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I have a hunch about something right now. We have concentrated on pilots, jumpers, loadmasters and others. But, in the late 30's and the early 40's there was what was called a "spotter". The first licensed helicopter pilot was NOT until 1945. There is a a whole group of individuals from 1937 to 1946 who were NEVER investigated by the FBI.

Th Flying Johnsons made the first cargo drop by chute (food supplies to the fireline). These guys dropped a seventy pound cargo and chute with thirty dozen eggs
at Powell Ranger Station located at the bottom of a narrow, ditchlike canyon as crooked as a crippled snake's track and covered with dense white pine of the seven-log variety. - a "dropper" pushed the load out. The chute got caught up in the tail assembly and dragged the case of eggs. After quiet a bit of problems he managed to land with the egg crate dragging. Only 4 dz eggs where broke. He later made a replacement delivery successfully to the intended destination. It worked.

I believe this was prior to 1935.
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I have a hunch about something right now. We have concentrated on pilots, jumpers, loadmasters and others. But, in the late 30's and the early 40's there was what was called a "spotter". The first licensed helicopter pilot was NOT until 1945. There is a a whole group of individuals from 1937 to 1946 who were NEVER investigated by the FBI.

Th Flying Johnsons made the first cargo drop by chute (food supplies to the fireline). These guys dropped a seventy pound cargo and chute with thirty dozen eggs
at Powell Ranger Station located at the bottom of a narrow, ditchlike canyon as crooked as a crippled snake's track and covered with dense white pine of the seven-log variety. - a "dropper" pushed the load out. The chute got caught up in the tail assembly and dragged the case of eggs. After quiet a bit of problems he managed to land with the egg crate dragging. Only 4 dz eggs where broke. He later made a replacement delivery successfully to the intended destination. It worked.

I believe this was prior to 1935.



Darn tootin! Sheknee Canoe and Watty McGiver and
Benny Amrbose, all famous hermits, were NEVER
investigated by the FBI. Shame on the FBI!

Lilly Tomlin was investigated so we can rule her out.

Have you and Par Bey ever been investigated?
(The Bahamas Par Bey, also spelled Par Beah).
Photo attachmonte'. Sister Stella palm readers
off shore bring back any memories?

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The guys were jumping with a back pack - ( Eagle Thrirty-foot chute )and the emergency chest pack a twenty-seven foot canopy.

The outfit consisted of an athletic supporter, anke braces, combined back and abdominal braces, two-piece padded felt suit, football helmet with wire meshe, stout gloves and logger boots.

Now I find that combined back and abdominal brace interesting - remember the item DUANE did not want me to get rid of even though he never wore it... that is what it was called.

We have also questioned not being about to "pull" with the gloves - the guys used stout gloves whatever that means.

The chest pack protected the jumpers from injuries when they slammed into limbs and trees trunks. Interesting statement I think.

If I am reading this right the techniques and ideas used by these men where incorporated by Major William Cory Lee in organizing the first paratroop training at Fort Benning in 1940By 1941 all smokejumping operations were confinded to Region One and Missoula. The do not define what Region One was. In 1941 was when the static line release was developed. The war cut into the amount of recruits and equipment available in 1942.

By spring of 1943 the manpower shortage was so ACUTE and the need for addtional squads so imperative that sixty 4-e draftees (concisentious objectors) from CPS camps were selected as jumpers. As the burden increase dht the USCosast Guard, flight suregeon from the US Air Force and a group from the Canadian Air Observer School - a larger traing load was undertaken.

All of this required obstacle courses and jump towers - men had to be hire to do this. In 1944 the jumpers were taken into the Forest Service setup as a regular organization - ranger stations reduce the number of back-country smokechaser.

1946 was the yr. 84 percent of the were then ex-service men and the CPS workers were gone. Very few of the seasoned crews (1940 -1945) would remain active.

The forgotten man of smoke jumping is the Forest Service Spotter. The spotter has to check and must pick sutiable landing spots and check wind drifts, picking the right moment to send the boys out and coordinate every move with the pilot.

On cargo jumps he works close to an open door - lining up the drop stuff and has to take full-power dive, fast climbs, bouncing around and cannot do a thing in tight spots but ride it out.
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But still, I come back to the loose ends - why the death-bed confessions, McCoy in Vegas, Duane in P'land, Gossett whereever, etc.? I'm just looking for an over-arching concept, a hypothesis, that ties them together.



Why is it any different from all the wierdos everywhere who confess to crimes they didn't commit?
Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.

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But still, I come back to the loose ends - why the death-bed confessions, McCoy in Vegas, Duane in P'land, Gossett whereever, etc.? I'm just looking for an over-arching concept, a hypothesis, that ties them together.



Why is it any different from all the wierdos everywhere who confess to crimes they didn't commit?



For example: Wiki:
Over 100 people claimed to have abducted the child in the Lindbergh kidnapping.
Over 500 people claimed to have been involved with the Black Dahlia murder.


Jo, no-one has "forgotten" about spotters, although perhaps non-skydivers would not think about them. Can someone verify, would spotting usually have been the loadmaster's duty in the military (pre GPS)?
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We have also questioned not being about to "pull" with the gloves - the guys used stout gloves whatever that means.



As far as I know smoke jumper main chute rigs did not use ripcords. They were static line rigs. There was no need to pull anything with your hands to open your main.

All this stuff about smoke jumpers and spotters is interesting, because I like aviation history, but I don't see any credible evidence linking Duane to ANY aspect of sport, military or fire fighting parachute operations. Put Duane under a chute or in a jumpship of any kind and I will pay attention.

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We have also questioned not being about to "pull" with the gloves - the guys used stout gloves whatever that means.



As far as I know smoke jumper main chute rigs did not use ripcords. They were static line rigs. There was no need to pull anything with your hands.

All this stuff about smoke jumpers and spotters is interesting, because I like aviation history, but I don't see any credible evidence linking Duane to ANY aspect of sport, military or fire fighting parachute operations. Put Duane under a chute or in a jumpship of any kind and I will pay attention.

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Ah boat its how ya reads da tea leaves and the palms
doncha know, down B'hama way. Dat Par Bey and di
Sistr Stella. Off shore accounts? An Florida is a lot
closer to Cuba than its is to Washignton State, doncha know. Enough for now on da Par Bey thing. But Sistr
Stella may have some word of wisdom for ya all.

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The guys were jumping with a back pack - ( Eagle Thrirty-foot chute )and the emergency chest pack a twenty-seven foot canopy.

The outfit consisted of an athletic supporter, anke braces, combined back and abdominal braces, two-piece padded felt suit, football helmet with wire meshe, stout gloves and logger boots.

