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Nov 23, 2006 the following post was made by NickDG (D 8904). He was responding to a post made by Airtwardo.

Nick stated:

"I've been following Jo's story since last year when it was first publicized and can only imagine what she's going through . . .

I started jumping a few years after the incident occurred, but even in 1975, few nights around the bonfire passed without some mention of who DB Cooper really was. The central point of discussion, at the time, was if DB Cooper was an experienced jumper or not?

It would seem pretty crazy (to us jumpers) to plan the whole thing and leave the "getaway" to such chance without some prior experience. But then again we know people who don't jump think what's the big deal? You jump, you pull the thing, and you land.

But, there are several things that don’t make sense – and I could be wrong – but I always figured an experienced jumper would have carried a personal rig onboard, rather than request the two (or three) parachutes, like he did along with the ransom money. The point of asking for more than one parachute made sense, as there would be the chance he forced one or more of the remaining crew members to jump also, and this would preclude sabotaging the rigs in any way.

There was also enough time between the takeoff, with the money and rigs, and the jump, that he could have opened a rig and did a quick I&R before jumping.

Everyone at the time had their personal theory on who DB Cooper was. My guess was a certain local gear manufacturer in Lake Elsinore who was the right age and looked a bit like the description and the sketch . . .

Another idea floated was there was no DB Cooper at all. The whole thing was a story offered up by the flight deck and cabin crew who threw the empty rigs out the back and kept the money for themselves. This is somewhat plausible as, I believe, not one of the released passengers said they ever saw the guy.

On the other side, the practical side, we see that even today, local authorities - all the way up to the FBI – don’t know butkus about parachutes and jumping. So we don't really know how much information that exists is even credible. They probably weren't even asking the right questions.

As for the small amount of the money found, yep, I would have scattered some of it too. DB Cooper probably figured the authorities would first conclude such a jump was impossible and this played into that theory.

However, the WX was so bad in the area of the jump; an experienced jumper would have probably avoided that and picked another flight.

In any case, Jo deserves to know if the man she lived a life with was something other than what she thought he was . . .

NickD
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I thought maybe some of you who are new to the DZ might need to be reminded that I came to the DZ 12 yrs ago....Hard to believe it has been that long.

The above is how we were thinking in 1996. It was a rough start and the thread crashed. The current thread was started and it has evolved. I felt others needed to be reminded why I came to the DZ before they start bashing my story....it has been a long long road & now the conversations has evolved...

Writers & authors promoting their Cooper books & others writing their Cooper books. So much has happened over these 12 yrs I have been at the DZ, I felt a re-cap was needed..

:)instead we were forced to become a promotional tool for writers:(.

I was very upfront early on letting the DZ & others know I had a movie offer and offers to do books - I had walked. I came to the DZ to learn more about the subject and the DZ has given me 12 yrs which is very appreciatated. The only bad parts have been the consistent repetions and the marketing of one writers book.

There are a few of these old post I do want to refresh on the thread - as Jo's story did NOT change - it is right here on the DZ. Yes, I didn't know how to express myself & I would get caught up in the exchanges - never thought it would come to this - nor did Quade or Nick or Guru.

THERE is ONE thing I would like to see go POOF from the thread....posters who perpetually sell their story & their books on the DZ. This was to be a discovery process - not a stage to sell your wares/books/movie. Those who are quilty of this know who they are....but, I want you to REMEMBER how and why you even have this source to come to. This thread is NO a thread use to BASH others or to attack their stories.

The truths about Cooper are buried in the stories and day of old. More older jumpers need to spend some time her or you younger one who have Cooper stories you heard from you dad or you grand-dad.

As was intended older posters came with REAL information -one with a name which need to be revisisted by everyone who posts on the thread. To respect the cause and to go back and read what some of the elder jumpers talked about - that is where the truths like - in the past not in a book about one specific man the writer never met....I have watched greed and hunger grow with these posters.

