Who will win the 2020 election?

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1 hour ago, airdvr said:

I'm sorry you don't like my explanation.

And Bill...the list of things you say Trump does, you can just about put any politician in Washington into the same description.  The only difference is they hide it better than he did.

Classic whataboutery.

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1 hour ago, airdvr said:

I'm sorry you don't like my explanation.

And Bill...the list of things you say Trump does, you can just about put any politician in Washington into the same description.  The only difference is they hide it better than he did.

The problem, airdvr, is that each other politician does one or two of them. Trump does them all...

Wendy P.

[gowlerk 655]

I do not understand how any thinking person could favour Trump over Biden.

I do understand how some people can favour R policies over D policies in the aggregate. Even though I would not. So rather than think badly of most of them, including airdvr I choose to think it is a policy matter.

[Phil1111 166]

1 minute ago, gowlerk said:

I do not understand how any thinking person could favour Trump over Biden.

I do understand how some people can favour R policies over D policies in the aggregate. Even though I would not. So rather than think badly of most of them, including airdvr I choose to think it is a policy matter.

Americans had midterms to send trump a message and they didn't. In this election there was still 72 million votes for trump. Enough to win every single election in American history except his one. You should check the two quoted stories I made in the last week about why trump voters support him and his messaging.

Yes its policy but its more about interpersonal values.

[JoeWeber 478]

10 minutes ago, gowlerk said:

I do not understand how any thinking person could favour Trump over Biden.

I do understand how some people can favour R policies over D policies in the aggregate. Even though I would not. So rather than think badly of most of them, including airdvr I choose to think it is a policy matter.

It's simple self centered selfishness, Ken. airdvr voted for the off chance Trump will put a few more dollars in his wallet than Biden over the integrity of the Presidency. As we've already seen he has no argument other than "everybody does it" and "nanner nanner". How ding-a-lings like me see the world makes no more sense to him than his world view makes sense to me. 

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17 minutes ago, Phil1111 said:

You should check the two quoted stories I made in the last week about why trump voters support him and his messaging.

Yes its policy but its more about interpersonal values.

I did and I agree. It is an unholy alliance between evangelical anti-choice fundamentalists and the urban/rural split which is another way of saying what Bannon called "identity politics".

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8 minutes ago, JoeWeber said:

It's simple self centered selfishness, Ken. airdvr voted for the off chance Trump will put a few more dollars in his wallet than Biden over the integrity of the Presidency.

I do not believe it is anywhere near that simple. It's not about a fistfull of dollars, rather it is the warm fuzzy feeling of being safe with your clan.

[Phil1111 166]

17 minutes ago, JoeWeber said:

It's simple self centered selfishness, Ken. airdvr voted for the off chance Trump will put a few more dollars in his wallet than Biden over the integrity of the Presidency. As we've already seen he has no argument other than "everybody does it" and "nanner nanner". How ding-a-lings like me see the world makes no more sense to him than his world view makes sense to me. 

Forgot religion, fear, racism, isolationism and  minuscule tea party government.

Selfishness isn't illegal. When someone else who supports trump said their spouse was a higher up employee of the pharma/health industry. That explained allot about their support for trump-GOP.

 

9 minutes ago, gowlerk said:

I did and I agree. It is an unholy alliance between evangelical anti-choice fundamentalists and the urban/rural split which is another way of saying what Bannon called "identity politics".

Yes and above.

Having said all that Biden needs to address some of these issues. Anti-immigration is not all about Bannon-Miller racism. Biden needs to sell the fiscal advantages of immigration, etc. Sell the fiscal advantages of single payer medicine, etc.

Edited November 12, 2020 by Phil1111

[JoeWeber 478]

2 minutes ago, Phil1111 said:

15 minutes ago, JoeWeber said:

It's simple self centered selfishness, Ken. airdvr voted for the off chance Trump will put a few more dollars in his wallet than Biden over the integrity of the Presidency. As we've already seen he has no argument other than "everybody does it" and "nanner nanner". How ding-a-lings like me see the world makes no more sense to him than his world view makes sense to me. 

Forgot religion, fear, racism, isolationism and  minuscule tea party government

 

I don't get overt racism nor does he come off as a homophobe. Religion, actually credulity, seems a strong component of the conservative philosophy so maybe. I think he is simply being, in accordance with his world view, pragmatic which most times means it's about the money, specifically his money. I also choose not to believe the whataboutism tropes are his real reasons. Whereas I'm outright appalled by the discredit Trump has visited on the American Presidency I reckon airdvr figures that Trump came and Trump will go of his own accord so no worries.

[Phil1111 166]

4 minutes ago, JoeWeber said:

I don't get overt racism nor does he come off as a homophobe. Religion, actually credulity, seems a strong component of the conservative philosophy so maybe. I think he is simply being, in accordance with his world view, pragmatic which most times means it's about the money, specifically his money. I also choose not to believe the whataboutism tropes are his real reasons. Whereas I'm outright appalled by the discredit Trump has visited on the American Presidency I reckon airdvr figures that Trump came and Trump will go of his own accord so no worries.

I'll put you and Wendy on matching nail guns and have at it. Its usually not about what a person says it is but more deeply rooted psychologies that drive decision making. Many people will be well off but be driven for more. Because their parents suffered financial setbacks late in life and suffered thereafter. As an example.