Now I find that combined back and abdominal brace interesting - remember the item DUANE did not want me to get rid of even though he never wore it... that is what it was called.

We have also questioned not being about to "pull" with the gloves - the guys used stout gloves whatever that means.

The chest pack protected the jumpers from injuries when they slammed into limbs and trees trunks. Interesting statement I think.

If I am reading this right the techniques and ideas used by these men where incorporated by Major William Cory Lee in organizing the first paratroop training at Fort Benning in 1940By 1941 all smokejumping operations were confinded to Region One and Missoula. The do not define what Region One was. In 1941 was when the static line release was developed. The war cut into the amount of recruits and equipment available in 1942.

By spring of 1943 the manpower shortage was so ACUTE and the need for addtional squads so imperative that sixty 4-e draftees (concisentious objectors) from CPS camps were selected as jumpers. As the burden increase dht the USCosast Guard, flight suregeon from the US Air Force and a group from the Canadian Air Observer School - a larger traing load was undertaken.

All of this required obstacle courses and jump towers - men had to be hire to do this. In 1944 the jumpers were taken into the Forest Service setup as a regular organization - ranger stations reduce the number of back-country smokechaser.

1946 was the yr. 84 percent of the were then ex-service men and the CPS workers were gone. Very few of the seasoned crews (1940 -1945) would remain active.

The forgotten man of smoke jumping is the Forest Service Spotter. The spotter has to check and must pick sutiable landing spots and check wind drifts, picking the right moment to send the boys out and coordinate every move with the pilot.

On cargo jumps he works close to an open door - lining up the drop stuff and has to take full-power dive, fast climbs, bouncing around and cannot do a thing in tight spots but ride it out.




This is actually pretty funny. Talk about 'gilding the lily'!

So by applying the same logic, if "Ears Weber"
had several degrees from prison, cases in the background being investigated, a cane, medication
for Polycystic Kidney Disease, a congenital hip problem and that "funny walk" you have always described, a
back brace, back support wraps, medication for pain,
and whatever other devices and medications Duane had (a long list) ....

ALL OF THESE now amount to the core requirements
for employment a smoke jumper, spotter, cargo man, or whatever... as defined by you as a replacement for the Congressional-HUD Dictionary of Occupational Titles (HUD) ... because they were traits Duane had?

That Duane was the example in the realm of occupational criteria, not the exception to the rule?

That's pretty funny, if I may say so.

Have you advised the Bureau of Standards that you
are replacing them with the Jo Weber Bureau of
Standards, all based on Duane-values?

So, let's just ignore Duane's elf ears since you and others refuse to discuss that, in order to keep this
thread consistent in avoidance-ignorance, but moving along !

So in summation, your case for Duane rests on
NOT ONE FACT OF PHYSICAL EVIDENCE AT ALL.

BUT SIMPLY ON STORIES ABOUT EVIDENCE - which conveniently change or do not exist or disappeared without a shred of witness testimony (only your testimony) except that you always claim to have more evidence but you will not show it until the appropriate time, when Venus is in conjunction with Messier-31
in the next century?

Have you ever heard the expression: Put up or shut up?

You make very powerful claims against the FBI and
by extension the US Justice Dept, several Attorney
Generals, several FBI Directors, etc etc etc etc.

Do you find yourself entertaining?

Pst: did Duane have a goiter? Any other growths or
tumors consistent with PKD? Diabetes onset date?

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Little did he know at the time, but Hal Williams will never be allowed to forget the man all dressed in black he met 10 years ago on Thanksgiving Eve.

Williams was the ticket agent at the gate for the Northwest Orient flight. The man dressed all in black – including a black attaché case – was Dan Cooper, the first hijacker to parachute from a plane. He hasn’t been seen or heard from since.

“I couldn’t help but notice him,” said Williams, who operates Royal Oak Furniture Refinishing in Portland. “His clothing was all black, including his shoes and his attaché case. Even his hair was kind of Black”

“It was about three in the afternoon, and the other 20 or thirty people waiting for the flight to Seattle were milling around – laughing and back-slapping. But he stood off to himself … very calm and quiet … and looking out the window most of the time.”

“No, I didn’t suspect anything bad while observing him. He looked like a sharp businessman to me. But I noticed him quite a bit because his behavior was different from the others, and he was all in black during the day of polyesters and plaids.”


And, later in the article:

“The FBI talked with xxxxxxxxx
years – after the xxxxxxxxx
just kept coming back. xxxxxxxxx
through my mind once xxxxxxxxx
maybe they thought I xxxxxxxxx
with Cooper,” Williams xxxxxxxxx

“And the people I xxxxxxxxx
were always teasing me xxxxxxxxx
I was going to do with xxxxxxxxx
money. All that talk xxxxxxxxx
while, but then it got to xxxxxxxxx


And later:

It was Williams who xxxxxxxxx
Cooper description from xxxxxxxxx
drew facial pictures of xxxxxxxxx
“The composite drawing xxxxxxxxx

[remainder obliterated]



It reads like a typical filler story to me, a newspaper
would run. It's anecdotal and topical. Fact checking
a short article like this will be difficult now.

It makes sense Williams would have been among those used to build a physical description with facial composites for Cooper. But the exact history, only the FBI can provide if they even still know it. You might contact Larry Carr in this regard. This is an historical
issue you bring up. Primary sources have the most
value and only the FBI has those.

In the beginning there was much confusion. Why
would it be surprising to discover several composites
from this period of uncertainty? (None of them remotely look like Duane Weber, for example.) I
tend to agree with Ckret who basically said that as
time went on descriptions tended to merge and
become consistent. That is an equally important fact
alongside any 'variance' you find and might think
is somehow crucial. But Williams would have been
a primary witness, in any event.

In addition to balance things out, I do not recall
Williams suddenly becoming a celebrity giving and
seeking interviews, even in 1981. But whatever post-hoc interviews Williams may have given it must
be balanced with his original FBI testimonies and
you dont have access to those -

One thing that does strike me a bit peculiar is the
use of the word "gate" above. "Williams was the ticket agent at the gate for the Northwest Orient flight."

I assume they are talking about the ticket counter
vrs. boarding gate? Or was Williams in both places
and dealt with Cooper personally, twice?

Williams does describe watching Cooper along with
the rest of the passengers, presumably from the time
Cooper purchased his ticket until the passengers as
a group boarded the plane. And William's description of Cooper is a bit inconsistent there -

Wm's says: "“No, I didn’t suspect anything bad while observing him. He looked like a sharp businessman to me. But I noticed him quite a bit because his behavior was different from the others, and he was all in black during the day of polyesters and plaids.”