They want to be heard but first establish the facts and listen to the stories of the day - they are trying to tell you who Cooper was or could have been, but without doing the REAL home work.
Blevins PLEASE DO NOT COME IN WITH A LONG TRIAGE OF THINGS ABOUT YOUR BOOK....FIND YOU INFORMERS AND HAVE THEM COME HERE TO REPRESENT THEMSELVES. No One want to read one mor word OF your complaints that they will not respond - YOU wrote the BOOK, YOU go get YOUR SUBJECTS to come FORWARD. YOU won't do it because you know U stretched the truth and you embarassed them.

There comes a time when you just have to move on and that is the hardest thing I have ever had to do. Out of necessity I have been weaning myself and to recap the yrs I have argued and cryed and laughed about Cooper.

Gently and slowing going over some of Information provided & decide where it is in the play of things.......With new subjects the information has to be ridged and not some general statement for the sake of a srory. If there is still a witness alive - bring him her - read it to him and ask him what he wants to say.
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but the visceral attacks here are like potato chips - hard to eat just one.



That is the attitude you are returning with?Maybe you need to learn compassion.

Formal and Written apologies to your victims might be appropriate....all who you have offended with you brash interviews.

Explain you should have called or written to obtain an interview and that you should have provide them a copy of the things you were going to publish and that they have been removed to take out the personal infective & poor reflective impressions you portrayed. Something of this nature might get you the REAL interview you actually wanted.

You were put on vacation because when anyone corrects you or tells you you have done something inappropriate - you be come alienated and do not even see yourself in the mirror...if you could you would not like the flections talking back at you.
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Jo's story did NOT change - it is right here on the DZ.



There have been many changes Jo. For example you once claimed that the annotations in the Cooper book in your local library were made by Duane's hand. Now you say something different.

You have promoted demonstrably impractical stuff like parachuting pipe welders, VOR detecting garments, escape transport by railway pump car.

It's OK, changes aren't the same as lies, but to say your story has never changed is fantasy. Georger I'm sure can point out many more changes than I can.

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Jo Stated:
Jo's story did NOT change - it is right here on the DZ.

377 Stated:
There have been many changes Jo. For example you once claimed that the annotations in the Cooper book in your local library were made by Duane's hand. Now you say something different.

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I came to the thread to explore & the handwriting was questioned by the thread. Duane's helper insisted it was his handwriting & I thought it was, but an exploration in this thread - made it evident it was not Duane's handwriting. The FBI didn't copy the pages to compare to Duane handwriting....infact they did not require anything from me that would show his various stages of handwriting thru out his life.

Who ever made the comments in the book had to be researching Cooper. Why the person was so fixated on the part about changing identities was odd. It was a book from the public library.



377 stated:
You have promoted demonstrably impractical stuff like parachuting pipe welders, VOR detecting garments, escape transport by railway pump car.

Jo replies:
The VERY reason I ever came to this thread was to ask questions and to discuss with my limitations regarding the subject.

The DZ has been an exploration & learning curve for me and for everyone else!

:)
I chose the DZ & they allowed me be here. The skyjumpers have been great as I had NO ONE to discuss these things with. I openly discussed everything in this thread with Jumpers and Pilots. The closest I could get to doing any research on my own & things the FBI would or could not explore.

377 Stated:
It's OK, changes aren't the same as lies, but to say your story has never changed is fantasy. Georger I'm sure can point out many more changes than I can.

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The explorations are part of the problem, but they are why I ended up in the DZ.

:oI was learning and with knowledge comes change. I was asking question & we had lots of debatable answers. Asking question & exploring answers is definitely not considered a lie.

I was here exposing myself because I wanted to explore all of the things Duane told me & I needed skyjumpers to answer most of those question. Asking questions the FBI could not answer and did not have the time to deal with.

:)I suppose you could say Jo's story changed - but, the things that changed where because I ASKED the questions & I OPENLY discussed my husband & the things he told me. AN OPPORTUNITY I was never provided by the FBI or others.

I am truly grateful to the DZ for allowing my presense. We didn't solve the crime and I still have strong convictions, but a lot of knowledge was gain by me and others.

:ph34r::SThe damn Brace will bug me till the day I die!:|

I agreed with the thread - the handwriting in the book was not Webers.

The VOR thing & the back brace theory - it bugs me - I still think there was someway he could detect being near the VOR other than some bulky contraption.
I still think a gyromatic was able to read a variance being transmitted between a Tower triangulation and the plane and the Vor. One was a fail safe for the other...depending on visuality. There was DEFINITELY more than one person involved if the little things Duane said to me in WA and over the yrs mean anything at all.

Weber's extreme detailed knowledge of the area, knowledge of communications and the dams and towers and off beaten areas (paths) and not one time referencing a map. Pointing out restuarant, club and the a place that use to be Ma Bell (all with SUPPOSED supposed limited knowledge of the area per the authorities). Duane talked about all the small airports and flying in and out of this one or that one. He was doing this after we left Salt Lake and then approaching OR.

Airstips I could NOT even see - but would later find out did exist. He talked about the GUYS flying in & out of the remote strips. There was one time he said almost too much & it has stuck in my mind all of these yrs. I have told the story many times, but it just got lost in the other crap.


What he said as we passed Bend, Oregon on our way to Tahoe...part of the last things Duane talked about in relation to planes & communications & the Guys. It was like he was saying GOOD BYE.

The rest of our marriage was odd and sometime elusive, but non as mysterious as that week of (1979) in OR, WA & NV and then his sudden departure after the money find in (1980).
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With all the details changing and endless speculation, this guy makes the case that everyone could be jumping to a lot of conclusions....
http://www.cnn.com/2014/03/16/opinion/palmer-malaysia-flight-370/index.html?hpt=bosread
but....A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on.....Winston Churchill

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***With all the details changing and endless speculation, this guy makes the case that everyone could be jumping to a lot of conclusions....
http://www.cnn.com/2014/03/16/opinion/palmer-malaysia-flight-370/index.html?hpt=bosread



Including himself.

Actually, I didn't get that he was saying that other explanations were correct or more probable - he was just offering up that though the evidence may be consistent with deliberate acts, it doesn't preclude other explanations as well. Seemed to be a reasonable stance to me.
but....A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on.....Winston Churchill

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Well, maybe it was a Payne Stewart-type ending. Who knows? One of the big problems with that scenario is the com from 'someone' that was done minutes AFTER the transponder was non-functional.

I don't know.

Recalling the bizarre incident with the Stewart jet, it was porpoising along for over a thousand miles. Military jets followed it for some time. The windows were all frozen over. Then on one of the 'up's' it ran out of fuel and came down practically vertical into the ground. The impact was immense, the crater large.

If 370 had undergone rapid decompression and killed everybody on board, that doesn't explain the lack of data from the aircraft, although this would explain why no one made any calls or emails from Business Class. (Thirty-five seats, all with video/game controllers capable of sending/receiving email. There is also sat-phone service in Business Class. This is according to the MA website.)

With the frankly crap investigation going on with Malaysian officials, I don't even know if I believe the claims that the plane flew on for hours. Oh, sure...it probably did...but if they suddenly found wreckage a couple of hundred miles off the Malaysian coast, that wouldn't surprise me either. It's hard to know what source of information to trust on this one.

Latest News: The Terrorists Speak Up

I guess we can rule out the Taliban.. Your infamous terror folks said 'we didn't do it,' this according to Reuters.

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'Reuters is quoting Taliban militants in Afghanistan and Pakistan, who denied involvement in the case of the MH370.

Zabihullah Mujahid, a spokesman for the Taliban in Afghanistan, told Reuters that “(we) do not have any information as it is an external issue”.

An unnamed Taliban source in Pakistan was even more candid, telling the news service: “We wish we had an opportunity to hijack such a plane”...'



I'm sure they would. Doesn't that make you feel all better now? LOL.


