377 20 #44151 November 4, 2013 Quoteare you looking for transfer of Titanium from Cooper's hands, or clothing? The transfer theory is Norman's rigs get carried though his machine shop and the surfaces get various metal shavings and particles attached. The rigs are later put on the Norjack 727. Cooper in examining the rigs gets some of the metal debris on his tie. It's a long shot but worth investigating. If Norman's shop is the source of the Ti (pure, not alloyed) and Al that Tom found on the tie, it's worth knowing to avoid wasting time chasing down other sources. 3772018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mrshutter45 21 #44152 November 5, 2013 377Quoteare you looking for transfer of Titanium from Cooper's hands, or clothing? The transfer theory is Norman's rigs get carried though his machine shop and the surfaces get various metal shavings and particles attached. The rigs are later put on the Norjack 727. Cooper in examining the rigs gets some of the metal debris on his tie. It's a long shot but worth investigating. If Norman's shop is the source of the Ti (pure, not alloyed) and Al that Tom found on the tie, it's worth knowing to avoid wasting time chasing down other sources. 377 I thought pure tie was not found in the average shop in 1970,71. isn't this a different beast when talking about pure titanium? IMO everything is worth checking. the other bad news is, where did the tie originate from. was it really Cooper's, or did he buy it prior to the crime. the tie had been used with a tie tack at one point, and not a clip."It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Robert99 37 #44153 November 5, 2013 Just when you thought the SR-71 was the final word on air-breathing high-speed aircraft, Lockheed and others have announced that the newly proposed SR-72 will fly twice as fast as the SR-71 (this also means that it will be flying a lot higher because of the aerodynamic heating situation) and without bankrupting the country. Apparently, those donut-on-a-rope contrails that have been spotted from time to time, mainly in the USA west and southwest, since the early 1980s have produced enough data to move hybrid engines (Pulse-Detonation-Engines?) into the operational arena. Aviation Week covers the story in its current issue (maybe I'll get mine tomorrow) and has published some believable pictures of the unique contrails in its reader's letters columns on a couple of occasions. Of course, there were plenty of wild-eyed speculations long before those photographs were obtained from readers. Robert99 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
377 20 #44154 November 5, 2013 From a lively web debate about donuts on a rope contrails:http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread215014/pg1 Quote Donut on a rope contrails , the physics precludes Aurora ? The “ donut on a rope “ contrail is commonly touted as evidence of AURORA or other claimed hypersonic craft , employing radical new engine technologies But to create the “donuts “ at the separation seen in the pictures of the contrails claimed to be of AURORA , The craft would have to have a velocity and engine exhaust pattern totally incompatible with the AURORA`s claimed characteristics PDE engines of a type that would be suitable for an AURORA craft will reportedly operate @ “ 1000s of pulses / second “ according to wikipedia Even at a “ conventional “ 250 pulse / sec an engine would , at MACH 5 leave < 10M between each pulse . For a “ true “ PDE it gets far worse . Another side effect, not yet demonstrated in practical use, is the cycle time. A traditional pulsejet tops out at about 250 pulses per second, but the aim of the PDE is thousands of pulses per second, so fast that it is basically continual from an engineering perspective. This should help smooth out the otherwise highly vibrational pulsejet engine -- many small pulses will create less volume than a smaller number of larger ones for the same net thrust. Unfortunately, detonations are many times louder than deflagrations Even selecting a “ low “ number of 1500 pulses / second , The “ aurora craft “ @ mach 5 would have a separation of just 1.1m between pulses , @ M10 , just 2.2m . even @ mach 20 it would still “ only “ be 4.4m viewed from the ground – it would be impossible to distinguish each pulse . To an observer the exhaust would be un interrupted , As incidentally would the sound signature – 1500 individual detonations / second would be perceived as a single continuous roar . Even the report from a minigun such as the US M134 , firing @ 6000 RPM , only 100 shots / second is a single ripp , individual shots cannot be identified So whatever “ donut on a rope “ contrails really are – its highly unlikely that they are the signature of a hypersonic craft , using a revolutionary PDE or similar experimental engine . APE OUT 3772018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