So is Williams saying: 'I didnt suspect anything bad'
.... "But I noticed him quite a bit because his behavior was different from the others..."

So Cooper was "different" but that was not "bad".

One can almost fill in the rest for the young Williams
making such remarks:

ie, '... and it was the afternoon just before Thanksgiving and I was anxious to get the hell out
of here and get home to my Turkey, my ove interest,
and get to Grandma's house!'

hee=hee. The rest is Simmonsesque, just as
Ckret warned.

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The static line is talked about but was developed AFTER these guys where trained. I will find it later and state it if I have not already done so.

Restating this below:
If I am reading this right the techniques and ideas used by these men where incorporated by Major William Cory Lee in organizing the first paratroop training at Fort Benning in 1940. By 1941 all smokejumping operations were confinded to Region One and Missoula. They do not define what Region One was. In 1941 was when the static line release was developed. The war cut into the amount of recruits and equipment available in 1942.

P.S. From what I am reading this was developed in 1941 but not fully functional until later...in certain circumstances the static line is not feasible...weather conditions and terrain.
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The static line is talked about but was developed AFTER these guys where trained. I will find it later and state it if I have not already done so.

Restating this below:
If I am reading this right the techniques and ideas used by these men where incorporated by Major William Cory Lee in organizing the first paratroop training at Fort Benning in 1940. By 1941 all smokejumping operations were confinded to Region One and Missoula. They do not define what Region One was. In 1941 was when the static line release was developed. The war cut into the amount of recruits and equipment available in 1942.

P.S. From what I am reading this was developed in 1941 but not fully functional until later...in certain circumstances the static line is not feasible...weather conditions and terrain.




Have you consulted the experts at Static Line Magazine, in existence since 1947?

http://www.staticlinemagazine.com/

I would take these true experts over you!

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The static line is



Bad-boy Duane has very distinctive facial features.
Wouldnt you agree? Note the angular displacement
of his nose and lips (lip sag). Who broke his nose for him?

And those elf ears!

You could claim he had facial reconstruction (plastic
surgery) after he hijacked 305 in 1971! Botched job?

You could move to England and be well-received
and meet the Queen as a celebrity?

Got any Soviet secrets to share?

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So by applying the same logic, if "Ears Weber"
had several degrees from prison, cases in the background being investigated, a cane, medication
for Polycystic Kidney Disease, a congenital hip problem and that "funny walk" you have always described, a
back brace, back support wraps, medication for pain,
and whatever other devices and medications Duane had (a long list) ....



:(Why are you being so ridiculous. I didn't even mention Weber, just making contributions from what I have learned.

:)He was taking NO medication for the hereditary kidney problem other than in 1976 blood pressure medication. There was no funny walk or cane.
It was later in life and the results of diaylsis which started in 1990 which depletes the calcium and creates severe osteoporsis.

:SEveryone as they age developes problems - we are talking 1971 NOT 1987 when the disease took a stage advance in progression. Please try to allow me to make intelligent contributory posts based on research without continually bashing my cause or reasons.

[:/]I am trying to establish the background not of Weber but a possible background for Cooper which may have provided the knowledge and also be why the FBI never found Cooper. This can apply to many other individuals besides Weber.

:oThis is just an era that we have missed - 1930's - 1945 that is not military connected and an era not well documented with records such as employment records. Even the early CPS records of not complete. Cooper could have had some kind of involvement in the 40's with all of the above.

P.S.
Perhaps a closed mind is why the FBI didn't find Cooper.



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Have you consulted the experts at Static Line Magazine, in existence since 1947?

http://www.staticlinemagazine.com/



Thank you for that information - exactly what I was looking for as I only have 2 references so far as to the developement and employment of the static line.

They had been using a form of the static to drop hay and food and supplies, but not the jumpers until sometime in 1941. Obviously it needed some refinement to be of use to the jumpers and without additional risks for the jumper.
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So by applying the same logic, if "Ears Weber"
had several degrees from prison, cases in the background being investigated, a cane, medication
for Polycystic Kidney Disease, a congenital hip problem and that "funny walk" you have always described, a
back brace, back support wraps, medication for pain,
and whatever other devices and medications Duane had (a long list) ....



:(Why are you being so ridiculous. I didn't even mention Weber, just making contributions from what I have learned.

:)He was taking NO medication for the hereditary kidney problem other than in 1976 blood pressure medication. There was no funny walk or cane.
It was later in life and the results of diaylsis which started in 1990 which depletes the calcium and creates severe osteoporsis.

:SEveryone as they age developes problems - we are talking 1971 NOT 1987 when the disease took a stage advance in progression. Please try to allow me to make intelligent contributory posts based on research without continually bashing my cause or reasons.

[:/]I am trying to establish the background not of Weber but a possible background for Cooper which may have provided the knowledge and also be why the FBI never found Cooper. This can apply to many other individuals besides Weber.

:oThis is just an era that we have missed - 1930's - 1945 that is not military connected and an era not well documented with records such as employment records. Even the early CPS records of not complete. Cooper could have had some kind of involvement in the 40's with all of the above.

P.S.
Perhaps a closed mind is why the FBI didn't find Cooper.


The FBI does not run brothels and admit every
Dick who has a $5 bill in their pocket!

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The static line is talked about but was developed AFTER these guys where trained. I will find it later and state it if I have not already done so.


P.S. From what I am reading this was developed in 1941 but not fully functional until later...in certain circumstances the static line is not feasible...weather conditions and terrain.



Might want to chat with Tiny Broadwick....She was using a static line back in 1914.
Tiny Broadwick History

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"In April 1914 Charles Broadwick invented the back pack container, his design resembled a sleeveless coat, the canopy and suspension lines were stowed on the back, the apex was attached to a static line on the back with a breakaway tie and a static line that could be hooked anywhere available, it was similar to the design used today."

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.in certain circumstances the static line is not feasible...weather conditions and terrain.



Jo,

Do you have info that smoke jumpers made free fall ripcord pull jumps in the 1940s or at any time? That is something I did not know. I though all their jumps were S/L.

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.in certain circumstances the static line is not feasible...weather conditions and terrain.



Jo,

Do you have info that smoke jumpers made free fall ripcord pull jumps in the 1940s or at any time? That is something I did not know. I though all their jumps were S/L.

377



Note the date of Orange's question below:


Orange1
Aug 26, 2007, 12:58 PM
Post #393 of 1694 (1360 views)

Re: [flybounce] D B Cooper Unsolved Skyjacking [In reply to]
I don't want to be part of all this finger pointing but to repeat an earlier question that went unanswered: Jo, in your first post you said you had done everything for the FBI but put Duane in a parachute. Have you yet managed to uncover any evidence that Duane knew how to skydive?"

