turtlespeed 212 #1 September 11, 2015 He made a crane topple onto a grand mosque. God is a jealous vengeful God. Aren't you glad you are intimate with his son?I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 3 #2 September 11, 2015 Is a crane collapse an "act of god" or just shitty engineering?quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Boomerdog 0 #3 September 11, 2015 QuoteGod is a jealous vengeful God. Another one unclear on the concept. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wolfriverjoe 1,368 #4 September 11, 2015 Reads like "bad weather." Don't know if it was heavy winds that took it down or soft ground due to the heavy rains. I'm guessing they don't know either. Since it's the Saudis, we may never know. The "Hajj" starts soon. There's usually at least one good stampede and a couple fires in the tent cities."There are NO situations which do not call for a French Maid outfit." Lucky McSwervy "~ya don't GET old by being weak & stupid!" - Airtwardo Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
winsor 189 #5 September 11, 2015 quadeIs a crane collapse an "act of god" or just shitty engineering? There's a difference? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
christelsabine 1 #6 September 11, 2015 Yes. dudeist skydiver # 3105 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 212 #7 September 12, 2015 christelsabine Yes. What, exactly, is that difference?I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coreeece 2 #8 September 12, 2015 turtlespeed ***Is a crane collapse an "act of god" or just shitty engineering? winsor There's a difference? christelsabine Yes. What, exactly, is that difference? Well let's be honest...it's doubtful she actually comprehended the offense in the first place. But yes...it's not so much the "shitty engineering" as it is the act of God to give us the choice to engineer shittingly, if we choose...and apparently, we chose...Never was there an answer....not without listening, without seeing - Gilmour Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 1,679 #9 September 12, 2015 As one who has investigated crane collapses in a professional capacity, my experience is that the majority are due to overload or other operational error rather than poor engineering. Clearly each situation is unique.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 212 #10 September 12, 2015 Coreeece ******Is a crane collapse an "act of god" or just shitty engineering? winsor There's a difference? christelsabine Yes. What, exactly, is that difference? Well let's be honest...it's doubtful she actually comprehended the offense in the first place. But yes...it's not so much the "shitty engineering" as it is the act of God to give us the choice to engineer shittingly, if we choose...and apparently, we chose... The wind was an act of God, was it not? Or does wind have free will also?I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 643 #11 September 12, 2015 He only gets credit for good, we aren't allowed to point out all the bad he does in the world. You're gonna get kicked out of church with that attitude young man. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 212 #12 September 12, 2015 normissHe only gets credit for good, we aren't allowed to point out all the bad he does in the world. You're gonna get kicked out of church with that attitude young man. Ok, so God knows how many hairs every person has on his body, but works in mysterious ways, and is the end all be all, but only when it is good, he doesn't do anything wrong, and is also gender specific. All of that, but feels the need to kill about a hundred Muslims to show that he's not spiteful, but instead to gently teach us a lesson in engineering. Gotcha.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,169 #13 September 12, 2015 Some folks think we have Obama for the bad Wendy P. There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
yoink 321 #14 September 12, 2015 kallendAs one who has investigated crane collapses in a professional capacity, my experience is that the majority are due to overload or other operational error rather than poor engineering. Clearly each situation is unique. Operator error is my bet as well. Either the crane was in use when it shouldn't have been, or the supporting structure wasn't engineered properly. From memory isn't there a 50kph limit on tower crane operation unless otherwise specified by the manufacturer? From what I've seen on the interwebs (so it must be true!) Mecca was getting sustained winds of around 40kph that day. It's not hard to believe they got some big gusts... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Phil1111 938 #15 September 12, 2015 I heard wind gusts to 66kph and would speculate that the last operator didn't allow the crane to weathervane when he left it. Also speculating that that mistake would be an act of some God or another. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 212 #16 September 12, 2015 Phil1111I heard wind gusts to 66kph and would speculate that the last operator didn't allow the crane to weathervane when he left it. Also speculating that that mistake would be an act of some God or another. 1) It was an act of God, because everything done is of God. 2) it was an act of terrorism 3) there is no God, and it was simply a chain of events that ended in tragedy. 4) Zeus smited those people with Athena by his side and was cheered on by Poseidon. 5) the Flying Spaghetti Monster wrapped a pasta tentacle around the crane as a giant joke.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BartsDaddy 4 #17 September 12, 2015 yoink***As one who has investigated crane collapses in a professional capacity, my experience is that the majority are due to overload or other operational error rather than poor engineering. Clearly each situation is unique. Operator error is my bet as well. Either the crane was in use when it shouldn't have been, or the supporting structure wasn't engineered properly. From memory isn't there a 50kph limit on tower crane operation unless otherwise specified by the manufacturer? From what I've seen on the interwebs (so it must be true!) Mecca was getting sustained winds of around 40kph that day. It's not hard to believe they got some big gusts... It was not a tower crane. Handguns are only used to fight your way to a good rifle Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Anvilbrother 0 #18 September 12, 2015 You are correct. Reminds me of this one. I got I got it I got it...I dont got it http://youtu.be/K8MhCAy1FvI Postes r made from an iPad or iPhone. Spelling and gramhair mistakes guaranteed move along, Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 1,679 #19 September 12, 2015 BartsDaddy******As one who has investigated crane collapses in a professional capacity, my experience is that the majority are due to overload or other operational error rather than poor engineering. Clearly each situation is unique. Operator error is my bet as well. Either the crane was in use when it shouldn't have been, or the supporting structure wasn't engineered properly. From memory isn't there a 50kph limit on tower crane operation unless otherwise specified by the manufacturer? From what I've seen on the interwebs (so it must be true!) Mecca was getting sustained winds of around 40kph that day. It's not hard to believe they got some big gusts... It was not a tower crane. While every crane failure is unique, this rather famous incident makes interesting reading, since wind was involved. One of my faculty colleagues was an investigator on this one: failures.wikispaces.com/Big+Blue+Crane+Collapse... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Darius11 12 #20 September 13, 2015 LOL I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
oldwomanc6 38 #21 September 13, 2015 Smote. Sheesh. lisa WSCR 594 FB 1023 CBDB 9 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kadde 0 #22 September 14, 2015 AnvilbrotherYou are correct. Reminds me of this one. I got I got it I got it...I dont got it http://youtu.be/K8MhCAy1FvI So you pissed him off aswell?` I work near a construction site, should i change my worklocations until this "god" guys chills the fuck out? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Prior23 0 #23 September 14, 2015 Because winds have NOTHING to do with the sun heating the surface of our planet unevenly. Has to be a bearded wizard conjuring this stuff up somewhere... B.A.S.E. #1734 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Anvilbrother 0 #24 September 14, 2015 No because God does not exist, and all these threads only exist to cleverly bash those that do believe. Postes r made from an iPad or iPhone. Spelling and gramhair mistakes guaranteed move along, Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #25 September 14, 2015 AnvilbrotherNo because God does not exist, and all these threads only exist to cleverly bash those that do believe. Well except for those that seek to proselytize and witness incessantly and tend to over share their particular evangelical faith. I do believe we have seen just a few threads like that from certain posters. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites