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Who will win the 2020 election?

Trump or Biden?   

43 members have voted

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  1. 1. Who do you think will win the election 2020? Not who you want to win, but the one you think will win.

    • Trump
      17
    • Biden
      25
    • Election?
      1
  2. 2. Who do you want to win the election 2020

    • Trump
      11
    • Biden
      31
    • Election?
      1

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  • Poll closed on 11/03/2020 at 09:20 AM

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1 hour ago, airdvr said:

What's to gain?  How about reunification with the children inside the border.  Or perhaps having the children become US citizens.  But I'm certain it must be something far more sinister with the Trump administration.

airdvr,

Please help me understand. Seriously. Why would a guy like you vote for Trump this election? There must be some sort of decision tree that gets you there. From the outside all I can guess is that it has to be that you believe his economic policies will benefit you over the next four years. Is there more to it?

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Fun quotes from only two years ago:

 

Kayleigh McEnany:  Democrats are being sore losers.  They refuse to acknowledge they lost the election, so what do they do? They cry "malfeasance!  Criminality!  Wrongdoing!  Fraud!"

FOX anchor:  Democrats, more so than republicans, seem to have a problem conceding defeat.  Either the election system broke down, or some mystery votes are hiding somewhere.

Gingrich:  You have a whole series of democrats who have said bluntly "if our candidate doesn't win, they stole the election!"

FOX News: The dems just want to make America suffer.  It's like losing the World Series and then demanding an extra inning - a day later.

FOX News: The democrats are refusing to accept the declared results of the national media.  So how do they do this?  Lo and behold, they find missing ballots!

Hannity: Ramping up election conspiracy theories, accusing republicans of outright stealing the election!  Kinda rich. You know what?  Sounds sore loser-ish.    

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13 hours ago, JoeWeber said:

airdvr,

Please help me understand. Seriously. Why would a guy like you vote for Trump this election? There must be some sort of decision tree that gets you there. From the outside all I can guess is that it has to be that you believe his economic policies will benefit you over the next four years. Is there more to it?

Trump vs. just another Washington insider.  Not that difficult actually.

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3 minutes ago, airdvr said:

Trump vs. just another Washington insider.  Not that difficult actually.

Now that's as lazy an excuse as I've ever heard. Are you sure there is not a touch of good old "identity politics" in your decision to just accept his flaws?

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What do you expect the President to do? I ask this honestly, because I expect a statesperson, who will have general policies and directions they want to go, and a cabinet who are knowledgeable in their fields -- and all of these people advised by advisers who aren't necessarily as good interpersonally, but who are all experts in their fields. I expect the President to have a political compass of some sort -- and that can be a huge guideline. E.g. "no 'socialism,'" or "free trade," or "health care," etc.

But one who just throws bombs won't get much done. And I really, reallly, want intellectual honesty and consistency from as many of the congresscritters as possible. Which is why things like all the statements around the Garland nomination vs. the Coney Barrett nomination stick in my craw, because they had such self-serving "whatever it takes" approaches to getting done what they wanted.

Likewise the "I'll be the hardest-working president ever, no golf for me" statements, and just about all the stuff that is absolutely within Trump's control that didn't happen. The wall was one thing (it was hyperbolic, and wrongly proposed, but it was at least a stab in a direction), he did need budget for that, and it wasn't entirely in his control.

So I find Trump to be wholly unacceptable, in large part because he's a bomb-thrower, with no real concept of what's going to happen when he's done. That's fine for some positions, but not the President of the last (well, not for long) superpower.

Wendy P.

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30 minutes ago, airdvr said:

I've never expected Trump to be my moral guidepost.  I don't need him for that nor do I pretend that every other asshat in DC is some sort of Mother Theresa.  Sorry you think my explanation is lazy.

Why don't you just come out and tell the truth. i.e. I'm self employed, I created my own job, I get nothing from the government. I believe in the smallest government possible. I look after my kids, my wife, my family, my friends. I expect others to do the same.