Does time have any meaning here?

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I have a hunch about something right now.



MoJo (Oswald) has sent me yet another PM.
As promised it was flushed instantly.

Here it is:

" skyjack71

Date Sent:
May 23, 2009, 3:17 PM
There is no excuse in a one line reply lilke that. Can't you make with your education a contributory suggestion without bashing Weber - You do your damnest to make him sound sleazy. He did not come from a family that was sleazy - in fact Duane was an embarassment to them. Yes, he led a SLEAZY life - I don't need to be reminded of what I was married to for 17 yrs. I want to find out what made him tick and why he changed his life - I want to understand why he told me the things he did - please allow me that freedom without the heckling. Otherwise you seem like a nice person."

In essence Jo is asking us to hold the truth in
reserve and not mention or discuss it, so we may procede here at her politeness!

Send me more PMs JO so I can flush them too!

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.in certain circumstances the static line is not feasible...weather conditions and terrain.



Jo,

Do you have info that smoke jumpers made free fall ripcord pull jumps in the 1940s or at any time? That is something I did not know. I though all their jumps were S/L.

377



oh come on, it is a load of bollocks that "conditions" make free fall more suitable than static line. Seriously I get pissed as ignorance dressed in arrogance - not directed at you 377. This is the kind of media based misrepresentation of facts, where student jumpers (static line) are not allowed to jump, but experienced jumpers are (free fall) therefore 2+2 = 10 and static line can't be used in certain conditions.
Experienced jumper - someone who has made mistakes more often than I have and lived.

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.in certain circumstances the static line is not feasible...weather conditions and terrain.



Jo,

Do you have info that smoke jumpers made free fall ripcord pull jumps in the 1940s or at any time? That is something I did not know. I though all their jumps were S/L.

377



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Bob Buquor, first 6 man star, early D-License Holders with comments, Up date from the Pacific Northwest.

I had about 50 jumps with Bob Buquor at the Arvin DZ. With most of them, Bob was taking photo's with his motorized 35 mm Nikon mounted on his helmet. I knew Bob from San Antonio, Texas before we both ended up in California. Bob had a low C license number C-150 but never got around to applying for his D license because he thought that C-150 would look better than a higher number D license (ahhh, vanity).

Bob was trying to make it in the movie business. He shot freefall sequences for part of the "Rip Cord" series and for several movies. At that time, I was a 1st Lieutenant in the USAF at the Flight Research Center at Edward's AFB Calif. I had applied for my D license earlier while still at the University of Texas working on my PhD. I did most of my California sport jumping at the Lancaster DZ which was close to Edwards AFB. However, Bob and I would get together at Arvin to jump. Bob shot the photo's when we made the "First Six Man Star in the World" September 6, 1964, at Arvin, California." The photo of the Six Man Star was the centerfold of Skydiver Magazine. Another Skydiver Magazine centerfold showed the same group of jumpers leaving the Twin Beach. After 1965, I did more flying than jumping and got my commercial, instrument, multi-engine and flight instructor pilot ratings.

Richard Economy D-115 See List of Early D license holders below.

The Bob Buquor Memorial Star Crest

The Bob Buquor Memorial Star Crest (BBMSC) is a perpetual memorial to commemorate the efforts of the late Robert H. Buquor who played a major role in the origin of star formation relative work.

Bob Buquor initiated and photographed the majority of the star attempts at Arvin, California in the early 1960's and was successful in capturing the first 8-way star there on film on October 17, 1965.

Bob drowned off Malibu Beach, California in 1966, while filming a dangerous movie sequence for a major studio. It is to his driving enthusiasm in this aspect of the sport that this membership is dedicated.

Note: Bob was a good swimmer and would not have drowned if he would have dumped his helmet with a large 35mm movie camera mounted on it and the large heavy battery pack attached to his waist. But good jumpers never dropped ripcords handles or dump large expensive cameras in the ocean.
The camera and battery pack were recovered along with Bob's body.

http://www.scr-awards.com/

Star Crest Awards See below for all Star Crest Awards
http://www.scr-awards.com/bbmsc_the_beginning.html

The was no Accelerated Freefall program, no AAD's, no Dytters, no altimeters and no packers. Your main canopy was a 28-foot round. Your reserve was a 24-foot flat circular canopy. All of which were purchased as "military surplus." And then, you had to convince some pilot that it was a good idea to take you up to five thousand feet, open the door, fling yourself out and learn... See below for all Star Crest Awards

First 6 Man Star Photo by B Buquor
September 6, 1964. Arvin, California
John DePorter Mitch Proteet -Black on left
Richard Economy -Yellow Lou Paproski
Don Henderson -Purple Al Paradowski




List of Early D License Holders Note: I do not have all of the comments from other jumpers entered into the list. You could update the list with the additional comments from other jumpers. DrEco

Dear Dr. Economy:
It good to hear for an early D license holder. We are working on the electronic version of the "A", "B", "C" and "D" License holders.

I was able to complete the list for D License numbers 1 through 400 for your use.
Please see list attached. If you should have any further questions, please feel free to contact us.

Blue Safe Skies, April 20, 2003
Michelle Garvin
Director of Membership Services
USPA Alexandria, VA

Note on D-License numbers: By December 1961, I had over 200 free fall jumps (I had no static line jumps) but had never applied for PCA (later called USPA) membership or for an PCA: A, B or C Licenses (Note: In Central Texas in early 1960's, no one paid much attention to the PCA, their safety rules, or their license)
I had all the requirements for my D-License and applied to the PCA for membership and my D-License in late 1961 when the D-License numbers were in the 50's. I got my D-License over six months later in May 1962 with a D-License Number of 115 over 60 numbers higher.

I talked to a guy who had been at Orange, Mass. (the old PCA headquarters) and he told me that Istel and the other officers at the PCA had given priority for low D-Licenses to 1) their long term PCA members with A, B, C License, 2) jumpers from the major PCA approved DZ's i.e. California; 3) their buddies at Orange and other New England DZ's; and 4) to the Army jumpers e.g., Golden Knights. Based on my application date, he said my D-License should have been in the 70 to 80 range (oh well!!)

Note:I had between 20 to 50+ relative work jumps with the following Bold Underlined D license holder.