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Just another aviation incident with no answers until the debris surfaces and over that much water - probably never. I just feel bad for the families and especially the families of the pilot because their lives are forever changed...as are those of the passengers.

Certain stygmas seem to never go away when an individual is thought to have been the cause of such an incident....but, those who grieve eventually move on.

This will be debated for many yrs to come and the pain it causes results in the families seemingly to experience flashbacks everytime lives lost in another domestic flight failure. In a war we expect the losses, but regardless NONE of it is ever easy....when so many lives are lost in one incident.

Reading about all of the accusations and debates flying around - in this day of the internet only adds to things. The nature of this thread - well, it is about a skyjacking that could have had more devasting results than it did.

The trama of the passengers and the flight crew was a fear that endure for a long period of time - and this makes me and I hope some of you "think" about the continued probing of the skyjacked crew. They do NOT need to re-live their experience so others can write obtuse remarks about them....
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Seems like a lotta shaking going on. Finally others are hearing the things I told for yrs.

Dona Elliot in Ariel claimed she heard a plane fly over.

But they do NOT mention the 4 individuals just North and East of Battleground who also heard and claimed to have been able to see a shadow beyond the clouds that sounded like a plane very low. 4 people in one location.
When I found them only 2 were alive and I do not know if they are still alive.

What that site does NOT know is the fact that 2 other individuals - one slightly West and East of Ariel and the other just a few mile away but even further to the East also heard the plane.

Everyone of these sighting can be marked on a map - a map that puts Cooper in the vincinity the search crews went to look for him - but by that time he was gone...and I am the only one who knows the spot locations - because NO one would acknowledge the information above. I have tried for 16 yrs to tell what I know - but it fell on deaf ears. I was willing to go along with others because I thought I could be wrong. I know how he moved so rapidly over a certain area - but NO one would hear me....no one listened.

I do not know if the radar reports where off - but I do know that Cooper did NOT land anywhere near Vancouver and the Columbia river at that point....No one would even listen to the Co-pilot.

He could see the lights of Vancouver out of his window...he was not looking forward but to the West side of the plane - I know nothing about flight paths but I do know if he could see the lights of Vancouver on his right side - that they had curved to the East - ever so slightly.

The pilot and the co-pilot both said the plane was East. Rataczak stated the plane was to the East of the Vector
Nothing about the flight of 727 indicated the plane flew over Tina's bar.

The condition of the money indicates it was concealed in another location for a period of time and NOT on the beach of Tina's bar.

No way it came down the Washougal to the Columbia - it would have been shredded. Any of you actually been to the Washougal ? - I have and NO bag of money could have made it to Tina's bar from the Washougal river.

Too much evidence has been erased over the yrs - accidently or whatever one chooses to believe - the evidence was compromised.

I have tried to tell the FBI and others that money was else where from Nov 1971 to Sept of 1979....and it was contaminated and had to be disposed of.
So it was placed where it meant the most to the depositor. Tina's bar was not chosen casually...it had meaning to the man who put it there....but he also made other deposits - they were NOT found. One directly across from the PDX - that one was symbolic - "coming right back at you". Remember the story Duane told me about the stolen boat and the boy's - that they let the boat loose right infront of the PDX!

Now yrs later - Cooper is making a symbolic deposit and I believe it was done to remember one of the other GUYS.
Remember what Duane told me at Tina's bar. Standing up by the Oaks in the parking lot - he told me he used to know a man who lived across the river in Portland - he was pointing to the West, but all I could see was a water. He told me about a housing area I could not see that flooded and that was where the man used to lived....he said a name for the area.

Now if this is connected or not I do not know - he also told me about the box and the nickels and the BOYS used to go there.

I have NOT a clue how any of this is connected .... I only tell what I know and what I remember and this may well be the last time I can tell it.

Each day I have problems remembering where things are - I open the wrong cupbards on the cabinets and I can't remember what I went to a room to get. I have to write everything down....so don't let me down.....remember these things and do NOT misquote me or try to make me sound like an idiot or a liar - because I am none of those things.

