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I remember those retarded rats on the Quizno's commercials got stuck in my head then too.

Happy thanksgiving eve to you too. I took a vacation day today. Gunnery Sergeant of Marines "I would like it if I were challenged mentally at my job and not feel like I'm mentally challenged." - Co-worker

Thanks for posting, it reminds me of Marine Corps culture and Esprit De Corps. My military job is moblizing Marines (sending them out to theater) and demobilzing (administratively reattaching them to the reserve unit). Not that hard or dangerous but what comes with that is casualty assistance hooking them up with the VA for injuries sustained while in a combat zone, mental and physical. readjustment back to the life they left to go fight. Also the worst which I haven't had to do yet and that is turn a mother's blue star to gold by delivering a "condolences letter". I hope I don't have to that this go round. A detachment is going soon. Gunnery Sergeant of Marines "I would like it if I were challenged mentally at my job and not feel like I'm mentally challenged." - Co-worker

That was great! Gunnery Sergeant of Marines "I would like it if I were challenged mentally at my job and not feel like I'm mentally challenged." - Co-worker

Super tack the santa hat to a frap hat so that the frap hat is hidden. Gunnery Sergeant of Marines "I would like it if I were challenged mentally at my job and not feel like I'm mentally challenged." - Co-worker

I read you loud and clear. My brother stole an $8,000 check from my father. just went into the house and wrote it forging his name. Later when confronted he told my father I did it and when I confronted him he told me that my father said he could write the check and then after the check was cashed my father changed his mind and got pissed because it was too late. He usually adds just enough truth to anything he lies about and presents it in such a way that you second guess your self thinking that since you have no real proof that it is possible he is telling the truth. Until it happens so often that begine to see when he is doing. By that time he has already found another victim to move on to. Except with family he just stops contacting us I haven't spoken to him in about 2 years because I am on to his bullshit and he knows it. Gunnery Sergeant of Marines "I would like it if I were challenged mentally at my job and not feel like I'm mentally challenged." - Co-worker

I know two people exactly the way you described. Except one person isn't a one up, they just lie just to be able to tell a story to say yeah that happened to me too. so they can piggy back on the stories that you tell that are the truth. Gunnery Sergeant of Marines "I would like it if I were challenged mentally at my job and not feel like I'm mentally challenged." - Co-worker

My apologies as well. No one can take anything that anyone writes wrong if it prsented correctly. Gunnery Sergeant of Marines "I would like it if I were challenged mentally at my job and not feel like I'm mentally challenged." - Co-worker

[reply Ok, and you are replying to someone who may or may not do CRW but Wendy (faulknerwn) who replied to your first comment has more than 3 times the amount of CRW jumps than the total amount of jumps you have listed. Yes you have to have a rigger who knows how to pack them, that is why Jump Shack has (a) an instruction manual and (b) an instructional DVD that shows you how to pack their container. If your rigger can get the pilotchute seated properly you would have to try to wedge a line underneath the pop top. as far as being freefly unfrendly that is even more of a total load of crap. My 11 year old recer with all the velcro riser housings and a velcro pin cover have never failed me while freeflying. The newer recers, which I plan to have one built for me before the end of the year are even more safe. But as with any rig it is only as safe as you the owner make it. My current rig's velcro is getting close to needing to be replaced and I'll have it done at the next repack cycle. ANY container can malfunction if not properly maintained, but it is not the manufacturer's nor the rigger's responsibility to maintain your rig for you. So do not blame them for a rig that you witnessed a riser coming out of the housings, or a premature deployment, go over and talk to the person that has a problem with their container and tell them that they might want to maintain their equipment a little better. Sorry for the rant, I'm done now. read carefully- I didn't even read Wendy's post because I didn't see it. I didn't get an email saying she responded and I didn't sunscribe to the thread. After reading it she wrote if the pop top is seated correctly. IF doesn't mean it is. and pertains to the rigger be good at closing which I addressed in my response to Miami. Also, shoot me for having some knowledge handed down from other CRW dogs who do have plenty jumps (like Wendy) to have credibility and saying that racers weren't good for the reason I stated. That is a debate that should be left to the CRW forums anyway. I am a rigger and have some experience with racers. so you are preaching to the chior. Since we are quoting credentials I see by your profile that you have all the credentials you need to make such a post. No ratings, A license and 250 jumps. It is has become discipline standard to have the modern tuck tabs and closings for a rig to be free fly friendly. (I'm sure someone will have a rebutle for that too.) I based my statement on dscipline standard. I didn't base my statement on that you were lucky with in 250 jumps not to have an opening prematurely and you do what most don't and that is maintiain your rig. If you have had it for the entire 250 jumps. Or have been free flying stable for the entire 250 jumps. So your one case compared to how every many cases pertaining to the subject doesn't make me wrong or you right and vice versa. So I guess we are both a total load of crap. Hell- the whole thread is a load of crap now. The guy just wanted some opinons- I give mine (saying I didn't there was anything wrong with a racer) and and everyone who sells or jumps racers take it personally and gets brave behind a computer screen. No offense to you Wendy, your post wasn't anything but informative (since I just read it) from your experience. IMO I don't think that anyone should apologize for a rant after you made it. If anyone was truely sorry they wouldn't have done it. Now I'm done. Gunnery Sergeant of Marines "I would like it if I were challenged mentally at my job and not feel like I'm mentally challenged." - Co-worker

That's interesting, since 'stereotyped' freeflying is head down... So is Vector 3 bad for head down, since the flap points upwards... I know what you mean, but your argument could be worded better. That may be a matter of semantics. as you said you knew what I was talking about.

You too dude and I think I'm safe from pickles as long as I don't pass out around you. Gunnery Sergeant of Marines "I would like it if I were challenged mentally at my job and not feel like I'm mentally challenged." - Co-worker

Not at all. I understand, well put. Gunnery Sergeant of Marines "I would like it if I were challenged mentally at my job and not feel like I'm mentally challenged." - Co-worker

Is that you, why you pissing and moaning here then, did you send out your moral courage to the dry cleaners Funny, I was speaking of people in general. BTW- I do my own laundry. Gunnery Sergeant of Marines "I would like it if I were challenged mentally at my job and not feel like I'm mentally challenged." - Co-worker

This statement is completely false...I'm curious why you feel this way though. edit to add - Also they are not any harder to close (IMO they are easier), riggers generally don't like them because they are unfamiliar with them. I see that on yor website you have a link to Jump shack but no one else. Please don't be threated that what I type here may affect your racer sales. I hardly think that anything I have to say will keep this jumper from buying one since he has already picked out several designs. To answer your question- Since when is the main flap closed in the proper direction on a racer protect the pin from the realtive wind in a stand or a sit? Unless they have changed it is two skinny tuck tabs or velcro facing the BOC . The realtive wind in a sit or stand can blow that open. This is why they are not free fly friendly. They are not CRW friendly because of the exposed reserve pop top. I don't think you do CRW or you would know that if a line gets trapped under the pop top from an entaglement or a wrap you can't reach it to cut it or get it free and deploying a reserve to clear it is not the thing to do in CRW unless you want to be in deeper shit. before saying someones statement is completely false one should have knowledge of the subject. First, I typed generally riggers don't like them. I didn't type all. What I typed meant that there are riggers out there that have an easy time of closing a racer reserve. what you typed changd my meaning to say no riggers like closeing this rig. Second, I typed a pain to close. I didn't type hard to close. There is a difference IMO Thirdly, riggers can be familiar if they read the manual like they are supposed and the FAR says to do when packing. They are a pain because the rig has to be flipped over to close two loops. It is somewhat difficult to riggers who don't get much practice and since racers aren't on the the field like most. I would think that most riggers don't get much practice with the technique that makes them easy to pack. If we are talking about the same thing then I guess we agree on that part. Gunnery Sergeant of Marines "I would like it if I were challenged mentally at my job and not feel like I'm mentally challenged." - Co-worker

I read most of the thread, keeping it in line with the original post, Seek knowledge and know how to spot. The old school way of spotting is a dying art because of green lights and GPS but you should know how to spot the old way in case the pilot has made an error somehow. Another reason is because things can change all the time and you have to know how to adjust. I have had jumpers try and rush me doing a solo in the past, and videographers for tandems try to rush me when I have a coach student. I ignored them and if they had anything real to say they would approach me on the ground. None of them ever did and they all made it back to the intended landing area. If the plane is loaded correctly you will go before any students but after any groups, since they open higher they can do a go around. The pilot should know to do an offset jump run and even if the run isn't offset it is still safe because tandems, aff and coach students initiate pack opening much higher and will be behind you and the run before the go around. If not then they are breaking BSRs and not paying attention to their altitude. Don't go if you are not comfortable, no one is getting hosed. Blaming others for not pulling higher so they can make it back is a messed up. You are incharge of your jump within reason and your decsion counts not theirs. Again, seek knowledge if you don't know. If you are just winging it then you have no credibility. Just being honest. Hope I helped

Three and five look great. I didn't vote because there is no option for multiple votes. I don't see anything wrong with a racer at all. Riggers generaly don't like them because the reserve is a pain to close. Unless there is something I'm not aware of, unlike most container manufacturers I think this is the only one that didn't need any revisions. For example vector, V2,V3- Mirage G3, G4. Not to say that those containers aren't good, they are all excellent. its just that racer, even though not that popular, was done right enough that they did no improvements over the years. Oh and it is not free fly friendly or very safe for CRW Gunnery Sergeant of Marines "I would like it if I were challenged mentally at my job and not feel like I'm mentally challenged." - Co-worker

I didn't know the people you speak of, but I have known people in the sport lost to accidents. I am proud to know them. I'm proud to know you and so many others. excellent post dude. Gunnery Sergeant of Marines "I would like it if I were challenged mentally at my job and not feel like I'm mentally challenged." - Co-worker

It's NC, that stuff will never last. It will melt in no time and you will all be pond swooping before you know it. Gunnery Sergeant of Marines "I would like it if I were challenged mentally at my job and not feel like I'm mentally challenged." - Co-worker

I only wish I could get distance from those types of people. I try to ignore them but sometimes it is so "in your face" that is makes it hard to do that for a person of integrity and moral courage. Gunnery Sergeant of Marines "I would like it if I were challenged mentally at my job and not feel like I'm mentally challenged." - Co-worker

Thanks. I got the spacer foam back pad but that was because I had a free voucher for it. It is my CRW contiainer so I really enjoyed that i came standard with hip rings. Harness inpout needed to my minimized since I'm doing CRW in it. I did go for the Free fly handle, but the PC and bag stay in a box. I can't use it for CRW. I really love the gusets that are sewn in the main container to kep the risers straight and not wrapping around the reserve container. I free pack with a tail pocket and it helps with on heading openings and keeping my reserve container from getting worn out by the connector links. I did modify it and moved the closing loop to flap one so I could free packand not have the flap of fabric where the loop originally was catch my canopy and tear something. Lightnings have a reefing system for the PC and Bridle that can catch on that thing and cause problems when free packed. Gunnery Sergeant of Marines "I would like it if I were challenged mentally at my job and not feel like I'm mentally challenged." - Co-worker

I was going to say something to a particular manufacturer but ended up letting it go because someone who claimed to know the owner scolded me because they thought I was going to "be mean". I had a problem with another that just left me hanging when I would contact them to ask questions about my order and when I spoke up about it in a professional maner they made poor and generalized blanket all excuses. I got my product and it was fine but I tell people to stay away from that manufacturer because the problem. Gunnery Sergeant of Marines "I would like it if I were challenged mentally at my job and not feel like I'm mentally challenged." - Co-worker

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Ah ha, I just saw after rading that it didn't take place in the U.S. I was confused at first reading your post. Gunnery Sergeant of Marines "I would like it if I were challenged mentally at my job and not feel like I'm mentally challenged." - Co-worker

That is just about the silliest thing I have read in a while. No conviction but a fine? Proof it is a justice system for monetary gains. Gunnery Sergeant of Marines "I would like it if I were challenged mentally at my job and not feel like I'm mentally challenged." - Co-worker

buy the standard PC and convert it later. It isn't that difficult to do and may cost you less. talk to your maste rigger first before doing that. I have a cushioned back pad on my rig but I don't notice it really. The only real use I see is that it would be more confortable in the plane but think about how that sounds. Lots of things make it unconfortable in the plane and a back pad may not solve it in my opinion. RSL good Vigil good Plan on doing any free flying? maybe look into getting a free fly handle. I have one and I'm glad I got it. Even if I don't free fly I'm more relaxed about my PC wiggleing out before I want it to whether in the plane or in the air. I think hip rings are a plus but right now I think oly Icon offers it as standard for no extra cost. Gunnery Sergeant of Marines "I would like it if I were challenged mentally at my job and not feel like I'm mentally challenged." - Co-worker