List of Early D License Holders:
No. - Location - Name
1 MA Lewis B Sanborn
2 MA Jacques A Istel
3 MA Dana Paul Smith
4 MA Darius Vakharia
5 PA Steve Snyder
6 MO George P Taylor
7 AK Heisel Christian
8 VA Verlin Glenn
9 CA Lt. James P Pearson
10 NY Robert M McDonnell
11 GA Danny Byard
12 NC Loy Brydon
13 NY Jim Arender
14 Ernest Lynn Pyland
15 NC Merrill L Shepard
16 MA Edward F Strong
17 Ray Love
18 KY Michael Kremar
19 Jack Helms
20 NC Herry E Arter
21 MA Mark Schmidt
22 NC Gerald F Bourquin
23 PA William C Edge
24 PA Robert Spatola
25 NC Harold R Lewis
26 MA William G Jolly
27 Lee Ray K Smith
28 GA Elfers, William
29 KY Kirtley, Thomas
30 NY MacPherson, Allan
31 MA Straus, Bradford
32 Unziker, William J.
33 CA Hulick, Gerald W.
34 PA Bahor, Erick M.
35 KY Meyers, Lee A
36 OH Reed/Sherman Wilson
37 TX Duncan/Edmond C
38 NC Fortenberry, Richard T
39 NC Jorgensen, Keith C
40 NC Dunphry, Richard
41 NC Martin, Roy D
42 TX Jacks, Clyde E. I had about 50 Jumps with Clyde who had Gold Wings 1 or 2. With about 1500 jumps he was killed doing low altitude rolls in his stunt plane near Houston, Texas in Nov., 1962.
43 CA Pol, James E.
44 OH Harding, Daniel E
45 CA Skinner, Robert W.
46 IN MacPherson, Dennis H
47 FL Poppenhager, Paul J.
48 VA Hale, Roger, C.
49 MA Moge, Maurice R.
50 NJ Guilfoyle, Lee
51 CA Stevens, Perry D.
52 CA Murry, robert A.
53 CA Duncan, Edmond C.
54 CA Williams, Verne
55 CA Kilsow, Arthur
56 FL Brezin, Ben
57 MN Mathwig/Jerry E
58 MO Williams, Douglas E
59 CA Kochenberg, Dale R.
60 IL Stoyas, James C. Creamed In 1982
61 APO NY Chace, John P.
62 NC Ward, Richard F.
63 CA Simbro, Henry L. Jumped with Hank and Muriel at Lancaster, Taft and Arvin DZ's
64 CA Percival/John Moring
65 WI Goetsch/Phillip L
66 APO NY Charland, Normand E.
67 GA Edwards, Roy L.D.
68 OH Beyan, Dennis P.
69 VT Pond/Nathan
70 KY McDonald/Coy O
71 NC Letbetter, Bobby W.
72 SD Smith/Richard Nelson
73 NC Hollis/John T
74 AZ Hirschberg/Kenneth Allen
75 NC Perry, James M
76 CA Buckner, Robert H, Jr.
77 NC Norman, Joe
78 CA Muriel, Jean Simbro Wife of Henry Simbro D-63
79 NJ O'Reilly, James J.
80 NC Yost, Charles E.
81 FL Benoit, Chritten P.
82 NC Cole, Ray S., Jr.
83 CO McCarthy/William E
84 CA Cupp, Jack M. Jumps with Cupp at Lancaster, Taft and Arvin DZ's.
85 OH McLean, Howard
86 CA McClellan, Haynes, F.
87 NC Mills, Wesley G., Jr.
88 FL Horvath, Martin J.
89 TX Fitch, Edward D. Dr. Fitch (C-198), a friend of Clyde Jacks, was a Heart Surgeon in Houston. Had about 30 jumps with Fitch at Bee Line and Midway DZ's near Houston,Texas
90 NC Charette/Wja
91 OH Gates/Dale V/ Jr
92 NC Webber, Claude A
93 OR Scott, John A
94 MO Garrison, James W.
95 CA Molitar, Don Jumps with Molitar at Taft and Arvin DZ's.
96 SC Coleman/Maurice C
97 OH Draper, John D.
97-A NC Palmer, Ralph K.
98 PA Pasquale, John F.
99 NC Williford, Sherman H.
100 FL Shuford, Richard H.
101 PA Yurchison, John
102 NY Markhoff, William C.
103 WA Ady, Jack
104 NY Feeney/Gene F
105 NC McCusker, James
106 MI Allen, Fred L.
107 MI Raddick, Robert A.
108 OH Baron, Mark
109 CA Sellers, John M.
110 CA Haring, Robert
111 CA Carpenter, Frank Jumps with Carpenter at Taft and Arvin DZ's
112 FL Wright, Harold L.
113 CA McDonald, James P.
114 TX Anagnostis/Constantine B
115 TX Economy, Richard First Jump: a jump/pull from J3 Cub April 1960 at Casterville, Texas. Third Jump:12 second delay freefall from 3500 ft from J3 Cub with no sleeve (hard opening). Fourth jump:15 second delay freefall from 4000 ft from J3 Cub. Used a sleeve for the first time (big difference). Jump 7: Landed in Mitchell lake. Jump 8: a night jump. Spotted for myself the first 10 jumps.
116 CA Sewell, Ronald D. Jumps with Ron Sewell at Lancaster
117 JAPAN Adair, Willie (Duke)
118 FL Mathews/Robert Anthony/Jr
119 APO NY Lanier, Robert H.
120 WA Peterson, Cal
121 FL Kruse, Edward P.
122 FL Picard, Harold W.
123 NM Mulcalry, George R.
124 CA Martin, Coy D.
125 AZ Jenkins/Steve
126 FL Godwin/Jimmy F
127 FL Gaffney, John D.
128 VA Waugh, Leonard A
129 CO Smith/N Ray
130 CA Flick, Leslie L.
131 Johnson, Howard R.
132 CA McRae, Monte J.
133 TX Lewis, James E.
134 WA Johnston, Howard r.
135 FL Wenk, Peter, J.
136 CA Gividen, George M.
137 CA David, Harold L.
138 WA Gainor/Denny Bear
139 KY Howard, Michael
140 KY Allsopp, Leonard E.
141 SC Selby, Edward B. Jr.
142 TX Fowler/James Floyd/Jr
143 CA Freeze, Ronald S.
144 NC Baker, Alton, W.
145 FL Dupuis, Lawrence
146 CA Lizzio, James R.
147 MA Soutter, Nicholas B.
148 NC Duffy, Ray
149 APO NY Stroughbaugh, Donald
150 NC VanderWeg, Phillip J.
151 KS Passailaigne, Edward P. Jr.
152 TX Wallace, Carlos, G.
153 VA Jones, Sonny
154 HI Gough, Harold W. Jr.
155 NC Saunders, Joseph G.
156 NY Wild, Frederick W
157 AK Sisler, G. Ken
158 IL Morrow, Don
159 FL Addison, Wilbert E.
160 MA Doolittle, Lewis E.
161 NV Evans, Hal
162 CO Driver, William K.
163 KY Kidwell, Jerry G
164 HI Galbraith, Lachlan, N.
165 CA Rinder, James, E.
166 NC Pronier/Robert Anthony
167 NC Thacker/Gene P
168 NC Larry Schell
169 NJ Charles Seymour
170 FL Thomas Rudder
171 CA Padayhag/Stan
172 MS Jerry Price
173 CA Joe Tiago Jr
174 TX Max Schetter
175 KY Lyon/Michael E
176 MI McTaggart/Robert E
177 OH Nininger/Paul W
178 NB Clarence C. Peters
179 IN Jonn Findley
180 AL Buddy L. McCoy
181 CA Doyle Fields
182 FA Ronald G. Diebold
183 NJ Hugh M. Hilden
184
185 PA Fritz A. Muller
186 FL Bob Collinsgru
187 PA Carl E. Blessing
188 PA Owen M. Curran
189 CA Walter C. Scherar
190 NY Philip F. Flynn
191 WA Jim Jacobs
