2 hours ago, billvon said:

So yesterday the bipartisan commission in Michigan ....

Then one of Trump's enforcers called them and told them they'd never work in this country again, ever, unless they came out for Trump.  ...

Well actually:Michigan Republican who balked at certifying election results says Trump called her

34 minutes ago, yoink said:

At what point does this shit become treason?

When presidents and senators apply pressure to election officials to subvert legal votes.

Edit, silly me. I underestimated trump corruption, if thats possible.

"After failing repeatedly in court to overturn election results, President Trump is taking the extraordinary step of reaching out directly to Republican state legislators as he tries to subvert the Electoral College process, inviting Michigan lawmakers to meet with him at the White House on Friday.

Mr. Trump contacted the Republican majority leader in the Michigan State Senate to issue the invitation, according to a person briefed on the invitation. It is not clear how many Michigan lawmakers will be making the trip to Washington, nor precisely what Mr. Trump plans to say to the lawmakers. The president has made few public appearances since the election and his daily schedule often has no events scheduled, despite the worsening coronavirus pandemic."

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3 hours ago, Phil1111 said:

Well actually:Michigan Republican who balked at certifying election results says Trump called her

When presidents and senators apply pressure to election officials to subvert legal votes.

so where are the lawsuits against trump and his ilk? anything? anyone?

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1 hour ago, billeisele said:

Rudy's press conference today was interesting. As a lawyer he is limited to what he can say and avoid prosecution.

Agreed.  And it's interesting to compare his claims at press conferences to his claims under oath, where he can actually be held accountable for his lies.

And the black goo oozing from his head was a pretty good metaphor for what's going on at those levels of Trump's administration these days.

 

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3 hours ago, billeisele said:

Rudy's press conference today was interesting. As a lawyer he is limited to what he can say and avoid prosecution.

Pretty sure "the tuck" has lost absolutely all credibility.  Anyone who is pinning their hopes on incompetent Jean-Baptiste Emanuel Zorg should prepare to have their dreams crushed.

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Maybe this should go in the Good News thread, but anyway:
 

  • In Arizona, Judge John Hannah refused to order a re-audit of Maricopa County’s ballots, citing a partial audit that found no irregularities. He also invited the state to ask the G.O.P. to pay the state’s legal fees, pointing to a state law that lets defendants pass their costs on to plaintiffs when a lawsuit is deemed baseless.
  • A Trump-appointed federal judge in Georgia rejected a lawsuit brought by a Republican supporter of the president, saying he had no grounds to sue and calling the relief he was seeking “quite striking.” The plaintiff had wanted to block the certification of election results based on his perception of fraud. (In other Georgia news, the secretary of state there announced last night that the state’s hand recount had not significantly altered Biden’s margin of victory.)
  • And in Pennsylvania, a county judge shot down the Trump campaign’s effort to invalidate more than 2,000 absentee ballots for technical reasons.

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10 minutes ago, ryoder said:

The Gang-That-Couldn't-Sue-Straight, cited Minnesota counties in an affidavit about Michigan:

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/526926-trump-lawyers-cited-minnesota-counties-in-affidavit-about-michigan-report

Good thing too. While this half-arsed coup attempt seems doomed to fail, it's almost more because the people trying it are utterly incompetent than your system of government being strong enough to repel it.

if Trump had ever bothered employing anyone who knew what they were doing you guys would be in serious trouble right now.

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