377 20 #44155 November 5, 2013 Bruce wroteQuoteThis suggests to me that Jo is more than just the widow of a DB Cooper suspect, and in fact may be an agent for the government in trying to spin the Cooper story by having Duane be perceived as the skyjacker. I give to give very little credence to govt. Norjack coverup conspiracy theories. Further, Duane Weber would be a very poor choice for such a conspiracy. His arrests show not one crime that involved advance planning or innovative thinking. They were simple opportuntistic crimes for small stakes and were executed poorly. Also, to his credit, Duane never threatened violence. He used good looks, charm and distraction to great advantage in crime and also in love as evidenced by his successful courtship of a smart good looking blonde who we all know well. The govt doesnt need a fake Cooper because nobody has even come close to proving who the real one is. Duane Weber and Jo's dogged advocacy of his DBC identity serve no useful purpose under those circumstances. 3772018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skyjack71 0 #44156 November 5, 2013 *** Jo, it’s a new week, so let’s recap where we are. 1. A high-level government official contacted you via email using the moniker “Robbie Clampett.” He gave you Tina’s phone number and home address around 2004. 2. You, in turn, called him, and even though he never confirmed that he was Robbie Clampett, he knew who you were, which generally confirmed in your mind that you were speaking to the guy who gave you Tina’s contact information. 3. The high-level guy later died, and you then spoke with his brother, who also did not confirm the high-level official as Robbie Clampett, but the brother knew who you were so their identities were assured in your view. JO REPLIES - IN MY VIEW -RIGHT. Now, we have some new questions for you in a new week: 1. How did you know how to contact the high-level government official? If he didn’t confirm his identity as Robbie Clampett, then I presume you didn’t just reply to his Robbie Clampett email. JO REPLIES - THAT IS CORRECT! I knew who it was because of something Duane Weber told me - unrelated to Cooper. 2. Hence, you know the name of the high-level official and how to contact him. JO REPLIES -Yes, I did - he is deceased now. 3. The same goes for the brother. Who are these guys? Jo Replies - NONE OF YOUR CRAPPY BEE'S WAX BUSINESS! 4. Why did a high-level official who knew Tina’s contact information give it to you, the widow of a Norjak suspect? That seems very risky behavior for an investigator, perhaps even illegal. JO REPLIES: YOU ARE JUST FULL OF QUESTIONS AREN'T YOU - ALL GET IS ZERO...CLASSIFIED & CONFIDENTIAL. Continuing, I understand that Tina has emailed you and called you on the phone. JO REPLIES - THAT IS A BUNCH OF CRAP...[RED]TINA NEVER EMAILED ME - SHE RETURNED ONE PH CALL OUT OF THE KINDESS [/RED] OF HER HEART - A HEART YOU KNOW NOTHING ABOUT. ...she is a very kind person. Lee Dormuth says that you had a lengthy phone conversation with his wife, Jane Mucklow Dormuth, the evening before I chatted with him in Shelton. YOU CREEP!- SHE WAS ON THE PHONE WITH ME WHEN YOU WERE AT THE DOOR! It was not a lengthy ph conversation. Hence, why are the primary witnesses to the DB Cooper skyjacking and her sister engaging the widow of the guy who threatened to blow up Flight 305? If Tina is in a fragile mental or physical state, wouldn’t such contact be ill-advised? Jo replies: Tina is a strong person and she nor her sister ENGAGED me - as you so crudely put it...I CONTACTED the Sister and brother-in-law to warn them about you! Further, why, in your estimation is such contact less intrusive or less problematic for Tina than my calling her and asking what happened? [RED]JO REPLIES - MAYBE YOU SHOULD TAKE A BATH ONCE IN AWHILE AND WASH YOUR CLOTHES! Also I would never shown up on someone's door the way you did![/RED] Lastly, lastly, have you called Lee Dormuth yet to confirm that he thinks you’re the widow of DB Cooper? Jo Replies - WHY would I contact him because of what you claimed? We all know how you exaggerate everything you say and turn it to suit your own deviated mind.Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skyjack71 0 #44157 November 5, 2013 I did not repeat your post - U are a VERY twisted being.Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MarkBennett 5 #44158 November 5, 2013 377Jo is really bringing out the big guns and aiming them at you Bruce, but worry not, it's all bark. The only bite she ever delivered sidelined Ckret, which was a real shame. Is there a story you can tell about why Ckret was sidelined? I never could learn what happened there. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
