Active shooter - DC Navy yard

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dorkitup

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This was a base where there may or may not be nuclear weapons, but there are lots of nuclear weapons technicians.

Please be clear if you want to insinuate something about nuclear weapons or the security of such weapons in the US, particularly at this base. If not, STFU.

Also if not, admit that you're going for some sort of shock value here.
If so, please let us know your experience with nuclear weapons and the security of those particular weapons, particularly at this facility. Thanks!

edit: wow. nevermind...

Hey for a newbie you catch on quick

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masterrig

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All criminals are law abiding right up until the time they commit a crime.

Their law abiding up until the time they commit their first crime, Then their a criminal for the rest of their life.

The shooter is a real piece of work.

http://home.myhughesnet.com/news/read/category/Top%20News/article/ap-police_responding_to_reported_shooter_at-ap


Chuck

Yep.
but: "He is believed to have a criminal record there and to be a holder of a concealed carry weapon permit."

Perps allowed to have guns. OK... here again one slips through the cracks.

[lummy 4]

from the yahoo page;

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One of those officials says Alexis was a 34-year-old from Texas. He is believed to have a criminal record there and to be a holder of a concealed carry weapon permit.

a criminal record and has a concealed carry permit?

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lummy

from the yahoo page;

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One of those officials says Alexis was a 34-year-old from Texas. He is believed to have a criminal record there and to be a holder of a concealed carry weapon permit.

a criminal record and has a concealed carry permit?

Depends on what his crime was. It could have been shoplifting or some other non-violent crime.

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All criminals are law abiding right up until the time they commit a crime.

Their law abiding up until the time they commit their first crime, Then their a criminal for the rest of their life.

The shooter is a real piece of work.

http://home.myhughesnet.com/news/read/category/Top%20News/article/ap-police_responding_to_reported_shooter_at-ap


Chuck

Yep.
but: "He is believed to have a criminal record there and to be a holder of a concealed carry weapon permit."

Perps allowed to have guns. OK... here again one slips through the cracks.

Looks pretty bad to all outward appearances. Could the media have worded that so as to make Texas and CHL's look bad? "It is believed he has a criminal record... where is the author's proof of that? Was it a felony or misdemeanor? Oh, the wonderful, mis-leading media.


Chuck

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>"It is believed he has a criminal record..." where is the author's proof of that?

"Believed" means they do not have proof. (i.e. "where's Joe? I believe he's in the kitchen but I'm not sure . . . .")

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turtlespeed

***Um... There are PLENTY of guns at the Navy yard. Its a Navy base. What do you mean "gun-free zone"?
Except for the museum, you have to present ID and go through security to enter the base.

I understand that also, for many buildings there, there is another level of security where you have to swipe your govt ID card to gain access, which is common in many govt buildings.

Out of curiosity, are you trying to start a gun rant? I'm new to SC and find it a little hard to recognize sometimes.
Not that a gun rant is right or wrong...

H A HA - Fresh Meat!

Take everything here with a nice big grain of salt.
and a gun rant.

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Then why does it feel like you've been here before and fully understand how things operate?

Oh my god. You're a super-sleuth. Where can I get one of your decoder rings?

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billvon

>"It is believed he has a criminal record..." where is the author's proof of that?

"Believed" means they do not have proof. (i.e. "where's Joe? I believe he's in the kitchen but I'm not sure . . . .")

That's what I'm saying. Good example of media misleading the public. Something to stir-up the anti gunners and anti CHL folks.


Chuck

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turtlespeed

******Lack of access control. How could multiple shooters get in? How could one shooter get to the 4th floor of a building with two long guns and a pistol, from which he shoots down into the cafeteria?

Lack of access control is the reason. This has nothing to do with gun ownership by law abiding citizens. Prohibiting law abiding citizens from owning guns is not the solution.

What proof do you have that these guys weren't "law abiding citizens" until this morning?

All criminals are law abiding right up until the time they commit a crime.

Hmmm.

One might argue that they are law abiding citizens until they are convicted of a crime.

Don't tell me that you conveniently forgot about that whole burden of proof thing, and innocent until proven guilty in a court of law thing . . . did you?

Since he will never go on trial, in your eyes his innocence is assured.

Turtlespeed logic strikes again.

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All criminals are law abiding right up until the time they commit a crime.

Their law abiding up until the time they commit their first crime, Then their a criminal for the rest of their life.

The shooter is a real piece of work.

http://home.myhughesnet.com/news/read/category/Top%20News/article/ap-police_responding_to_reported_shooter_at-ap


Chuck

Yep.
but: "He is believed to have a criminal record there and to be a holder of a concealed carry weapon permit."

Perps allowed to have guns. OK... here again one slips through the cracks.

From L.A. Times:

From 2008 until his discharge in 2011, Alexis was a member of an aviation support squadron based in Fort Worth, Texas, where he worked on C-40s, a military version of the Boeing 737 that the Navy uses as a cargo plane. Law enforcement officials said that he was more recently working as a military contractor.

On Sept. 5, 2010, he was arrested in Fort Worth on suspicion of discharging a weapon. Alexis reportedly told officials that the gun had discharged accidentally when he was cleaning it. The Tarrant County district attorney did not prosecute.

So it looks like he was a law abiding citizen and according to Turtlespeed will forever remain one.

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[lummy 4]

the media is reporting that the suspect was arrested in Seattle for opening fire over a parking dispute. Would that arrest have prevented Texas from issuing a concealed carry permit?

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Seattle detectives ultimately arrested Alexis a month later. According to police, Alexis told detectives he had been “mocked” by construction workers and said they had “disrespected him.” Alexis also claimed he had an anger-fueled “blackout,” and could not remember firing his gun at the victims’ vehicle until an hour after the incident.

