JoeWeber 2,670 #2126 January 30, 2020 2 hours ago, DJL said: Technically he's technically not wrong depending on the technical definition of "technically". Not technically speaking this was unnecessary. Turtles post was ridiculous and deserved no more than Skydekker offered. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 212 #2127 January 31, 2020 2 hours ago, JoeWeber said: Not technically speaking this was unnecessary. Turtles post was ridiculous and deserved no more than Skydekker offered. Congratulations - You finally got one . . . . oh . . . damn . . . I keep hoping. <sigh> Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brenthutch 428 #2128 January 31, 2020 Wow! Not only would the GND destroy the environment but it would hurt the poor as well. https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0360544218325738 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DJL 235 #2129 January 31, 2020 1 hour ago, brenthutch said: Wow! Not only would the GND destroy the environment but it would hurt the poor as well. https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0360544218325738 So do you actually have access to the content or are you just spouting the highlights (Which don't appear to reference the GND)? BTW does the GND even exist anymore? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brenthutch 428 #2130 January 31, 2020 I’m using GND as a proxy for all related nonsense. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DJL 235 #2131 January 31, 2020 4 minutes ago, brenthutch said: I’m using GND as a proxy for all related nonsense. That actually works pretty well. Covers the vaguely constructed mindset of "make more green and everyone gets a pony". Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brenthutch 428 #2132 February 4, 2020 https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/01/another-obama-solar-company-burns-out-dc-solar-owners-plead-guilty-to-largest-ponzi-scheme-in-eastern-california-history/ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DJL 235 #2133 February 4, 2020 1 hour ago, brenthutch said: https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/01/another-obama-solar-company-burns-out-dc-solar-owners-plead-guilty-to-largest-ponzi-scheme-in-eastern-california-history/ And to think, they could've actually been a profitable enterprise but they ran a ponzi scheme instead. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,397 #2134 February 4, 2020 4 hours ago, brenthutch said: https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/01/another-obama-solar-company-burns-out-dc-solar-owners-plead-guilty-to-largest-ponzi-scheme-in-eastern-california-history/ If you think that means the green and renewable industry has to be dismantled, I can only imagine what you think needs to be done to the financial industry in light of Bernie Madoff. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 212 #2135 February 4, 2020 1 hour ago, SkyDekker said: If you think that means the green and renewable industry has to be dismantled, I can only imagine what you think needs to be done to the financial industry in light of Bernie Madoff. That's 2 Bernies with an influence in the US - Call Q - we need to get them to send out a shotgun message. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brenthutch 428 #2136 February 11, 2020 Australia is now investing millions to look into additional coal fired power. https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-02-08/australia-to-fund-study-into-new-coal-fired-power-station Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DJL 235 #2137 February 11, 2020 12 minutes ago, brenthutch said: Australia is now investing millions to look into additional coal fired power. https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-02-08/australia-to-fund-study-into-new-coal-fired-power-station Yeah, they're pretty hell bent on hitting themselves in the dick with a hammer. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brenthutch 428 #2138 February 11, 2020 1 hour ago, DJL said: Yeah, they're pretty hell bent on hitting themselves in the dick with a hammer. With cheap reliable power? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 212 #2139 February 11, 2020 Just now, brenthutch said: With cheap reliable power? No worries! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DJL 235 #2140 February 11, 2020 1 minute ago, brenthutch said: With cheap reliable power? Correct, just like a hammer to the nuts is a cheap reliable way to perform a vasectomy. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,881 #2141 February 11, 2020 Good summary of the specific denial points from Science Alert. I've previously talked about the three basic kinds of denial - it's not warming, it's warming but it's natural, it's warming from our actions but all the changes will be good. Science Alert breaks it down further into the basic reasons deniers present: 1) Science denial It's not warming! NASA made a mistake once! It's natural! Climate models are unreliable and can't be trusted at all! CO2 is a tiny percentage of the atmosphere; it can't do anything! 2) Economic denial It's impossible to do anything! It's too expensive to do anything! Solar is subsidized and oil isn't! 3) Humanitarian denial Warming is only good for people! CO2 is a fertilizer that will feed the world! 4) Political denial No one wants to fix climate change! Other countries are doing less so we should not try! There is another problem, so we can't work on carbon reduction! 