377 20 #44159 November 5, 2013 Jo complained about Ckret to his employer, the FBI. She had some beef with him about disclosing info about Duane's criminal record on a public forum. Ckret permanently departed the forum shortly thereafter. Jo claims she did not run him off the forum. We had a direct link to the FBI through an agent who was very interested in the case. It's gone forever. I think that is a real shame. Ckret was a Seattle based bank robbery specialist but I think he got promoted up to something bigger in DC. I bet Ckret still reads the forum now and then. 3772018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skyjack71 0 #44160 November 5, 2013 After I BEGGED the FBI for yrs about Duane's records - this FBI agent put them on the thread, but NEVER provided the last record which I tried every angle I could to get IT WAS NOT until this yr 2013 that one of the posters obtained the Jefferson file and the intake photo. A photo that should have been made available to me - 16 yrs ago. The agent was NOT operating within the guidlines - what I mentioned about is not the ONLY reason he was out of here. I also sent other photos to the FBI that should have been ID'ed yrs ago. Things that others have been able to trace regarding Duane Weber's background.....and they were NOT FBI. Go back and read the few months he was here - it should be self explanatory.Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
377 20 #44161 November 5, 2013 Jo, this is a skydiver's forum. Skydivers, at least the ones I've know during my 45 years in the sport, don't call up someone's employer to complain if they are pissed off at that person. What you did was not OK in my book. Despite what you say, I think your complaint to FBI brass was directly responsible for Ckret's departure. What Ckret did was to post information about a convicted criminal's record. He violated no laws. As far as "guidelines", show me what FBI guideline Ckret violated. You acted as a self-appointed internal affairs officer. If your goal was getting him removed form the Citizen Sleuth project you achieved it. 3772018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skyjack71 0 #44162 November 5, 2013 377Jo, this is a skydiver's forum. Skydivers, at least the ones I've know during my 45 years in the sport, don't call up someone's employer to complain if they are pissed off at that person. What you did was not OK in my book. Despite what you say, I think your complaint to FBI brass was directly responsible for Ckret's departure. What Ckret did was to post information about a convicted criminal's record. He violated no laws. As far as "guidelines", show me what FBI guideline Ckret violated. You acted as a self-appointed internal affairs officer. If your goal was getting him removed form the Citizen Sleuth project you achieved it. 377 There was MORE than just me - NO one does what the FBI did without reason. Maybe his participation was not sanctioned by the FBI. Maybe he stepped over the line along the way. Maybe it had to do with his making Claims the FBI could not sanction. Maybe it was his handling of the Amboy Chute. There are LOTS of reason besides ONE complaint...from a woman the FBI did not acknowledge to any degree or engage. Maybe I introduced something while he was posting that raised the eyebrows of 'other ' individuals. Maybe he was over the top. NONE of you know if one simple complaint about what was stated on an FBI site was the reason...ckret departed. Maybe it had to do with Galen. Maybe it had to do with information being made available the FBI was NOT expecting or ready for. There are lots of reason he was removed from the case and you think I WAS the ONLY REASON. I was not told that by the FBI - maybe it came from other sources.Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BruceSmith 3 #44163 November 5, 2013 Quote"...4. Why did a high-level official who knew Tina’s contact information give it to you, the widow of a Norjak suspect? That seems very risky behavior for an investigator, perhaps even illegal. JO REPLIES: YOU ARE JUST FULL OF QUESTIONS AREN'T YOU - ALL GET IS ZERO...CLASSIFIED & CONFIDENTIAL..."****************************************** [b]So, Jo, I gather from what you say that you engaged in a classified and confidential communication with a high-level government official who gave you Tina's home address and phone number. Is that correct? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skyjack71 0 #44164 November 5, 2013 377Jo is really bringing out the big guns and aiming them at you Bruce, but worry not, it's all bark. The only bite she ever delivered sidelined Ckret, which was a real shame. One simle woman did NOT sideline or cause an agent to loose his position, you can bet on that! If you think the last 17 yrs was just a dog barking - you got a BIG surprise coming. I have NO idea where the FBI stands, but lots of things have been going on in WA recently so I have been told. JT claimed people were poking around in Washougal and Puyallup! So who is poking around in the area? Rumor or just the fact the anniversary is coming up. Maybe a treasure hunt is coming down - who knows. Everyone knows the case is being closed. QuoteI'm no mental health expert, but might Tina become less stressed if Cooper were identified and apprehended or confirmed deceased? I can see why she might worry if she is a key eyewitness to serious felony and the perpetrator is still at at large. Maybe she does cooperate with the FBI and just shuns civilian sleuths. She is a mystery, that's for sure. If her 42 yrs have been anything near the 17 yrs I have been doing this she must be a SAINT! So many rumors running around out in WA it is unbelievable. Maybe someone found some old photos of the woman who worked at Ma Bell in Vancouver - maybe Duane Weber was in some of those old photos! Maybe it is time some things were told. REMEMBER, the FBI denied Weber was even at McNeil, but documents proved other wise. DOES that not stir up a little curiosity? Maybe pictures of Weber were found in old documents regarding the work camps and maybe someone found a connection to Gilliam thur family connections of his wife. Maybe it was found the WEBERS had a strong connection to WA and to others. Maybe they found out Weber was in WA and had connections that made him a valid candidate...maybe someone identified Weber from the Jefferson file. Maybe the artist was finally heard in regards to the descriptions the witnesses provide to him. He knew the witnesses better than the FBI did and spent a lot of time with them. NO ONE knows what is going on in WA - The rumors are all over the place, but not in the news. Georger has even gone silent after the pout thing. Hee Haw! I could never download the files you guys were reading. I don't have to. Take this back to when Sheridan and a couple of the jumpers contacted the FBI. They thought they had met the man in the composite! A group of business men from the S.E. USA had been to WA. This group had a contest where either the looser or the winner had to jump out of a plane. Sheridan and his guys provide them with the skills and the thrill. In 1971 a Car was left at the PDX parked in the warehouse/office area. It was supposedly checked out and belonged to a business in the S.E. No other information was ever made available about this to the public. I tried during the 1st 4 yrs of my investigation to find out the name of the company. Was the company or the connections to the company a business Weber was known to have an association with? Was the Company out of Texas, Georgia, Florida, Kansas. Loisianna or Nebraska? WHY did the FBI and media not make public the identification of the business the rental car was associated to? Was it connected indirectly to the same S.E. Company. who use Sheridan's place for a jump event about a yr or 2 before 1971? When was the event? Why did Duane say he knew the Bubblerator? Why did Sheridan think a man matching the description of Cooper had been there with that group? There were 2 other jumpers in Wa present at that event other than Sheridan. Too many unaswered questions & parts of the investigation swept under the table and not made public. Maybe Jack was one of the jumpers with Sheridan - and maybe Jack was the one who was afraid he would be accused of the crime if he came forward saying he knew who the man was - maybe Jack didn't realize he had met the man until 2001 when the picture of Weber were published in the Oregonian? When will we get the answers? Will the FBI and the government allow this case to go unsolved forever?Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skyjack71 0 #44165 November 5, 2013 Bruce Smith made an obtuse post asking "Why did a high-level official who knew Tina’s contact information give it to you, the widow of a Norjak suspect? That seems very risky behavior for an investigator, perhaps even illegal." Bruce goes on to say "So, Jo, I gather from what you say that you engaged in a classified and confidential communication with a high-level government official who gave you Tina's home address and phone number." JO REPEATS: READ MY LIPS YOU CREEP! I DID NOT SAY ROBBIECLAMPETT WAS EVER IDENTIFED! I CONTACTED AN INDIVIDUAL HIGH UP ON THE CHAIN AFTER my emails from RobbieClampett. A MAN DUANE CLAIMED TO HAVE KNOWN. He did not deny nor admit to he knew Collins/Weber. Stated many would never be acknowledged and he was working on it. He KNEW who I WAS! Upon hearing of his death I contacted his bother and told him about my mysterious benefactor and my conversation with his brother. He told me that sounded like something his brother might have done. I NEVER confirmed the identity of RobblieClampett...and maybe he was a woman! Maybe he was FBI, CIA, or just a prankster. I never learned who RobbieClampett was, but it was someone w/knowledge of Tina Mucklow's location & phone number. It was someone who wanted to provide me with the information I was seeking. OKAY CREEP that is ALL you get! Clampett might have been a man and he might have been a woman and he might have worked for the government in some capacity. I was never able to verifiy who Clampett was!Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BruceSmith 3 #44166 November 5, 2013 Quote"...I CONTACTED AN INDIVIDUAL HIGH UP ON THE CHAIN AFTER my emails from RobbieClampett. A MAN DUANE CLAIMED TO HAVE KNOWN. He did not deny nor admit to he knew Collins/Weber. Stated many would never be acknowledged and he was working on it. He KNEW who I WAS!.... "...I NEVER confirmed the identity of RobblieClampett...and maybe he was a woman! Maybe he was FBI, CIA, or just a prankster. I never learned who RobbieClampett was, but it was someone w/knowledge of Tina Mucklow's location & phone number. It was someone who wanted to provide me with the information I was seeking. OKAY CREEP that is ALL you get! Clampett might have been a man and he might have been a woman and he might have worked for the government in some capacity. I was never able to verifiy who Clampett was!Reply: Yet, you were able to contact the Robbie Clampett person, correct? You say you never knew his identity, but you knew that Duane knew him, and thus you knew him similarly to some degree. You got Robbie Clampett's phone number from Duane? Yes? But how did you get the brother's phone number. Presumably you know his name. Please give us some clarity. A few days ago you said Robbie Clampett was a high-level government official. Tonight you're saying that you're not sure he - or she - worked for the government. You sound like you're fudging your story here. Sounds like a spin to me. Others might call it lyin'. Either way, you're in a pickle. If Robbie Clampett was a high-level government official, why are you back-tracking now? If he wasn't a high-level goverment worker, how did he get Tina's home address and phone number, and why did he give it to you? Also, how did you get Tina's sister's phone number? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BruceSmith 3 #44167 November 5, 2013 Quote"...One of the luckiest things that happened to me last month was when you said 'no thanks' to my proposal we work together with the NPR guys. Holy crap, that was close...." Reply Then, it appears we are both blessed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
377 20 #44168 November 5, 2013 Jo wrote QuoteIf you think the last 17 yrs was just a dog barking - you got a BIG surprise coming Big surprise coming huh? It would be a Big surprise if you delivered on even one of your teases. 3772018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BruceSmith 3 #44169 November 5, 2013 Quote"...As far as Jo, why don't you just pick on ME instead? I can handle it. I get it all the time..."Reply, I'd love to address your nasty behavior, Robert, but Jo is a full-time job. I'm sure you understand. By the way, aren't you curious to know who gave her Tina's home address and phone number, and why? If you are curious, then why don't you ask her. She has so much trouble answering my questions directly. Perhaps she might be more comfortable with you. Or, if you're not curious to learn more about this Robbie Clampett fellow, then why not? He is a purported high-level government official giving confidential information to the family members of guys who threaten to kill dozens of people at 30K feet by blowing them up. I'd sure love to know more about a worker for Uncle Sam who does that. Afterall, we pay his salary. What say you? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BruceSmith 3 #44170 November 5, 2013 Quote"... whomever you interview is FAIR GAME..."Reply: They are. Why do you have such a problem with that? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BruceSmith 3 #44171 November 5, 2013 Quote"...JO REPLIES - MAYBE YOU SHOULD TAKE A BATH ONCE IN AWHILE AND WASH YOUR CLOTHES! Also I would never shown up on someone's door the way you did!..."Reply: How often do you suggest that I should bathe? Thanks. BTW: How often do you bathe? Just asking. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Robert99 37 #44172 November 5, 2013 RobertMBlevins [Addressing Bruce Smith] Not that it matters, but I like your book. I like some of the Cooper articles you've done. Interview methods? Um...you're just burning bridges behind you on that. You gotta get a handle on it and become more trustworthy, treat people fairly, not run them into the ground or deceive them in order to get interviews or if they don't give you the answers you think you have coming. Blevins, Just exactly what is it in your background that you feel qualifies you to give lectures to Bruce Smith on ANYTHING? Are you still stalking Margie? Robert99 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skyjack71 0 #44173 November 5, 2013 377What Ckret did was to post information about a convicted criminal's record. He violated no laws. As far as "guidelines", show me what FBI guideline Ckret violated. You acted as a self-appointed internal affairs officer. If your goal was getting him removed form the Citizen Sleuth project you achieved it. 377 If my complaint was about the Cooper Comic being used on the FBI site and a call to the call center (you talk to a recorder not a person) about Carr publically denouncing a subject in a forum -Ckret was NOT showing all the evidence and was withholding files on a suspect. One would have thought he would have posted the Jefferson file with all the OTHERS - well, TRUTH is he probably didn't have it! WE do not even know if his being on the thread was sanctioned by the FBI. Ever