yoink 321 #51 May 10, 2004 135 main, 140/150 reserve... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dumpster 0 #52 May 10, 2004 Reserve - 160 or 170 Main 150 - 170 Currently I'm jumping a 150 Spectre and a PD160 reserve that I've ridden once about 200 jumps ago. (it flies and flares great, btw!) My exit weight - 205# Easy Does It Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dmbale 0 #53 May 10, 2004 Currently I jump a 190 main and have a 175 reserve. I think that my next set up will be a 170 main with a 160 reserve. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skymedic 0 #54 May 10, 2004 QuotePack volume. Nobody likes carrying around a giant rig, and it can be difficult to find (or make) a container whose reserve tray is a lot larger than its main compartment. Both wings and racer have proven they will make any combo main and reserve. it is very do able. my rig is made for a 149Xfire and a 218 reserve. 70 square foot difference...that's as big a difference as soem mains out there now a days. QuoteFamiliarity. If your reserve is drastically different than your main, you might be pretty rusty flying it when the time comes. This probably isn't a big issue if your reserve is large enough to be easy to fly, but it's probably a pretty serious issue if your reserve is smaller than your main. I also don't mind my bigger rig. it gives me peace of mind. what's odd is I had my first cutaway in december. I hadn't flown a bigger than 175ish parachute in over 2 years...but I was so lightly loaded on my reserve it felt like I was flying a skybarge. making it very easy for me to find my landing spot and lots of time to set up for it....very nice indeed. Marc otherwise known as Mr.Fallinwoman.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
174fps 1 #55 May 10, 2004 tempo 150 reserve, spectre 150 main freefall rig swift 220 reserve, lightning 143 main CReW rig Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nicknitro71 0 #56 May 10, 2004 I am not going to downsize my reserve ever. I have two sport rigs with Tempo 150s on them loaded 1.1. The Wings has a Viper 105 and the Jav a FX 111. I also have an old Warp III with a swift 200 reserve and a Prodigy 175 for CRW. One day if I'll be jumping a 78 Xaos 27 I still want a 150 reserve. I don't buy the two-out argument. I am not going to load a F-111 7 cell at 1.6!Memento Audere Semper 903 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bmcd308 0 #57 May 10, 2004 I currently have a Hornet 190 and a Tempo 210. My next main will probably be a 150, but I'll keep the Tempo 210, assuming the container thing works out. ---------------------------------- www.jumpelvis.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
panzwami 0 #58 May 10, 2004 Yep, same here. I've got a 150 main but a 170 reserve, which I plan on keeping. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gmac324 0 #59 May 10, 2004 Got a 120 main and a 126 reserve right now. Would buy a 107 main and 113 reserve in my next rig. But only if I could test jump the reserve a few times first and felt confident that it was big enough! Right now I feel comfortable with what I've got Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Brains 2 #60 May 10, 2004 Old rig, cobalt 135, pdr 160 New rig, cf2 109, pdr 143 Never look down on someone, unless they are going down on you. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Unstable 8 #61 May 11, 2004 I would (and Did) go for a 150 Main and a 150 Tempo Reserve - I kept them the same size because frankly, I'm not loading the Main or Reserve very heavily at all - and regardless of main canopy size, I would be using a 150 Reserve for my body weight....=========Shaun ========== Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites anthonylock 0 #62 May 11, 2004 Recently bought an all new Aerodyne system, Pilot 168, Smart 175. I see no reason to shift down from the 175 reserve for me even if in loads of jumps time i want to down size the main. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites AndyMan 7 #63 May 11, 2004 Stileto 150, and a PD-143. So for now, I fit the old paradigm. I can see a day where I'll downsize my main by going crossbraced. I do not see a day where I'll downsize my reserve, I'm already loading it quite aggresively. _Am__ You put the fun in "funnel" - craichead. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites SLIDER 0 #64 May 11, 2004 Stiletto 150 main and PD143 reserve - I will probably go to a stiletto 135 by the end of this season and I will keep my reserve the same. (even if I downsize more some day) "there's a fine line between hobby and mental illness" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites CanuckInUSA 0 #65 May 11, 2004 I have two rigs: On my multi-purpose rig I jump a Crossfire2 119 with a PD143R. And on my 2nd rig predominately used for wingsuit jumps, I have a Spectre 150 with a PD143R. Try not to worry about the things you have no control over Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites SkymonkeyONE 3 #66 May 11, 2004 I jump a PD 106 reserve in both my rigs and have a 97 (Sabre2) in one as a main and a Velo 79 in the other. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites EricaH 0 #67 May 11, 2004 I have a question relating to this.... John LaBlanc (from PD) was giving a seminar on a 2 out situation & what to do. All his responses were giving a smaller reserve. He said if the reserve is bigger & it is out behind the main (quite typical apparently), it will never stay in a bi-plane, it'll always go into a side-by-side & more probably end up in a down plane. I've always thought that I'd want a larger reserve & will most likely keep my kit in that set-up. I asked John what to do w/ a reserve larger than the main - his response: "don't get in a 2 out situation." My question is, if most people are now leaning toward the larger reserve set-up... how does this affect the 2-out situation scenarios & our response? There is no can't. Only lack of knowledge or fear. Only you can fix your fear. PMS #227 (just like the TV show) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites vdschoor 0 #68 May 11, 2004 Both my containers have a Sabre2 150 in there. One with a PD160R and one with a PD143R The PD160R was in the rig when I bought it, so I just left it in there. If I would buy new gear, I would go for the 150/143 combination again. Iwan Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jas8472 0 #69 May 11, 2004 I've just bought a new system, Pilot 168 Main PD160R Reserve. I'm 210 out the door and would be happy to keep the PD160R forever, regardless of any main I was jumping. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites dragon2 0 #70 May 11, 2004 What I really don't understand is why everybody seems so worked up about 2 out. How common is that, anyway? My view is that is is much better to get a reserve that you will be comfortable with flying and landing in a stressful situation. Since it is MUCH more likely for you to be ending up under just your reserve versus ending up under both canopies, I think it is smarter to concentrate on that. I'd say, get a reserve you feel comfy with, keeping in mind that you will probably be stressed, maybe low, maybe a not-so-good spot, under an unfamiliar canopy, one not made for high wingloads, and take it from there. If you do get 2 out, which I think is mostly avoidable BTW, then deal with it. Maybe get some CReW training if you're not sure, a good idea even if you ARE. You'll be happy after that lineover to have a nice docile boat above your head BTW I have been in a 2 out situation myself, had my own personal downplane too so chopped it. I also have 3 other cutaways (one line-over, one spinner, and one intentional). But as always, talk to your instructor ciel bleu, Saskia Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites nicknitro71 0 #71 May 11, 2004 I just don't buy the argument. don't use seat belts because they have shown they can kill. Same for RSL, cypres, and so forth. What are the odds of a clean cutway and reserve ride vs. two out? I will not load my reserve 1.6 or more. As a matter of fact I don't want to load it more than 1.1 -1.2 max. It's a F-111 7 cell canopy for chirst sake!Memento Audere Semper 903 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites gremlin 0 #72 May 12, 2004 QuoteI've just bought a new system, Pilot 168 Main PD160R Reserve. I'm 210 out the door and would be happy to keep the PD160R forever, regardless of any main I was jumping. You should be able to land your main under a wide variety of circumstances, wind, spot etc. You should be able to land your reserve in EVERY condition in which you will jump - high wind, nil wind, bad spot and off landing, as when you cutaway these situations will present themselves - usually at a low altitude. If you are not confident enough that you will not face-plant a landing in the mud on your main then a more heavily loaded reserve will do more than get your kit muddy!!!I'm drunk, you're drunk, lets go back to mine.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jumpwally 0 #73 May 12, 2004 What does the Homeland Security process have to do with the size of your canopies? geezsmile, be nice, enjoy life FB # - 1083 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites riddler 0 #74 May 13, 2004 Quote"don't get in a 2 out situation." This sounds like a very reasonable response. I've only seen two two-out situations. One was caused by a jumper pulling low, and his AAD activated the reserve at about the same time as the main. One was cause by a jumper that had a streamer and elected to open reserve prior to cutting away because he felt too low to cutaway safely. Both situations were the result of poor judgement - the first jumper could avoid the problem by not pulling low, and the second did not follow good procedures. I'm tempted to say any two-out situation is the fault of the jumper making bad choices - equipment problems may be excepted, but jumpers should also make good equipment choices. I agree about having a larger reserve - I like the idea of having a more docile canopy in an emergency. I'll probably buy new this summer (two rigs just ain't enough ). My plan is to get a 150 main and 160 reserve. My current most-oft-used rig is a 150 main and a 143 reserve. I've seen a trend that jumpers that have a 135 main or larger tend to get a reserve about the same size, while jumpers that have under a 135 main get a reserve that is much bigger, percentage-wise. I assume that's because they don't want to swoop their reserve canopy?Trapped on the surface of a sphere. XKCD Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 Next Page 3 of 3 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0
Brains 2 #60 May 10, 2004 Old rig, cobalt 135, pdr 160 New rig, cf2 109, pdr 143 Never look down on someone, unless they are going down on you. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Unstable 8 #61 May 11, 2004 I would (and Did) go for a 150 Main and a 150 Tempo Reserve - I kept them the same size because frankly, I'm not loading the Main or Reserve very heavily at all - and regardless of main canopy size, I would be using a 150 Reserve for my body weight....=========Shaun ========== Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
