richravizza 25 #2026 November 28, 2019 On 11/26/2019 at 7:14 PM, billvon said: hat's more the conservative approach than the progressive approach. "If those filthy lazy degenerates don't want to work, get them out of here!" The progressive approach can be seen in AB 344, which funds homeless employment programs. So all the ills' of our liberal utpia are because of conservitive Ideas in California? I'm out to smoke a Fatty. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gowlerk 1,912 #2027 November 28, 2019 7 minutes ago, richravizza said: Human rights is not a problem in our society, Are you kidding me? How out of touch are you? 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
richravizza 25 #2028 November 28, 2019 On 11/26/2019 at 12:33 PM, richravizza said: If only you Vote to raise the Tax,again,the gods will look favorably upon you too. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,400 #2029 November 28, 2019 32 minutes ago, richravizza said: Human rights is not a problem in our society,nor is the bald eagle,or burning rivers.Let's keep toxic masculinity out of this. That's like saying that measles isn't a problem for our society, so vaccines do nothing, The REASON we have plenty of bald eagles and we don't have burning rivers any more is because of those evil progressive liberals you always attack. So - you're welcome. Quote Now that we Agree,why would you support such regressive progessive Ideas? "Regressive progressive ideas?" Did you already smoke that fatty? I don't support corn based ethanol. Quote I agree, the Air has never been cleaner in my life.So you think we should continue to invest and spend even more in the future on a problem that you admit is 5% of what it was. Because 100,000 Americans still die every year from air pollution. We have proven we can solve the problem - it's just going to take more work. Quote So all the ills' of our liberal utpia are because of conservitive Ideas in California? Not at all. We have a democratic government here in California and we have a homeless problem. If we had a republican government in California we'd have a homeless problem. Both parties take different approaches to that problem. The problem will be here no matter what anyone does. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
richravizza 25 #2030 November 28, 2019 (edited) 46 minutes ago, billvon said: "Regressive progressive ideas?" Did you already smoke that fatty? I don't support corn based ethanol. I want to apologize for putting you in the box of our state, intelligencia academia,curiculum politic and corruption. I'll puff to that ! 1 hour ago, gowlerk said: Are you kidding me? How out of touch are you? I hope I didn't offend you. Turkey time I'm out. Let's agree, to keep this on topic and thread Reform,we can agree on Edited November 28, 2019 by richravizza thread topic Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gowlerk 1,912 #2031 November 28, 2019 10 minutes ago, richravizza said: I hope I didn't offend you. Turkey time I'm out. Let's agree, to keep this on topic and thread Reform,we can agree on Reform and turkey, who could be against either of those things? 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mbohu 77 #2032 November 28, 2019 1 hour ago, richravizza said: Here in Cali, the State increases Ethanol every summer,not by 20% 50% but by 100%. I have to admit, I don't know too much about Ethanol. I've never really thought of it as a good solution. I thought it was at most a small stop-gap solution to reduce emissions in traditional gas by a small amount. I am pretty certain though that Ethanol isn't pushed very much by "progressives" but instead by big agri-business lobbyists (who almost certainly lean conservative, along with their employers.) In any case: I don't really care about conservative versus progressive on this issue. 1 hour ago, richravizza said: But we agree,this progessive idea needs reform. What is THIS progressive idea? I may have missed something here. I thought we were discussing what the guy in your video said (and I DID jump to the time mark you indicated, so I'm talking about his rant on China and how we shouldn't be doing ANYTHING, because China is a bigger polluter than us) 1 hour ago, richravizza said: I did watch the video you posted which,I previously watched when this thread was created.I don't understand why they would use a F-150 Sticker Again, my current comments are all about the video you posted, of what seems like a conservative talk-show, and how the argument of the host seems disingenuous at best. You may be referring to a video I posted, exploring benefits