think that might have been the problem? My complaint was about the Comic and disclosing of files I had NOT been given access even after repeated requests. The FBI and the agent ignored the MOST IMPORTANT file I had requested (Jefferson) which I never recieved until Shutter found it here in 2013 -NEVER SEEN BY ANYONE! Carr had been gone - HOW LONG? 7 yrs and NOT one time did he or the FBI make the Jefferson materials available. I had been unrelenting wanting those file. NO one and definitely NOT the FBI ever revealed Webers history and photos. If the public was denied the Jefferson file....the bigger question arises. DID the FBI show the Jefferson file - before and afters' to the witnesses? An even bigger question - how do you dismiss a suspect on prints (what the letter states) if the FBI didn't have prints. They asked for DNA - yrs later. How can you dismiss a person with incomplete files and then go to a public forum dismissing him...and NOT provide information the relatives and or friends and wives had requested & disputed. How can the FBI dismiss someone whose location and occupation didn't exist on paper ( at least in the normal way everyone else did.) The missing yrs should have been suspect! Carr DROPPED the BALL or his being here was a deterrent - but, it back fired and JO was not responsible for that! In Real Estate it is called DISCLOSURE. Those missing yrs should have triggered a more more detailed search....but, the FBI just DROPPED Weber....why! Perhaps order from some one above the FBI. Perhaps they didCopyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
georger 197 #44174 November 5, 2013 skyjack71 ***What Ckret did was to post information about a convicted criminal's record. He violated no laws. As far as "guidelines", show me what FBI guideline Ckret violated. You acted as a self-appointed internal affairs officer. If your goal was getting him removed form the Citizen Sleuth project you achieved it. 377 If my complaint about the Cooper Comic being used on the FBI site and a call to the call center (you talk to a recorder not a person) about his publically denouncing a subject in a forum -Ckret was NOT showing all the evidence and was withholding files on a suspect. One would have thought he would have posted the Jefferson file after that - well, TRUTH is he probably didn't have it! WE do not even know if his being on the thread was sanctioned by the FBI. Ever think that might have been the problem. My complaint was about the Comic and disclosing of files I had NOT been given access to but, the FBI and the agent ignoring the MOST IMPORTANT file I had requested (Jefferson) which I never recieved unit Shutter found it here in 2013 Carr had been gone - HOW LONG? 7 yrs and NOT one time did he or the FBI make the Jefferson materials available. I had been unrelenting wanting those file - BUT FBI NO TALKIE! If the public was denied the Jefferson file....the bigger question arises. DID the FBI show the Jefferson file - before and afters' to the witnesses? WELL, evidentally NOT! And of course everything you say may be total bullshit! It wouldn't be the first time - Carr's mistake, in my opinion, was having anything to do with you ... trying to do you a favor and it backfired bigtime ... he should have taken a 100% professional stance with you and simply referred you to others. Because, it is obvious to me, you were going to attack him in any event! You were just looking for the opportunity, imho. Carr was simply a convenient target for your intimidation you enjoy conducting. Nobody owes you anything. That included the FBI and Ckret! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
377 20 #44175 November 5, 2013 Jo wroteQuoteMy complaint was about the Comic and disclosing of files I had NOT been given access to but, the FBI and the agent ignoring the MOST IMPORTANT file I had requested (Jefferson) which I never recieved unit Shutter found it here in 2013 Carr had been gone - HOW LONG? 7 yrs and NOT one time did he or the FBI make the Jefferson materials available. I had been unrelenting wanting those file - BUT FBI NO TALKIE! Jo, The FBI is not your errand boy. They aren't obligated to produce files that you could get yourself. If Shutter found the Jefferson files you could have too. You look at every FBI mistake as proof of a conspiracy to cover up Duane's involvement in Norjack. I take a simpler view, that they are just mistakes. In my years as a criminal defense lawyer I saw lots of mistakes made by law enforcement officers at all levels from beat cops to FBI SAs. It happens. It isn't proof of a conspiracy. I believe that the FBI wants to solve this case. Understandably, they arent going to commit any serious resources to it at this late date, but if they find or are presented with solid evidence as to the identity of DBC I think they would try to close the case. They'd love to say they batted 1000 on solving skyjackings. As long as DBC remains unidentified, they cannot make that claim. 3772018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