192 FL Norman Roy Johnson
193 TX John Miller
194 MA David B. Jansen
195 NV Robert Archuleta
196 CA Carlyn Olsen ~20 Jumps with Carlyn Olsen at Lancaster,
Taft and Arvin DZ's.
197 CA Albert R. Barry
198 WA Ledbetter/William R
199 TX Malcom Thompson
200 NJ Thomas Murray
201 CA Forrest D Castle
202 CA Tyson/Jerome P
203 NB Jay O. Emery
204 CA Denny M. Manning
205 CA Roy A. Fryman
206 TN Dennis T Rhodes
207 NJ William W Bohringer
208 NC Charles L Mullins
209 TX Bobby Dean Crump
210 WI Falconer/Robert Davis
211 OH Raymond M. Starnes
212 NB Stanley Searles
213 CT Ed Vickery
214 NC Paul S Newman
215 NC James C. Lane
216 NJ Theodore O. Taylor
217 FL Gutshall/George A
218 OH Joseph J. Giel
219 FL Charles McSwain
220 FL Potts/Len
221 MI Kim Emmons
222 NB Lowell A Ham
223 NB John Timothy MacFerrin
224 MD Jimmy Grant Roberts
225 TN Bud Sellick
226 CA Enarson/Richard L
227 FL Anthony C Riek
228 FL De La Mar/Donald R
229 NC Zacher/George A
230 NY James E Garvey
231 CA Binford/Frank L
232 DC Richard L Myron
233 WA George F. Mitchell
234 CA Lance S. Haserot
235 NV Ridenour Jr/Whitley A
236 PA Joseph A. Nichols
237 KY Henry Nehrbass
238 NY Thomas E. Waldie
239 WA Buford W. Knight
240 CA Richard Pedley
241 MA Edward A Dorey
242 FL Gary J. Dupuis
243 ME Donahue/Robert L
244 NC Robert L. Donahoe
245 MA Ellsworth H. Getchell
246 NY Robert J. Cathey
247 TX George H. Sage
248 CA Young/Ronald Leo
249 IA John H. Talbott
250 CA McNamara/Brian Michael
251 TX Jeannie McComba ~ 20 jumps with Jeannie (the jump mistress) McComba. Jeannie went in at Ellsinore.
252 CA Leigh R. Hunt
253 CA Dennis P. Moneymaker
254 MD Robert W. Hollar
255 NC Dennis N. McCarthy
256 TX William E. Ritchie
257 VA Sutherland/Thomas Ray
258 CA Joseph Mangine
259 NC Clark/David L
260 CA Ludlow O. Clements
261 NV Floyd A. Martin
262 UT Currie A. Harlacker
263 FL Kauffman/Warren
264 FL Christian K. Ebersole
265 FL Coppe/John Eugene
266 CA Lewis T. Vinson
267 WA Drumheller/Ed/II ~ 30 jumps with Ed at Lancaster DZ's.
268 TX Robert H. Sholly
269 WA Peter A. Goodwin
270 NC Patrick G. Murphy
271 AZ Al J. Hoffman
272 MI Sinclair/Bob Camera man for some of the Rip Cord series. (5) jumps
with Sinclair at Califorina City and Lake Elsinor DZ's. Bob was a good camera-man but average at relative-work and did not participate in large relative work jumps.
273 NE Janousek/Marion L
274 MN Burg/Gerald L
275 FL Newton Neidig
276 NB John D. Wade
277 AL Sugg/Samuel E
278 CA James B. Cameron
279 NC Kevin F. Brady
280 AZ Jack Ely
281 MN Richard N. Christenson
282 GA Sims/Dave C
283 GA Edward A. Rector
284 NC Hal T. Baxter
285 IL Stephan J. Wilke
286 WI Herman W. Rockenbach
287 SC Mark T. Graham
288 IL Beverly/Elbert W
289 NC Louis Bell
290 NC Richard Derry
291 CA David Barlow, Jr.
292 FL Howard Curtis
293 NY Frank Richard
294 NC James Bailey
295 NC Jeffrey Dixon
296 PA Charles Murphy
297 NY Patrick Lawton
298 NY William Ottley
299 IL William Martin
300 CA Cornelius O'Rourke, Jr. Creamed in 1965
wearing a Santa Suit from [email protected]
301 CA Bill Williams
302 NC Jerry Babb
303 MI Karl Brushaber
304 WA Jens Jorgensen
305 MD Robert Buscher, Jr.
306 OK Gerald Roth
307 IA James De Lap
308 CA David Becker
309 NC Robert McDermott
310 AL Dannie Smith
311 CA Lane Smith
312 CA Ronald Wright
313 CA Michael Clancy
314 NY David Lanzendorf
315 KY Robert Eves
316 VA Ronald Anderson
317 CA Burl Baxter
318 KY Larry Caid
319 NY Alva English
320 NC Paul Mac Lean
321 NC William Duncan, Jr.
322 NC William Lockward, Jr.
323 NC Billy Nolan
324 CA John Harrison
325 CA Anne Batterson
326 AK James E. Pullis
327 CA Larry L. Perkins
328 NC Warren E. Farrell
329 IL Oldrich Olichovik Killed Plane crash, Hinckley 1992
330 LA R.L. Ticer
331 MA William T. Hamilton
332 CA Ralph E. Weekly
333 OH Joseph W. Cooper
334 NY Judy Simpson
335 CA Arthur W. Jarrell
336 CA Arthur E. Armstrong
337 CA Donald P. Woerner
338 CA George I. Nicks
339 NY James W. Shaw
340 NC Robert B. Ferguson
341 NC Tod Smith
342 RI Richard D. Yessian
343 OH Andrew N. Starkey
344 CA Jack C. Smith. Jack was the area safety officer at Lancaster
and creamed in circa 1966 while working with a freefall student. Had
about 30 jumps with Jack. The safety officer was not too safe.
345 CT Roy Bertalovitz
346 NJ Richard C. Lee
347 CA David F. Perry
348 GA David L. Pride
349 CA Bob Allen
350 KA Lloyd Y. Jan
351 TN Jack Norman Jr.
352 PA Harry M. Burlin
353 CA Donald E. Myers
354 IL Walter Huninsky
355 MA David L. Eisner
356 MI Robert E. Tighe
357 MO Jon L. Bergman
358 IL Robert C. Kellen
359 MI Paul E. Yarnell
360 CA Frank M. Collison
361 AK Johnny M. Davis
362 TX Arthur A. Nelbach Jr.
363 UT Jamy M. Minnock Jr.
364 OR James L. Wright
365 OR Evan N. Hale
366 IL Leon Somers
367 TX Dennis A. Clark
368 OR Morton O. Gossett
369 KY Sherman K. Hawkins
370 NY Robert J. Busch
371 WA Charles S. Wallin
372 IL Wernet K. Roth
373 KY Clarence E. Nugent
374 OH Richard L. Bates
375 FL Charles F. Clifford
376 WA Donald M. Stone
377 ND Peter Gange
378 WA Gerald E. Helms
379 NJ David Wignef
380 NY Rudolph P. Ahlgren
381 NC Richard Stanton
382 NC Harold W. Ferguson
383 CA Daryl R. Galloway
384 PA Ed Marler
385 PA John Higgins
386 CA Charles O. Choate
387 MA Arthur P. Spilios
388 IL Michael Ditzig
389 IL Richard N. Roberts
390 MI Billie M. Dolley
391 WA Rudy Peterson
392 NY L. Stanley Zielinski
393 FL John B. Chamberlin
394 OR Ralph A. Hatley
395 OR Joseph M. Brockway
396 WA Richard W. Carlisle
397 NJ David P. Lithgow
398 AL Thomas W. Pritchard, Jr.
399 WA Frank W. Vogt
400 WA William M. Berg


