Kramer 0 #1 October 11, 2003 I am new to the sport, so I don't know too much about wingsuit flying yet. My question is: Do you guys pull a lot lower than a regular skydiver due to the fact that you've got a lot more time before you hit the ground? What is the routine pull altitude for a rather experienced birdman? -Kramer The FAKE KRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAMER!!!!!!!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkymonkeyONE 3 #2 October 11, 2003 Absolutely the opposite in almost ever case. I never pull below 4000 feet in a wingsuit due to the added possibility of suit or main malfunction and the additional time required to deal with them. These, the same reasons we pull higher on Tandems and while skysurfing. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kevin922 0 #3 October 11, 2003 I too pull around 4,000 feet.. now that i'm experienced. Before that I was pulling at 5K. I've taken it down to 3,000 before with no issues, however if you have an issue (such as line twists) that may be too low to have enough time to deal with it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LouDiamond 1 #4 October 11, 2003 As SM1 stated. One doesn't need to take it any lower the 5 K until you have a couple hundred BM flights under your wings. To do so is to tempt fate and reduce your chances of recovery if something does go terribly wrong."It's just skydiving..additional drama is not required" Some people dream about flying, I live my dream SKYMONKEY PUBLISHING Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ManBird 0 #5 October 11, 2003 QuoteDo you guys pull a lot lower than a regular skydiver due to the fact that you've got a lot more time before you hit the ground?Dwain did, as he had this same time to impact theory. However, he was pretty much the only person I knew who did that and when he had a spinning malfunction once, I think even he started to question that theory. For the most part, we dump high."¯"`-._.-¯) ManBird (¯-._.-´"¯" Click Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DrewEckhardt 0 #6 October 12, 2003 4000 feet is a nice pull altitude once you have some wing suit experience. This is because you always have more to deal with after opening (unzip everything, stow your leg wing), may have even more (jammed zippers), and are more likely to have line twists. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fordy 0 #7 October 12, 2003 that's ok for you guy's across the pond who get a zillion feet as standard... from 12,000 we brit's have to eeeek! out the extra altitude to get the same sweet flight times did some niiiice 1 on 1 today and had a blast. FordyFordy Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhreeZone 15 #8 October 13, 2003 Did you mean 4000 feet or 5000 on pull? I personally pull at 4800-4500 on all my flights. When I was doing the first few jumps on each new suit I'd pull at 5200 just to make sure I'd be good to pull.Yesterday is history And tomorrow is a mystery Parachutemanuals.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Aviatrr 0 #9 October 13, 2003 QuoteI personally pull at 4800-4500 on all my flights. When I was doing the first few jumps on each new suit I'd pull at 5200 just to make sure I'd be good to pull. Wow....you guys are making me feel like I'm taking it low since I open at 4,000. I'm under a good canopy by 3.6k when I dump in full flight, and have everything unzipped, slider stowed, and unstowing the toggles by 2.5k(usually closer to 3k) on a Sabre2 loaded at 1.5. Mike Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LouDiamond 1 #10 October 13, 2003 QuoteDid you mean 4000 feet or 5000 on pull? I mean you need to be pulling at 5k until you have become proficient at undoing everything and handling emergencies. This is even more crucial if you are jumping an elliptical or highly loaded canopy regardless of experience."It's just skydiving..additional drama is not required" Some people dream about flying, I live my dream SKYMONKEY PUBLISHING Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
obi 0 #11 October 13, 2003 I fly a s3, a CF 89 and dump at 2500. Had a fast spinner once, tried to repair it for a while, then chopped and landed with no problems. When I jump my Mojo I pull a little higher than without the suit Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LouDiamond 1 #12 October 13, 2003 QuoteI fly a s3, a CF 89 and dump at 2500. And you had a spinner at this altitude and played with it before cutting away? If that is the case you are a very lucky man. I can personally attest to the rapid amount of altitude one can lose in a few seconds when under a spinning canopy. I watched Chuck's canopy drop 2 grand + in the time it took me to say Oh shit when he had his ride in Eloy. I will reiterate what I said earlier, you increase your chances for not recovering from a problem the lower you take it. Be safe, not sorry."It's just skydiving..additional drama is not required" Some people dream about flying, I live my dream SKYMONKEY PUBLISHING Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skybytch 259 #13 October 13, 2003 Quotethat's ok for you guy's across the pond who get a zillion feet as standard... I haven't done a wingsuit flight yet from higher than 12500. I pull at 5k and will continue to do so until I've got a lot more jumps on my suit. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhreeZone 15 #14 October 13, 2003 I was taking my S3 out all this weekend from 8500 and was still getting 55-70 seconds and was pulling at 4300. Not bad since the freeflyers were getting 25 seconds Yesterday is history And tomorrow is a mystery Parachutemanuals.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,400 #15 October 13, 2003 I have 70 jumps on a Classic, 10 on a SF3, and I pull at 3000-4000 depending on the main I'm using. It largely depends on your canopy, I think - larger canopies care less about body position, descend more slowly under normal conditions (giving you more time to deal with zippers etc) and usually get less violent during low speed malfunctions. I've used both a Safire 119 and a Silhouette 170 with both suits, and based on their reactions to the opening I wouldn't take the 119 under 4000 feet. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ManBird 0 #16 October 13, 2003 I totally agree with billvon. It really depends on your main. When I was borrowing a Crossfire 2 for awhile, I dumped at 4k - 4.5k. On my Sabre 120, I usually pulled at 2.5k - 3k. But this was also after I had my stowing routine dialed in and fast. If your canopy has (essentially) no chance of giving you a spinning mal, you're quick at putting your stuff away, and you've given yourself a good spot, then dumping uber high isn't all that necessary. I'm dumping at 3.5k - 4k right now, though, because my new Sabre2 is just too damn fun."¯"`-._.-¯) ManBird (¯-._.-´"¯" Click Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ryoder 1,384 #17 October 13, 2003 3k - Triathlon at 1.1:1 WL."There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
blair700 0 #18 October 14, 2003 I initiate deployment (throw out the PC) around 4500' with a GTI, Vengence 150 loaded at 1.6. I DO NOT pull in full flight with my current setup, instead I go into my pull position at 5grand and 'slow down' until throw time. I would like to be throwing right out of full flight, as this is the technique I need to master before BASE flying, but with my current container, (still haven't done the damn mod), I usually get a nice PC hesi, followed my massive line twists, induced by me of course, when I pull from full flight. Anyways, I've just found this technique to work really well for me, albeit not ideal for my end goals, but I'm working on getting a tamer main, and of course, fixing my G3 to have more open corners. Incidentally, I have a contact at Mirage who just emailed me the 'latest' G3 mod last week, its more aggressive than the past ones, and makes more sense to me now so I'll definitely have it done. Your mileage may vary, Later Blair Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dgskydive 0 #19 October 18, 2003 What Altiude do you guys get out at?Dom Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Faber 0 #20 October 18, 2003 i jump from 13200ft and pull at 300ft or just below it.flying a Classic 2 and had a xfire99 in the container until resently were i got a Sabre120 instead... I did make LQRS at it myself.. I dont BASE my birdsuit Stay safe Stefan Faber Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mjasantos 0 #21 October 18, 2003 Quotei jump from 13200ft and pull at 300ft or just below it. (...) I dont BASE my birdsuit Hi! ??? "pull at 300ft or just below it" ??? 300 ft is way LOW... but "below it"??? OK! OK! You meant 3,000 ft (3k)! ... at 300ft you would be BASE'ing your birdsuit! Blue Skies! ----------------------------- Mario Santos Portugal Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Faber 0 #22 October 19, 2003 HA HA i didnt saw that one,my bad but yes i ment 3k.. by the way as long as you jump from a plane it will be a skydive nomatter the pull attitude Stay safe Stefan Faber Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chuteless 1 #23 October 21, 2003 I used to jump wings in Florida and at Baldwin Ontario back in the 60s. I always opened at 2000...I really dont see why anyone has to open at 5000....thats exit altitude Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chuteless 1 #24 October 21, 2003 300 feet is okay with me....now your back to 3000? I like the first post best. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ManBird 0 #25 October 21, 2003 Yeah, but with these wings, we could exit at five, dump at 3.5k, and still get a longer freefall than you guys did in a low pull contest. ;)"¯"`-._.-¯) ManBird (¯-._.-´"¯" Click Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