I promise not to TP Davis under canopy.. I promise not to TP Davis under canopy.. eat sushi, get smoochieTTK#1

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Here's an interesting twist.

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Alexis also told police he was present during "the tragic events of September 11, 2001" and described "how those events had disturbed him." Detectives later spoke with Alexis' father in New York, who told police Alexis had anger-management problems associated with PTSD, and that he had been an active participant in rescue attempts on 9-11.

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http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/09/16/aaron-alexis-navy-yard-shooter/2822731/

If true, it's going to be interesting to see how Rush Limbaugh turns this guy into a terrorist.

What becomes pretty clear, pretty fast is the guy was probably mentally disturbed and shouldn't have had access to guns.

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[normiss 622]

"What becomes pretty clear, pretty fast is the guy was probably mentally disturbed and shouldn't have had access to guns. "

We always stop right there, like it's perfectly acceptable.

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normiss

Then why does it feel like you've been here before and fully understand how things operate?

the behavior and the name versus the registration date have me concluding he's a sleeper sock puppet.

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normiss

We always stop right there, like it's perfectly acceptable.

Yep. The pattern repeats itself over and over. A looney with a gun kills people.

Isn't it about time to put a stop to that?

quade -
The World's Most Boring Skydiver

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lummy

the media is reporting that the suspect was arrested in Seattle for opening fire over a parking dispute. Would that arrest have prevented Texas from issuing a concealed carry permit?

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Seattle detectives ultimately arrested Alexis a month later. According to police, Alexis told detectives he had been “mocked” by construction workers and said they had “disrespected him.” Alexis also claimed he had an anger-fueled “blackout,” and could not remember firing his gun at the victims’ vehicle until an hour after the incident.

Did the media say whether or not the shooter held a Texas CHL before the shooting incident or after the shooting in Seattle? A conviction would prevent him from obtaining a CHL. An arrest only, would come under close scrutiny by Texas DPS.


Chuck

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America, and its inhabitants, are exceptional!!!!
Don't you get it?

P.S.: Putin got it! So does Europe, all of South America, Asia, etc. I think that there are not too many countries these days that want to be like the US!

quade

***We always stop right there, like it's perfectly acceptable.

Yep. The pattern repeats itself over and over. A looney with a gun kills people.

Isn't it about time to put a stop to that?

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normiss

"What becomes pretty clear, pretty fast is the guy was probably mentally disturbed and shouldn't have had access to guns. "

We always stop right there, like it's perfectly acceptable.

Mass shootings have become as American as Apple Pie and baseball.

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Gravitymaster

***from the yahoo page;

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One of those officials says Alexis was a 34-year-old from Texas. He is believed to have a criminal record there and to be a holder of a concealed carry weapon permit.

a criminal record and has a concealed carry permit?

Depends on what his crime was. It could have been shoplifting or some other non-violent crime.

a radio report on the way home tonight stated he had been taken in on suspicion of discharging a weapon in a city limits
The charge was dropped

Again, this story is in its early stages
I just post for info

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[normiss 622]

Entirely dishonest.
Again.


You folks need to find a way to detect the loonies I think.

Otherwise, I'm packing.
With the hopes of nailing one of them before he clips me.

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kallend

***"What becomes pretty clear, pretty fast is the guy was probably mentally disturbed and shouldn't have had access to guns. "

We always stop right there, like it's perfectly acceptable.

Mass shootings have become as American as Apple Pie and baseball.

More bullshit
Incidents have been dropping for decades
reporting has increased much to your joy

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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rushmc

***Mass shootings have become as American as Apple Pie and baseball.

More bullshit
Incidents have been dropping for decades
reporting has increased much to your joy

Support this statement with facts.

Go for it.

quade -
The World's Most Boring Skydiver

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masterrig

***the media is reporting that the suspect was arrested in Seattle for opening fire over a parking dispute. Would that arrest have prevented Texas from issuing a concealed carry permit?

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Seattle detectives ultimately arrested Alexis a month later. According to police, Alexis told detectives he had been “mocked” by construction workers and said they had “disrespected him.” Alexis also claimed he had an anger-fueled “blackout,” and could not remember firing his gun at the victims’ vehicle until an hour after the incident.

Did the media say whether or not the shooter held a Texas CHL before the shooting incident or after the shooting in Seattle? A conviction would prevent him from obtaining a CHL. An arrest only, would come under close scrutiny by Texas DPS.


Chuck

"There's no record that he was ever prosecuted, and a spokeswoman for the Seattle City Attorney's Office, Kimberly Mills, said Monday that her office never received the report from police so did not review it for possible charges."

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kallend

******the media is reporting that the suspect was arrested in Seattle for opening fire over a parking dispute. Would that arrest have prevented Texas from issuing a concealed carry permit?

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Seattle detectives ultimately arrested Alexis a month later. According to police, Alexis told detectives he had been “mocked” by construction workers and said they had “disrespected him.” Alexis also claimed he had an anger-fueled “blackout,” and could not remember firing his gun at the victims’ vehicle until an hour after the incident.

Did the media say whether or not the shooter held a Texas CHL before the shooting incident or after the shooting in Seattle? A conviction would prevent him from obtaining a CHL. An arrest only, would come under close scrutiny by Texas DPS.


Chuck

"There's no record that he was ever prosecuted, and a spokeswoman for the Seattle City Attorney's Office, Kimberly Mills, said Monday that her office never received the report from police so did not review it for possible charges."

An explanation to Texas DPS on his application would be looked into during the background check portion of the application process. It would be up to the Texas Department of Public Safety to approve the application or not.


Chuck