All Star Crest Awards

http://www.scr-awards.com/bbmsc_the_beginning.html

The was no Accelerated Freefall program, no AAD's, no Dytters, no altimeters and no packers. Your main canopy was a 28-foot round. Your reserve was a 24-foot flat circular canopy. All of which were purchased as "military surplus." And then, you had to convince some pilot that it was a good idea to take you up to five thousand feet, open the door, fling yourself out and learn...

Updates on D license holder from other Skydivers Gerald Bourquin - D-22 - lives in CA still active jumping.
Steve Snyder - D-5 - died in plane crash
Denny Gainor - D-138 - Still active at Perris
Richard Pedley - D-240 - died on a BASE jump in L.A.
Jeannie McCombs - D-251- went in at Ellsinore
Ed Vickery - D-213 - Retired from Irvin Aerospace, living in Big Bear, CA
Ronald Wright - D-312 - went in CA on demo.
Larry Perkins - D-327 - working in aviation, Ellsinore CA
Art Armstrong - D-336 - died in Ca

Up date from the Pacific Northwest to DrEco: Jerry Baumchen D-1543 (a newbie compared to this list)
John Scott - D-93 - John died about 10 yrs ago from a sudden, massive heart attack.
Jack Ady - D-103 - I was in the Snohomish area yesterday and decided to go to the airport for lunch and ran into Jack. He is retired, living right off of the airport and got married for the first time about 3 yrs ago; a real optimist.
Rich Johnston D-134 - Rich had a stroke just after the first of the year and is now slightly disabled. Hi lives near me and we used to get together every month or so for breakfast or lunch; I hate to visit now in his condition, but I do need to.
Jens Jorgeson - D-304 - I haven't seen Jens in over 20 yrs but a mutual friend saw him last summer and said that he is in good health.
Jim Wright - D-364 - Jim was killed on a jump about 15-18 yrs ago.
Evan Hale - D-365 - I last saw Evan at the memorial for Jim Wright; nothing since.
Ralph Hatley - D-394 - Ralph still runs a drop zone and is one of the biggest gear distributors in the world.
Joe Brockway - D-395 - Joe retired from the gov't about 15 yrs ago; I last talked to him about 10 yrs ago. I need to call him, also.
Dick Carlisle - D-396 - I understand he was killed in a plane crash many, many years ago.
Bill Berg - D-400 - Bill was killed flying a forest fire fighting aircraft when she came apart in mid-air.


Update from Bob Federman
To DrEco: Just in case anyone who knew them might be interested.
It was fun going through all of the names; I started jumping in early '64 and a few months later joined PCA & subscribed to Skydiver Magazine. A lot of those names were in those mags many times.
And I do remember your photos.
Jerry Baumchen
D-1543 (a newbie compared to this list)

D-60 CREAMED IN 1982,
D-300 CREAMED IN1965,WEARING A SANTA SUIT,
MY FIRST JUMP INSTR.,D-329 PLANE CRASH,HINCKLEY 1992
bob federman FEDO C-2403,SCR-155


How can I contact this Mr Eco - regarding Claudia Webber. Urgent. This was an AKA used by my deceased spouse - can anyone provide a picture of this Claudia Webber? Does anyone or did anyone know this man?




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Re: [skyjack71] Skydiving History - by Dr. Eco [In reply to] Quote | Reply
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Folks, I need your help. I need to find out about skyjumpers in Georgia and S.C. and AL in 1968-1971. My handle tells the story - I am a 66 yrr old widow of a man who claimed he was D.B.Cooper or as he put it Dan Cooper. I have no knowledge of skyjumping, but when we were in Colorado we went into the mountains and there were jumpers jumping off of the cliffs - I don't remember what it was called, but that is not important. What is important is that he told me everything that they were doing and why they were doing it - this was in 1978 or 1979 and he was over a 50 yrs of age at that time.
It was not until his deathbed confession that I understood why he knew all of this. Now after 12 yrs of research I hope I have found the place that can help me. I am not sure where he learned to skydive, but he did - he kept something called a D-ring which was bought off of me at a garage sale after he died and the man paid me a quarter for it and told me what it was...I didn't know the significance of the item because I did not understand what he was trying to tell me in 1996 when he die nor did I know who Dan Cooper was.