5) Crisis denial It's not a big deal! There are still polar bears! There's no rush! The crisis is a big fake media thing! https://www.sciencealert.com/the-five-corrupt-pillars-of-climate-change-denial 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brenthutch 428 #2142 February 11, 2020 (edited) Wow! The Japanese and Chinese are not just looking into it they are going full bore, spending BILLIONS. "Japan's three leading banks were the top lenders to companies involved in coal-fired power projects, according to a report by nonprofit and nongovernmental organizations including BankTrack. Mizuho Financial Group, Mitsubishi UFJ Financial Group and Sumitomo Mitsui Financial Group are thought to have provided $39.3 billion in loans to the sector between 2017 and the third quarter of 2019. The report also showed that Chinese financial institutions -- Industrial and Commercial Bank of China, Ping An Insurance Group and CITIC -- were the top three underwriters for coal developers." https://asia.nikkei.com/Business/Markets/Commodities/Asia-s-appetite-for-coal-grows-with-China-the-key-decider Edited February 11, 2020 by brenthutch Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brenthutch 428 #2143 February 11, 2020 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xU_gNakm9ms Now we only have ten years and change before the world ends. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DJL 235 #2144 February 11, 2020 14 minutes ago, brenthutch said: Wow! The Japanese and Chinese are not just looking into it they are going full bore, spending BILLIONS. "Japan's three leading banks were the top lenders to companies involved in coal-fired power projects, according to a report by nonprofit and nongovernmental organizations including BankTrack. Mizuho Financial Group, Mitsubishi UFJ Financial Group and Sumitomo Mitsui Financial Group are thought to have provided $39.3 billion in loans to the sector between 2017 and the third quarter of 2019. The report also showed that Chinese financial institutions -- Industrial and Commercial Bank of China, Ping An Insurance Group and CITIC -- were the top three underwriters for coal developers." https://asia.nikkei.com/Business/Markets/Commodities/Asia-s-appetite-for-coal-grows-with-China-the-key-decider Sounds like the free market isn't going to protect us. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DJL 235 #2145 February 11, 2020 3 minutes ago, brenthutch said: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xU_gNakm9ms Now we only have ten years and change before the world ends. AHHH!!! AOC!!!!! RUN!!!!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,881 #2146 February 11, 2020 Another good article on climate change denial overall - its causes and how to overcome it. Some notes from the article: "Denial happens when climate science rubs us up the wrong way. Instead of making us want to arrest the climate crisis, it makes us resist the very thought of it, because the facts of anthropogenic global heating clash with our personal projects. It could be that the idea of climate change is a threat to our worldview. Or it could be that we fear society's response to climate change, the disruption created by the transition to a low-emissions economy. Either way, climate change becomes such an "inconvenient truth" that, instead of living with and acting upon our worries, we suppress the truth instead." "Contemporary social psychologists tend to talk about this in terms of "motivated reasoning". Because the facts of climate science are in conflict with people's existing beliefs and values, they reason around the facts. . . . they're reasoning in the manner of a defense lawyer who clutches for post hoc rationalizations to defend an initial gut instinct. This is why brow-beating deniers with further climate science is unlikely to succeed: their faculty of reason is motivated to defend itself from revising its beliefs." " . . Climate communications may do well to appeal to more diverse values, particularly those values held by the deniers themselves. Experiments have shown that, if the risks and realities of climate change are reframed as opportunities for community relationship building and societal development, then deniers can shift their views. Similarly, in the US context, appealing to conservative values like patriotism, obeying authority and defending the purity of nature can encourage conservatives to support pro-environmental actions." Reframing the climate change discussion definitely has merit. https://www.sciencealert.com/why-do-some-people-still-think-climate-change-isn-t-real Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,881 #2147 February 11, 2020 1 minute ago, DJL said: AHHH!!! AOC!!!!! RUN!!!!! Get a Hillary attack in there and he'll almost be at his quota for the day. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,397 #2148 February 11, 2020 2 hours ago, brenthutch said: Wow! The Japanese and Chinese are not just looking into it they are going full bore, spending BILLIONS. "Japan's three leading banks were the top lenders to companies involved in coal-fired power projects, according to a report by nonprofit and nongovernmental organizations including BankTrack. Mizuho Financial Group, Mitsubishi UFJ Financial Group and Sumitomo Mitsui Financial Group are thought to have provided $39.3 billion in loans to the sector between 2017 and the third quarter of 2019. The report also showed that Chinese financial institutions -- Industrial and Commercial Bank of China, Ping An Insurance Group and CITIC -- were the top three underwriters for coal developers." https://asia.nikkei.com/Business/Markets/Commodities/Asia-s-appetite-for-coal-grows-with-China-the-key-decider What do you think this proves? Companies and countries making short-sighted decisions is not something new. Sometimes it is even the right thing to do for a particular situation. It doesn't change science. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brenthutch 428 #2149 February 11, 2020 23 minutes ago, SkyDekker said: What do you think this proves? Companies and countries making short-sighted decisions is not something new. Sometimes it is even the right thing to do for a particular situation. It doesn't change science. Coal plants have an average lifespan of 40 years, there is noting short-sighted about their decision making. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DJL 235 #2150 February 11, 2020 7 minutes ago, brenthutch said: Coal plants have an average lifespan of 40 years, there is noting short-sighted about their decision making. I think you're missing the point that it's not the fiscal issues that are expensive. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