The Tina's bar money was the only money found on that beach. It was crumbled and it was tampered with by the finders...No one will know the exact condition of that money other than what the finders told the FBI.

The flight path and the money find are only related by the person who put the money there as a tribute to the man he told me about on that early fall day in 1979.

Okay that's it! JO's argument and tonight I did add just a little some of you may not have known...but it is all there in the past of one Duane L. Weber and the people he knew....

No one remembered the boy with the smile and the charming ways - he was just a bad boy and mothers didn't like their daughters seeing BAD boys in those days. McNeil had out camps that were recommended and arrange for by a man - this man was a Sheriff & a friend of the family and he arrange for young men sent to McNeil for non violent crimes to particate in special programs with the CPs and with the Local Forestry in programs that became the forerunners for the system we have today....he did this because the system was over crowded and these young men did NOT belong in McNeil. Some of them made him proud....Dusty was not one of those boys.

Now prove me wrong and maybe you can because this was taken from things told to me by Duane's sister & by Duane. Find the history of the Wuestenberys (not sure of the spelling and I do NOT feel like digging it out of the file) and check it out - 1945.

He taught these boys how to be plane mechanics and foresty and logging and provided some of them with the principles they used to live by....some very soon and some much later in life. They learned to build thing and carpentry...they built some places on the river - log cabins and in season worked the Orchards and dug graves.

They did any kind of work he could find and they lived in camps - in the areas.
They helped the CP's built parks and paths. They hauled rocks from and to pits...why Weber knew were very PIT was. They provided the digging of graves -Duane was familiar with the cemeteries and at one place he knew a BOY buried there....supposedly one of their own.

Some of couple of the guys went on to become jumpers and to work with the forestry. You didn't have to be a jumper to learn the basics and try it out.

There is NO way in GODS name I could make this shit up - it is as close as I can remember to the things Duane told me about....why my memory is so vivid right now is just a gift from GOD. Tomorrow I might not be able to remember how to fix myself a meal...and I might not feel good. Yesterday I cooked the first meal for myself I had in a long time - all from scratch - of course I cooked it too long.

I also made cookies I forgot were in the oven and they baked for 7 hrs while I slept - they were charcoal briquets this morning. Never done anything like that in my life... God gave me a good NIGHT and a clear memory tonight....he knows I have other things I need to tend to.

The is the clearest my mind has been regarding the things Duane told me and the things he did - and I am not sure what triggered it. Perhaps a question someone asked me - but the memories have kept on coming. I know I have told them before, but I do not think I remembered some of the details nor in long long post and the memories for some reason just keep coming.

Now I am very tired and I have tears streaming down my face and I have to go. The future is NOT looking to rosy right now - so I am pushing to tell all I can tell and HOPE that someone someday remembers what I have told and connects the dots.

If Duane Weber was NOT Cooper he sure knew who was and it would be one of the boys...maybe more than one of them.
Find the files and the rosters with all of the names of the boys and you will find Cooper....one was Indian or part Indian. Duane drew NO racial barriers - be clear no that - because he was often thought to be Black or Indian.

I personally saw and witnessed him making a stand for what he believed & I have told that story before regarding Va Bch and the service guys on the street. one of many incidents he stood the ground.

I also know he went far and above racial lines to makes things right. He told me stories, but now I know these stories where part of his life.
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If you're going to take the trouble to start up an alternate discussion site on DB Cooper...

And then claim to be 'fair and impartial' in order to interest the public...

Then maybe you shouldn't allow people to simply LIE whenever they feel like it without questioning it.

LOL. See attached.

Not a bit of this crap from Cook is true. Skipp Porteous and I get along fine thank you, and this summer Gayla and I will be visiting his home in California to stay in the beach house. Cook doesn't know his ass from a hole in the ground regarding yours truly and my good friend Skipp Porteous.

I'm beginning to understand why The Dead Zone (alternate site) has been a loser with the public.

