Green new deal equals magical thinking

[DJL 232]

9 minutes ago, turtlespeed said:

It's Trumps fault!

See.  Everyone knows.

[wmw999 2,126]

2 hours ago, brenthutch said:

COP25 (UN climate talks) a complete bust.  CO2 emissions are up 4% since the Paris Agreement.

You must be thrilled. 

Wendy P. 

[DJL 232]

2 hours ago, brenthutch said:

https://www.theguardian.com/science/2019/dec/15/cop25-un-climate-talks-over-for-another-year-was-anything-achieved

 

COP25 (UN climate talks) a complete bust.  CO2 emissions are up 4% since the Paris Agreement.

This makes is apparent that we're not doing enough and it's becoming even more important to bring in leadership with a strong economic background who wants to make a real impact.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/06/06/climate/bloomberg-climate-pledge-coal.html

[wolfriverjoe 1,346]

4 hours ago, DJL said:

This makes is apparent that we're not doing enough and it's becoming even more important to bring in leadership with a strong economic background who wants to make a real impact.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/06/06/climate/bloomberg-climate-pledge-coal.html

That's one of the reasons the Paris Agreement was so important.

While it certainly wouldn't have been enough, it would have been a start.

And (more importantly) it would have provided political incentive for other countries to start doing something.

We (the US) are by far the worst polluters on a per capita basis. When the Mango Mussolini says (in effect) that we don't care, we aren't going to do anything to reduce our emissions and that he doesn't believe what the science community says; he removes any chance for us to convince anyone else to make any changes. 

[turtlespeed 212]

1 hour ago, wolfriverjoe said:

 he removes any chance for us to convince anyone else to make any changes. 

The name calling - Really?

Anyway - That is simply not true.

MOST of the world already sees reality even if he doesn't.

[DJL 232]

16 hours ago, turtlespeed said:

The name calling - Really?

Anyway - That is simply not true.

MOST of the world already sees reality even if he doesn't.

Additionally, US mayors, led by Bloomberg let the World know.  We lost some traction with Trump but hopefully the next President can make up for it.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/01/climate/american-cities-climate-standards.html

[billvon 2,404]

On 12/16/2019 at 5:06 AM, brenthutch said:

COP25 (UN climate talks) a complete bust.  CO2 emissions are up 4% since the Paris Agreement.

Hooray for you!  Maybe you can switch to hoping that we destroy the ozone layer again.  It might mean your air conditioner could be half a dollar cheaper, and what could be more important than that?

[turtlespeed 212]

1 hour ago, billvon said:

Hooray for you!  Maybe you can switch to hoping that we destroy the ozone layer again.  It might mean your air conditioner could be half a dollar cheaper, and what could be more important than that?

My guess is that retooling to get back to R-12 would be very expensive indeed.

[brenthutch 384]

More magical thinking, very expensive magical thinking at that.

https://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/a30472835/crescent-dunes-solar-plant/

Wind is not doing much better.

https://www.suncommunitynews.com/articles/the-vermont-eagle/the-end-of-wind-power-in-vermont/

https://www.standard-freeholder.com/news/local-news/auditor-general-to-probe-costs-of-cancelling-nation-rise-wind-farm

Edited January 25, 2020 by brenthutch

[billvon 2,404]

On 12/17/2019 at 5:49 PM, turtlespeed said:

My guess is that retooling to get back to R-12 would be very expensive indeed.

At this point the facts of the matter aren't an issue.  It's how you FEEL about the evil environmentalists stealing your air conditioner.

[brenthutch 384]

How do you FEEL about these facts?

https://www.brinknews.com/how-long-will-the-slowdown-in-renewables-last/

[airdvr 197]

Shhhh...church is in session.

[brenthutch 384]

https://notrickszone.com/2020/01/26/0-34-kwh-german-electricity-prices-skyrocket-to-new-record-highs-a-gigantic-redistribution-machine/

It is curious just how expensive "free" energy can be.

[turtlespeed 212]

54 minutes ago, brenthutch said:

https://notrickszone.com/2020/01/26/0-34-kwh-german-electricity-prices-skyrocket-to-new-record-highs-a-gigantic-redistribution-machine/

It is curious just how expensive "free" energy can be.

It sounds more like we need to research and develop an efficient storage device or storage tech.

You should be jumping behind this with both feet -

 

Best case scenario is the potential for energy that they (either municipalities, or energy companies) pay you to use.

 

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Money for nothing

According to the German government, wind turbine operators alone received a total of 635 million euros in compensation in 2018 because they were unable to feed their electricity into the grid because of the times it was not needed.

This “compensation” will be even more drastic in 2019, because in the first quarter alone there were strong winds; the wind turbines delivered so much electricity – but at inopportune moments, and so it could not be used, not even given away to neighboring countries.

 

 

Edited January 27, 2020 by turtlespeed
is is is is is

[brenthutch 384]

https://www.heartland.org/_template-assets/documents/publications/EnviHarmsPB.pdf

Green new deal is not only impractical, it would also destroy the environment

[kallend 1,634]

9 minutes ago, brenthutch said:

https://www.heartland.org/_template-assets/documents/publications/EnviHarmsPB.pdf

Green new deal is not only impractical, it would also destroy the environment

Heartland?

 

very droll.

[airdvr 197]

Please open your hymnals to page 420....

 

[brenthutch 384]

10 minutes ago, kallend said:

Heartland?

 

very droll.

Thank you for your informative and inciteful contribution to the conversation.  I'll bet you didn't even read it.

Edited January 30, 2020 by brenthutch

[DJL 232]

43 minutes ago, brenthutch said:

Thank you for your informative and inciteful contribution to the conversation.  I'll bet you didn't even read it.

You're quoting a source that is paid to deny climate change and oppose any legislation or innovation not in the interests of the fossil fuel industries.

[wolfriverjoe 1,346]

1 hour ago, DJL said:

You're quoting a source that is paid to deny climate change and oppose any legislation or innovation not in the interests of the fossil fuel industries.

He's quoting the same people who spent decades denying that cigarettes were dangerous. 

All the while being paid by the tobacco companies. 

So, of course they are worth reading. 

[turtlespeed 212]

4 hours ago, DJL said:

You're quoting a source that is paid to deny climate change and oppose any legislation or innovation not in the interests of the fossil fuel industries.

Technically speaking, every climate scientist is paid to tell one story or another.

 

[SkyDekker 1,129]

2 hours ago, turtlespeed said:

Technically speaking, every climate scientist is paid to tell one story or another.

 

Technically speaking, that is incorrect.

[DJL 232]

4 minutes ago, SkyDekker said:

Technically speaking, that is incorrect.

Technically he's technically not wrong depending on the technical definition of "technically".

[gowlerk 1,915]

2 hours ago, DJL said:

Technically he's technically not wrong depending on the technical definition of "technically".

And the meaning of “is”?

[wolfriverjoe 1,346]

2 hours ago, SkyDekker said:

Technically speaking, that is incorrect.

Oh, come on.

The false equivalency of a group of people being paid (by industries with an agenda) to push climate denial being equal to research scientists working under grants is essentail to the 'denier stance'. 

Kinda the same as the false equivalency of Trump's crimes being equal to Hillary's.  One having a couple major investigations resulting in multiple indictments, guilty pleas and prison sentences, the other having multiple major investigations resulting in...

Nothing.