I'm paraphrasing but why don't you expand? If necessary?

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13 minutes ago, wmw999 said:

What do you expect the President to do? ...

So I find Trump to be wholly unacceptable, in large part because he's a bomb-thrower, with no real concept of what's going to happen when he's done. That's fine for some positions, but not the President of the last (well, not for long) superpower.

Wendy P.

Gonna have to get Wendy a nail gun for all the nails she is driving home.

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59 minutes ago, airdvr said:

Trump vs. just another Washington insider.  Not that difficult actually.

Dude, Trump was president for four years.  He's stocked the government with his own people, many of whom are criminals.  He calls in favors.  He bribes people with money and power.  He appoints his own children to lucrative government positions.  He promised people things and then gave up on them as soon as he was in office.  He golfs more than he works, then brags about how hard working he is.  He uses the power of his political office to shirk responsibility (and culpability) for his crimes.  He funnels tax dollars into his own businesses.

He's the ultimate Washington insider.

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2 hours ago, RonD1120 said:

Game theory

https://www.oann.com/giuliani-suits-filed-president-trump-to-win-mich-and-pa/

Study Amendment 12 of the U.S. Constitution.

Fun fact from the picture in that article!  One of the people on the stage of that lawn-care company with Rudy - a person Rudy was relying on for his evidence - is a convicted sexual offender who used to expose himself to 7 year old girls.  (I am guessing that perhaps OAN did not point that out to you.)

This is who you are holding up as your political savior?

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1 hour ago, airdvr said:

Trump vs. just another Washington insider.  Not that difficult actually.

That was shallow, insulting to everyones intelligence and I don't believe you. I know you don't GAF. I believe it was first and foremost a personal pocketbook decision. Knowing in advance who and what he is you chose inflicting him on the country again in the belief he would help you push real estate better than Biden.

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16 minutes ago, billvon said:

Dude, Trump was president for four years.  He's stocked the government with his own people, many of whom are criminals.  He calls in favors.  He bribes people with money and power.  He appoints his own children to lucrative government positions.  He promised people things and then gave up on them as soon as he was in office.  He golfs more than he works, then brags about how hard working he is.  He uses the power of his political office to shirk responsibility (and culpability) for his crimes.  He funnels tax dollars into his own businesses.

He's the ultimate Washington insider.

Or the last few on the GOP side who cared about the constitution, service, America. John McCain for example.

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2 hours ago, JoeWeber said:

That was shallow, insulting to everyones intelligence and I don't believe you. I know you don't GAF. I believe it was first and foremost a personal pocketbook decision. Knowing in advance who and what he is you chose inflicting him on the country again in the belief he would help you push real estate better than Biden.

I'm sorry you don't like my explanation.

And Bill...the list of things you say Trump does, you can just about put any politician in Washington into the same description.  The only difference is they hide it better than he did.

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Just now, airdvr said:

 

And Bill...the list of things you say Trump does, you can just about put any politician in Washington into the same description.  The only difference is they hide it better than he did.

Even if that were true, and it is not, hiding some of the things we do in private is something society expects of all of us.

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8 minutes ago, airdvr said:

And Bill...the list of things you say Trump does, you can just about put any politician in Washington into the same description.  The only difference is they hide it better than he did.

A ) You can't. You just can't. That kind of both-siderism is just wilful ignorance of the facts.

B ) Then your stated reason for voting falls flat on its face. If you claim Trump is just the same as every other Washington insider then it doesn't follow to say you voted for him because he isn;t a Washington insider.

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14 minutes ago, jakee said:

So you want the deep state to use the EC to steal the election for Trump. Figures.

I think that would actually be the Deep R States ignoring the voters and selecting Trump electors. That would trigger a real constitutional crisis. SCOTUS would then have to show its true colours. But at this point that is what people like Ron seem to be hoping for.

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