Shutter: If you want to garner even the minimum amount of credibility on your new forum with the public, you should question these things once in a while. You could ask Skipp Porteous. That's one way. His email is public. Those 'honesty and courtesy' standards you touted at Dropzone to bring traffic to your forum aren't worth the space they took up here or the time you took to type them. :S

If I were in your shoes, I would be embarrassed as hell. And you SHOULD be.


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Robert, first of all, I had no intentions of coming here to continue to waste time with your problems. the problem has been addressed. I don't have time to check everything said about Robert M Blevins. you continue to use the word "LIE" and "credibility", well, why is it on your very own website that Kenny paid $16,500 cash for his house?. perhaps you also can explain how Kenny bought the "adjoining lot for $10" just to name a few, what do you call them, lies? that's just a couple for now. you are aware those are not true, so what do you call them, Fibs, known mistakes? or this one. "Personally, I've made a decision not to visit further. Better for both of us" you were already signed on and monitoring under a false name during that statement!

If you took the time to read the entire issue, you would notice I addressed the issue quickly. that part you left out. especially where I said I don't want this to be a bashing site! it's an isolated subject. it's far from what is going on in that forum, plus he did post it under the "Cooper World Gossip" section Bruce asked to start. I also see you constantly monitoring the forum under different IP's. If you have a problem about something said about you. I suggest YOU go directly to the source and resolve it yourself, and then post your findings like you always seem to like to do. again, just to make this clear. the forum does not surround Robert M Blevins, nor does it focus on what you are trying to claim the site does. my interest is in DB Cooper. I believe I'm accurate in stating that 99% of that forum does just that. can we say that percentage here? I suggest you stop trying to discredit the forum, and focus on Cooper, or continue to advertise and other things that seem to interest your reason for being here.

Have a wonderful non-Cooper focused day. B|
"It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

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Well, maybe it was a Payne Stewart-type ending. Who knows? One of the big problems with that scenario is the com from 'someone' that was done minutes AFTER the transponder was non-functional.

I don't know.



And one of the bigger problems is that the story about the timing of the communications has changed YET AGAIN. Now they are saying it happened before the transoponder was cut off AND that the communication shutdowns may have occured simultaneously.

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I don't know.



Thanks for clarifying that.
lol...Seriously...who does? There are several possible scenarios - anyone of which could be correct and with what we do think we know changing by the moment, it is anyone's guess at this point. ...Sound familiar?
but....A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on.....Winston Churchill

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Robert, first of all, I had no intentions of coming here to continue to waste time with your problems. the problem has been addressed. I don't have time to check everything said about Robert M Blevins. you continue to use the word "LIE" and "credibility", well, why is it on your very own website that Kenny paid $16,500 cash for his house?. perhaps you also can explain how Kenny bought the "adjoining lot for $10" just to name a few, what do you call them, lies? that's just a couple for now. you are aware those are not true, so what do you call them, Fibs, known mistakes? or this one. "Personally, I've made a decision not to visit further. Better for both of us" you were already signed on and monitoring under a false name during that statement!

If you took the time to read the entire issue, you would notice I addressed the issue quickly. that part you left out. especially where I said I don't want this to be a bashing site! it's an isolated subject. it's far from what is going on in that forum, plus he did post it under the "Cooper World Gossip" section Bruce asked to start. I also see you constantly monitoring the forum under different IP's. If you have a problem about something said about you. I suggest YOU go directly to the source and resolve it yourself, and then post your findings like you always seem to like to do. again, just to make this clear. the forum does not surround Robert M Blevins, nor does it focus on what you are trying to claim the site does. my interest is in DB Cooper. I believe I'm accurate in stating that 99% of that forum does just that. can we say that percentage here? I suggest you stop trying to discredit the forum, and focus on Cooper, or continue to advertise and other things that seem to interest your reason for being here.

Have a wonderful non-Cooper focused day. B|



I'm not the one with the problem.