The purpose of this post is HOW DO I FIND RECORDS OF JUMPERS FROM THAT TIME FRAME IN THOSE AREAS AND/OR PHOTOS OF JUMPERS FROM 1968 TO 1971? Can anyone help me? The FBI has not been of any help at all although they did take his DNA almost 4 yrs (MARCH OF 2003) ago after I had gone public, just to keep me quiet.

My old puter crashed and I am having the photos pulled off next wk. I would like to circulate the photos of him from various times in his life to skyjumpers to see if anyone can recognize this man.

My research of 10 feet deep is detailed and does everything except put him in a parachute. This is the one thing that will end this. This man I was married to for 17 yrs had been in 6 federal prisons in 7 states for a total of almost 17 yrs before I met and married him. I did not know of his criminal past and we had a good marriage.

ANYONE WHO CAN HELP PLEASE CONTACT ME.


How can I contact this Mr Eco - regarding Claudia Webber. Urgent. This was an AKA used by my deceased spouse - can anyone provide a picture of this Claudia Webber? Does anyone or did anyone know this man?


Hopefull this stand alone will clear up the clutter and maybe help.

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I do believe Jo when she says that as Duane was dieing, he confessed to being Dan Cooper, but I think it was likely just one of his many lies.

It is sad that this possibility is not seriously considered by Jo after all these years of dead ends in trying to put Duane in a chute.

Instead of doubting that Duane was really Cooper based on EVERYONE's (hers, ours, FBI's) inability to find supportive evidence, Jo flips it and says that the FBI's failure to prove that Duane was not Cooper is itself evidence pointing towards Duane being Cooper. Go figure. With that logic Jo will toil forever.

Still, I welcome her posts and admire her gumption, but not her logic.

377
2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

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.in certain circumstances the static line is not feasible...weather conditions and terrain.



Jo,

Do you have info that smoke jumpers made free fall ripcord pull jumps in the 1940s or at any time? That is something I did not know. I though all their jumps were S/L.

377



oh come on, it is a load of bollocks that "conditions" make free fall more suitable than static line. Seriously I get pissed as ignorance dressed in arrogance - not directed at you 377. This is the kind of media based misrepresentation of facts, where student jumpers (static line) are not allowed to jump, but experienced jumpers are (free fall) therefore 2+2 = 10 and static line can't be used in certain conditions.



Yeah Nigel99, it made no sense to me, but I thought Jo might have been quoting from some smoke jumper history site and I wanted to see the source.

377
2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

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:)He was taking NO medication for the hereditary kidney problem other than in 1976 blood pressure medication. There was no funny walk or cane.
It was later in life and the results of diaylsis which started in 1990 which depletes the calcium and creates severe osteoporsis.

:SEveryone as they age developes problems - we are talking 1971 NOT 1987 when the disease took a stage advance in progression. Please try to allow me to make intelligent contributory posts based on research without continually bashing my cause or reasons.


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Re: [MakeItHappen] D B Cooper Unsolved Skyjacking [In reply to]

Quote "I don't follow the part where he has a short life expectancy in 1971, yet lives to 1995?
Did he really have kidney disease?
Did dialysis work better than you say?
Did he get a transplant?"

Dear Make It Happen:

In 1971 we knew little about kidney disease - the machines also were inadequate. They told him he might have 5 good yrs.

In 1971 they had just started the reseach into the different kinds of kidney disease. Duane's disease was later classified as Polysistic Kidney Disease - a disease that will moves forward in stages depending on how you live your life. In 1977 when I met him he was still looking good, but he had an extend abdomen due to the over-load on the kidney that was functioning.

He started to take better care of himself and I made sure he had a proper diet for this disease. Medications had been developed that help extend his inevitable ending. He also stopped drinking - and I think that was the most important thing that happened.

I would like to think he changed for me - he walked away from a life of crime because he knew how I had been raised and what my standards were. If I had known during his life time that he had committed this crime, I would have been bound by my own code of ethics to turn him in. He knew me like a book.

He once told me that he had never know a family like mine - Golden Wedding Anniversarys, Christmas Gatherings, Family Reunions. Obviously this is something he had wanted all of his life. I know I was captivated by him and I believe he would have given his life for me.

In 1990 the disease had progressed to the point that dialysis was a must. He fought a long and hard battle and in 1995 he decided to cease diaylsis. When he did this death was eminent within a few days. The diaylsis had depleted his body to skin and bones ( very fragil bones).

During that last yr. he suffered a fractured leg in Feb of 1994, a fractured shoulder and ribs in August and then he took the fall that defeated him - in Jan of 1995. This fall broke his left arm and several fingers (he was left handed)....I lost my job only 3 or 4 wks before he went into the hospital and I was our sole support. He had a small SS check, but i was the main bread winner those last yrs.

This shell of the man I once knew decided the day I took him to the hospital that last time that he wanted to stop diaylsis and that he would die. He turned around as we left the house and said "By House"...I tried to tell him everything would be ok.

After serveral days in the hospital he kept refusing diaylsis - he asked me if I would be all right with this.
He had made his decision to cease diaylsis before we left the house.

"He made this decision as fearlessly as he had made another decision on that night in 1971 - he was never one to back down." Only then did he tell he his secret."

Copyright©2008 by Jo Weber

(This post was edited by skyjack71 on Nov 27, 2006, 12:37 AM)


I will post more as time allows.

(Thanks for the help GURU)

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I do believe Jo when she says that as Duane was dieing, he confessed to being Dan Cooper, but I think it was likely just one of his many lies.

It is sad that this possibility is not seriously considered by Jo after all these years of dead ends in trying to put Duane in a chute.

Instead of doubting that Duane was really Cooper based on EVERYONE's (hers, ours, FBI's) inability to find supportive evidence, Jo flips it and says that the FBI's failure to prove that Duane was not Cooper is itself evidence pointing towards Duane being Cooper. Go figure. With that logic Jo will toil forever.

Still, I welcome her posts and admire her gumption, but not her logic.

377




Jo faults the FBI for its dna evidence then turns
around and says:

"They retrived DNA from me in March of 2003, but I have not heard anything and they never returned the item. I was not foolish enough to give them all that I had. " (Nov 14 2006)

It is 100% obvious through all of Jo Weber's posts she has been playing games with everyone since the very start of this thread ... claiming things she does not have, then witholding things she says but turns out she
doesnt have .... even screwing around with the FBI, by
her own words!

That is NOT the sign of somebody anxious to find the truth and know the truth, but somebody manufacturing
truth (alleged), and screwing with everyone in the process including YOU!

And she damns the FBI telling everyone they werent serious? Jo has been feeding a frenzy in her Jerry
Springer style.

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