anthonylock 0 #62 May 11, 2004 Recently bought an all new Aerodyne system, Pilot 168, Smart 175. I see no reason to shift down from the 175 reserve for me even if in loads of jumps time i want to down size the main. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AndyMan 7 #63 May 11, 2004 Stileto 150, and a PD-143. So for now, I fit the old paradigm. I can see a day where I'll downsize my main by going crossbraced. I do not see a day where I'll downsize my reserve, I'm already loading it quite aggresively. _Am__ You put the fun in "funnel" - craichead. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SLIDER 0 #64 May 11, 2004 Stiletto 150 main and PD143 reserve - I will probably go to a stiletto 135 by the end of this season and I will keep my reserve the same. (even if I downsize more some day) "there's a fine line between hobby and mental illness" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CanuckInUSA 0 #65 May 11, 2004 I have two rigs: On my multi-purpose rig I jump a Crossfire2 119 with a PD143R. And on my 2nd rig predominately used for wingsuit jumps, I have a Spectre 150 with a PD143R. Try not to worry about the things you have no control over Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkymonkeyONE 3 #66 May 11, 2004 I jump a PD 106 reserve in both my rigs and have a 97 (Sabre2) in one as a main and a Velo 79 in the other. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EricaH 0 #67 May 11, 2004 I have a question relating to this.... John LaBlanc (from PD) was giving a seminar on a 2 out situation & what to do. All his responses were giving a smaller reserve. He said if the reserve is bigger & it is out behind the main (quite typical apparently), it will never stay in a bi-plane, it'll always go into a side-by-side & more probably end up in a down plane. I've always thought that I'd want a larger reserve & will most likely keep my kit in that set-up. I asked John what to do w/ a reserve larger than the main - his response: "don't get in a 2 out situation." My question is, if most people are now leaning toward the larger reserve set-up... how does this affect the 2-out situation scenarios & our response? There is no can't. Only lack of knowledge or fear. Only you can fix your fear. PMS #227 (just like the TV show) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vdschoor 0 #68 May 11, 2004 Both my containers have a Sabre2 150 in there. One with a PD160R and one with a PD143R The PD160R was in the rig when I bought it, so I just left it in there. If I would buy new gear, I would go for the 150/143 combination again. Iwan Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jas8472 0 #69 May 11, 2004 I've just bought a new system, Pilot 168 Main PD160R Reserve. I'm 210 out the door and would be happy to keep the PD160R forever, regardless of any main I was jumping. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dragon2 0 #70 May 11, 2004 What I really don't understand is why everybody seems so worked up about 2 out. How common is that, anyway? My view is that is is much better to get a reserve that you will be comfortable with flying and landing in a stressful situation. Since it is MUCH more likely for you to be ending up under just your reserve versus ending up under both canopies, I think it is smarter to concentrate on that. I'd say, get a reserve you feel comfy with, keeping in mind that you will probably be stressed, maybe low, maybe a not-so-good spot, under an unfamiliar canopy, one not made for high wingloads, and take it from there. If you do get 2 out, which I think is mostly avoidable BTW, then deal with it. Maybe get some CReW training if you're not sure, a good idea even if you ARE. You'll be happy after that lineover to have a nice docile boat above your head BTW I have been in a 2 out situation myself, had my own personal downplane too so chopped it. I also have 3 other cutaways (one line-over, one spinner, and one intentional). But as always, talk to your instructor ciel bleu, Saskia Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nicknitro71 0 #71 May 11, 2004 I just don't buy the argument. don't use seat belts because they have shown they can kill. Same for RSL, cypres, and so forth. What are the odds of a clean cutway and reserve ride vs. two out? I will not load my reserve 1.6 or more. As a matter of fact I don't want to load it more than 1.1 -1.2 max. It's a F-111 7 cell canopy for chirst sake!Memento Audere Semper 903 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gremlin 0 #72 May 12, 2004 QuoteI've just bought a new system, Pilot 168 Main PD160R Reserve. I'm 210 out the door and would be happy to keep the PD160R forever, regardless of any main I was jumping. You should be able to land your main under a wide variety of circumstances, wind, spot etc. You should be able to land your reserve in EVERY condition in which you will jump - high wind, nil wind, bad spot and off landing, as when you cutaway these situations will present themselves - usually at a low altitude. If you are not confident enough that you will not face-plant a landing in the mud on your main then a more heavily loaded reserve will do more than get your kit muddy!!!I'm drunk, you're drunk, lets go back to mine.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jumpwally 0 #73 May 12, 2004 What does the Homeland Security process have to do with the size of your canopies? geezsmile, be nice, enjoy life FB # - 1083 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
riddler 0 #74 May 13, 2004 Quote"don't get in a 2 out situation." This sounds like a very reasonable response. I've only seen two two-out situations. One was caused by a jumper pulling low, and his AAD activated the reserve at about the same time as the main. One was cause by a jumper that had a streamer and elected to open reserve prior to cutting away because he felt too low to cutaway safely. Both situations were the result of poor judgement - the first jumper could avoid the problem by not pulling low, and the second did not follow good procedures. I'm tempted to say any two-out situation is the fault of the jumper making bad choices - equipment problems may be excepted, but jumpers should also make good equipment choices. I agree about having a larger reserve - I like the idea of having a more docile canopy in an emergency. I'll probably buy new this summer (two rigs just ain't enough ). My plan is to get a 150 main and 160 reserve. My current most-oft-used rig is a 150 main and a 143 reserve. I've seen a trend that jumpers that have a 135 main or larger tend to get a reserve about the same size, while jumpers that have under a 135 main get a reserve that is much bigger, percentage-wise. I assume that's because they don't want to swoop their reserve canopy?Trapped on the surface of a sphere. XKCD Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
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