[gowlerk 655]

Well.....among Republicans, despite a few high profile dissenters support for Trump is astronomical. It is at unheard of levels.

The numbers are startling. In Gallup's last pre-election poll, 94% of Republicans approved of how he was doing his job. Among "conservative Republicans," who comprise the majority of the GOP base, Trump's job approval was 97%. Yes, 97%!

[gowlerk 655]

The Beaverton doing a fine job of explaining why Canadians like me are saying "congratulations" but WTF is up with you guys?

https://www.thebeaverton.com/2020/11/breaking-usa-does-bare-minimum/

Edited November 12, 2020 by gowlerk

[headoverheels 109]

Trump getting really pathetic here.  Really?  Tweet in response to this?   Shouldn't he be planning his new TV network or golfing?

https://uproxx.com/viral/trump-scott-baio-candles-craft-store/

 

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4 hours ago, airdvr said:

I'm sorry you don't like my explanation.

And Bill...the list of things you say Trump does, you can just about put any politician in Washington into the same description.  The only difference is they hide it better than he did.

So you voted for him because he isn’t a Washington insider but he behaves like one. 
 

You make as much sense as Trump himself. Personally, unlike other people here, I don’t think you voted with your p overbook in mind. I think you find great comfort in the anti-immigrant part. 

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Trump is also saying that he will run in 2024, which it to say he admits that he lost.    2024 is unlikely IMO, since he will have many legal problems starting in January.  Also, there is his deteriorating health.

Look for Trump to be doing favors (arm sales to the Saudis, etc) on his way out.  Also, looks like he might be planning a total withdraw of troops from the Middle East.   Or maybe he will just go to Mar-a-lago for the holidays and never come back.

 

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5 hours ago, airdvr said:

And Bill...the list of things you say Trump does, you can just about put any politician in Washington into the same description.  The only difference is they hide it better than he did.

So you voted for him because he's not a typical Washington insider, but he's a typical Washington insider who doesn't hide it?  He doesn't lie like all the other politicians?

That's a funny thing to say about a man who lies more than 50 times a day.  

Will your next position be "well he lies more than any other politician but at least he's honest about how much he lies?"

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53 minutes ago, headoverheels said:

Trump is also saying that he will run in 2024, which it to say he admits that he lost. 

 

Well except he's also said that the USA "owes him another four years" because of how mean the press was to him.

[JoeWeber 478]

1 hour ago, billvon said:

Well except he's also said that the USA "owes him another four years" because of how mean the press was to him.

Fine by me. Give him 4 years.

[gowlerk 655]

7 minutes ago, JoeWeber said:

Fine by me. Give him 4 years.

Nice.

[JerryBaumchen 300]

Hi folks,

Just for fun, type this into your browser:  www.loser.com

Jerry Baumchen

[JoeWeber 478]

2 hours ago, SkyDekker said:

Personally, unlike other people here, I don’t think you voted with your p overbook in mind. I think you find great comfort in the anti-immigrant part. 

What is the basis for your assertion?

[Phil1111 166]

18 minutes ago, JerryBaumchen said:

Hi folks,

Just for fun, type this into your browser:  www.loser.com

Jerry Baumchen

Good one. I had to think for a minute to figure out WTF was going on. Covid iso is taking effect.

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11 hours ago, billvon said:

Dude, Trump was president for four years.  He's stocked the government with his own people, many of whom are criminals.  He calls in favors.  He bribes people with money and power.  He appoints his own children to lucrative government positions.  He promised people things and then gave up on them as soon as he was in office.  He golfs more than he works, then brags about how hard working he is.  He uses the power of his political office to shirk responsibility (and culpability) for his crimes.  He funnels tax dollars into his own businesses.

He's the ultimate Washington insider.

But But But!!! He doesn't take a salary! /sarcasm

[headoverheels 109]

White House insiders, w.r.t. Trump:

"It's like dealing with a lunatic on a subway. Everyone just sits and stares ahead, pretends they can't hear him, and waits for him to eventually get off.."

Mentioning Biden's name is forbidden, unless it is in the context that Biden lost the election.

As DT would say, "sad."

[Phil1111 166]

4 hours ago, headoverheels said:

White House insiders, w.r.t. Trump:...

As DT would say, "sad."

Even better "one of the president’s friends told me. “It’s all so bizarre.”

"This person, who speaks to the president often — or, more accurately, who listens and says uh-huh as the president speaks — said that Trump is not just done for, but done. “He wants to lose. He’s out of money. He worries about being arrested. He worried about being assassinated,” they said. “It hasn’t been a great experience for him. He likes showing people around the White House, but the actual day-to-day business of being president? It’s been pretty unpleasant for him.”

“A lot of what Trump says is the opposite of what he means. That’s true of all of us, to some extent,” the president’s friend said. But when Trump said he didn’t mind losing to Biden, even though he famously hates losers of any ilk, his friend believed him. “He doesn’t believe losing is shameful — quitting is bad. Losing isn’t,” this person said. “He’s afraid. He’s the most insecure, afraid person ever. He’s too afraid to be president. He’s afraid to exercise power. He’s afraid to do the job. It’s why he’s overbearing and crazy — he sabotages himself constantly because he hates himself and wants out. He’s always trying to hurt himself. That guy commits more self-harm than anyone I’ve ever encountered.”