of electric cars in terms of CO2 emissions over the entire production cycle and lifetime of the car, compared to gas vehicles. Yeah, if they compared a Leaf to a Ford 150, that's a little strange (although, in the US, I bet there are many people who buy a Ford 150 who could easily drive a Leaf--such a strange thing here, people driving trucks who never use it as a truck...so now we have to build cabs that fit 5 people ...but I really shouldn't judge. I dreamt all day yesterday about owning a Mercedes GT Coupe--and no one NEEDS that kind of car either) I am pretty sure though, the video mostly made relevant and accurate comparisons--that's why I chose it over other similar ones, all coming to the same general conclusion. Happy Turkey-Day! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
richravizza 25 #2033 November 29, 2019 This is the second day of rain and snow in SoCal with the rest of the week looking stormy.Even in the most conducive environment in the US for solar, we can all admit it's reliability as an energy source is well, unreliable. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gowlerk 1,912 #2034 November 29, 2019 14 minutes ago, richravizza said: This is the second day of rain and snow in SoCal with the rest of the week looking stormy.Even in the most conducive environment in the US for solar, we can all admit it's reliability as an energy source is well, unreliable. Let me know if your power goes out. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
richravizza 25 #2035 November 29, 2019 If I were to insert the idea of the GND and 100% renewable,the power would be out.In the meantime our Nat.Gas plants ensure the light stay on and the turkey roasted. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
richravizza 25 #2036 November 29, 2019 (edited) 6 hours ago, mbohu said: . I am pretty certain though that Ethanol isn't pushed very much by "progressives" You'd be right, not anymore,its the one of the consequences of the do something stance,and our Government ineptitude in picking winners and losers. If I only had an extra $150K laying around. https://karmaautomotive.com Edited November 29, 2019 by richravizza Karma Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,400 #2037 November 29, 2019 13 hours ago, richravizza said: If I were to insert the idea of the GND and 100% renewable,the power would be out. Not mine. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DJL 232 #2038 December 2, 2019 On 11/28/2019 at 5:46 PM, mbohu said: I am pretty certain though that Ethanol isn't pushed very much by "progressives" but instead by big agri-business lobbyists (who almost certainly lean conservative, along with their employers.) In any case: I don't really care about conservative versus progressive on this issue. And they lobby VERY HARD for gov't subsidies. They're the biggest crock of shit in the entire debate. There's nothing about a monoculture agricultural process that ends up emitting exactly as much greenhouse gases as gasoline that's helping the environment. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 212 #2039 December 2, 2019 On 11/24/2019 at 10:49 AM, billvon said: Corn based ethanol is a poor solution - but one that is very popular with US farmers, which is why it's still around. Sugar cane based ethanol is several times more effective. Effective . . . as in efficient? Why havent we had a push in the climate change media about urging the corn farmers to switch to cane? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gowlerk 1,912 #2040 December 2, 2019 1 hour ago, turtlespeed said: Effective . . . as in efficient? Why havent we had a push in the climate change media about urging the corn farmers to switch to cane? Sugar cane grows in warm temperate to tropical climates. There is no such thing as "climate change media". What other nonsense will you post today? 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airdvr 197 #2041 December 2, 2019 Just now, gowlerk said: Sugar cane grows in warm temperate to tropical climates. There is no such thing as "climate change media". What other nonsense will you post today? According to some pretty soon we'll have tropical climates here in Ohio. Winning! Ok, Ok,....just kidding. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gowlerk 1,912 #2042 December 2, 2019 Just now, airdvr said: According to some pretty soon we'll have tropical climates here in Ohio. Winning! Ok, Ok,....just kidding. Well there is that to look forward to! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 212 #2043 December 2, 2019 6 hours ago, gowlerk said: Sugar cane grows in warm temperate to tropical climates. There is no such thing as "climate change media". What other nonsense will you post today? I guess you have never heard of the Weather Channel. I thought you were informed. It is under weather.com in case you want to watch a little. ALSO - CNN does a pretty good job of portraying itself as Climate Media . . . There are others if you choose to be honest with yourself and look at it objectively. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,400 #2044 December 3, 2019 11 hours ago, turtlespeed said: Effective . . . as in efficient? As in EROEI. Quote Why havent we had a push in the climate change media about urging the corn farmers to switch to cane? I don't know what "the climate change media" is. You mean the scientific community? They have been talking about this for decades. https://www.energy4impact.org/news/bio-ethanol-case-sugar-cane?gclid=Cj0KCQiAiZPvBRDZARIsAORkq7e2EhhwCmCNLJ0dlX9stjrQxiazqTaFs8prAi0Z_5CPMru8SxKubGAaAmXAEALw_wcB https://www.sciencedirect.com/topics/engineering/sugarcane-ethanol https://www.intechopen.com/books/fuel-ethanol-production-from-sugarcane/assessment-of-sugarcane-based-ethanol-production The reason it has not happened is because sugar cane farmers have no political power in the US. It's a niche crop. Corn farmers, on the other hand . . . Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brenthutch 383 #2045 December 3, 2019 20 hours ago, billvon said: As in EROEI. I don't know what "the climate change media" is. You mean the scientific community? They have been talking about this for decades. https://www.energy4impact.org/news/bio-ethanol-case-sugar-cane?gclid=Cj0KCQiAiZPvBRDZARIsAORkq7e2EhhwCmCNLJ0dlX9stjrQxiazqTaFs8prAi0Z_5CPMru8SxKubGAaAmXAEALw_wcB https://www.sciencedirect.com/topics/engineering/sugarcane-ethanol https://www.intechopen.com/books/fuel-ethanol-production-from-sugarcane/assessment-of-sugarcane-based-ethanol-production The reason it has not happened is because sugar cane farmers have no political power in the US. It's a niche crop. Corn farmers, on the other hand . . . Sugar beets? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 212 #2046 December 4, 2019 21 hours ago, billvon said: As in EROEI. I don't know what "the climate change media" is. You mean the scientific community? They have been talking about this for decades. https://www.energy4impact.org/news/bio-ethanol-case-sugar-cane?gclid=Cj0KCQiAiZPvBRDZARIsAORkq7e2EhhwCmCNLJ0dlX9stjrQxiazqTaFs8prAi0Z_5CPMru8SxKubGAaAmXAEALw_wcB https://www.sciencedirect.com/topics/engineering/sugarcane-ethanol https://www.intechopen.com/books/fuel-ethanol-production-from-sugarcane/assessment-of-sugarcane-based-ethanol-production The reason it has not happened is because sugar cane farmers have no political power in the US. It's a niche crop. Corn farmers, on the other hand . . . You can turn on any news outlet at any given moment, wait for about 7-10 minutes and there will be something mentioned about climate change. I have yet to see any protests aired regarding the switch from corn to cane. I have yet to see anyone seriously bring the argument to the table. I have heard more on this forum about it than I have seen ANYWHERE. Why? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gowlerk 1,912 #2047 December 4, 2019 34 minutes ago, turtlespeed said: 35 minutes ago, turtlespeed said: You can turn on any news outlet at any given moment, wait for about 7-10 minutes and there will be something mentioned about climate change. So then, not just the "climate change media" but all media? 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 212 #2048 December 4, 2019 5 minutes ago, gowlerk said: So then, not just the "climate change media" but all media? If you actually, honestly, seriously considered that I was speaking of a new cable news network . . . I just don't know what to say . . . Seriously? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gowlerk 1,912 #2049 December 4, 2019 1 minute ago, turtlespeed said: If you actually, honestly, seriously considered that I was speaking of a new cable news network . . . I just don't know what to say . . . Seriously? I assumed you were just finding another way of slamming any media outlet that is not sufficiently conservative. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 212 #2050 December 4, 2019 1 minute ago, gowlerk said: I assumed you were just finding another way of slamming any media outlet that is not sufficiently conservative. I keep telling you guys - Your assumptions about what I read and watch are wrong. <shrug> Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