That stuff isn't on our website anymore, (because we now have NEW info on Kenny) and that's at least TWICE now you've allowed Mr Cook to use to the word 'con man' with my name attached to it. Get real. That isn't gossip, it's slander. So please don't speak to me of 'honesty' or 'credibility'.

Now these things really have nothing to do with Dropzone. But then if you are going to allow this stuff, you shouldn't come here and advertise your new and improved product and tout it as fair and honest. Because it isn't.


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***Robert, first of all, I had no intentions of coming here to continue to waste time with your problems. the problem has been addressed. I don't have time to check everything said about Robert M Blevins. you continue to use the word "LIE" and "credibility", well, why is it on your very own website that Kenny paid $16,500 cash for his house?. perhaps you also can explain how Kenny bought the "adjoining lot for $10" just to name a few, what do you call them, lies? that's just a couple for now. you are aware those are not true, so what do you call them, Fibs, known mistakes? or this one. "Personally, I've made a decision not to visit further. Better for both of us" you were already signed on and monitoring under a false name during that statement!

If you took the time to read the entire issue, you would notice I addressed the issue quickly. that part you left out. especially where I said I don't want this to be a bashing site! it's an isolated subject. it's far from what is going on in that forum, plus he did post it under the "Cooper World Gossip" section Bruce asked to start. I also see you constantly monitoring the forum under different IP's. If you have a problem about something said about you. I suggest YOU go directly to the source and resolve it yourself, and then post your findings like you always seem to like to do. again, just to make this clear. the forum does not surround Robert M Blevins, nor does it focus on what you are trying to claim the site does. my interest is in DB Cooper. I believe I'm accurate in stating that 99% of that forum does just that. can we say that percentage here? I suggest you stop trying to discredit the forum, and focus on Cooper, or continue to advertise and other things that seem to interest your reason for being here.

Have a wonderful non-Cooper focused day. B|



I'm not the one with the problem.



So, your name is NOT RobertMBlevins? :S:S:S

But I get it. You are worth all the trouble you don't cause! :D

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Before the disappearance of the Maylasian 777 Boeing had issued the following AD (warning):

"We received a report of cracking and corrosion in the fuselage skin underneath the SATCOM antenna adapter," the FAA warned. "During a maintenance planning data inspection, one operator reported a 16-inch crack under the 3-bay SATCOM antenna adapter plate in the crown skin of the fuselage on an aeroplane that was 14 years old with approximately 14,000 total flight cycles.

"Subsequent to this crack finding, the same operator inspected 42 other aeroplanes that are between 6 and 16 years old and found some local corrosion, but no other cracking. Cracking and corrosion in the fuselage skin, if not corrected, could lead to rapid decompression and loss of structural integrity of the aeroplane."

Ironic in that the first commercial jet airliner, the De Havilland Comet, suffered catastrophic decompression and several crashes. The culprit was an ADF antenna which caused skin cracks around its mounting site.

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Before the disappearance of the Maylasian 777 Boeing had issued the following AD (warning):

"We received a report of cracking and corrosion in the fuselage skin underneath the SATCOM antenna adapter," the FAA warned. "During a maintenance planning data inspection, one operator reported a 16-inch crack under the 3-bay SATCOM antenna adapter plate in the crown skin of the fuselage on an aeroplane that was 14 years old with approximately 14,000 total flight cycles.

"Subsequent to this crack finding, the same operator inspected 42 other aeroplanes that are between 6 and 16 years old and found some local corrosion, but no other cracking. Cracking and corrosion in the fuselage skin, if not corrected, could lead to rapid decompression and loss of structural integrity of the aeroplane."

Ironic in that the first commercial jet airliner, the De Havilland Comet, suffered catastrophic decompression and several crashes. The culprit was an ADF antenna which caused skin cracks around its mounting site.

377



What everyone has suspected and NOT pilot error or terrorism. I only question WHY these plane have continued to fly with visible signs of these problems. Are not the pilots given these reports before the plane is flown? If not - Why?

Either the check and balance system is not working! Maybe everyone the public needs to make an out cry by demanding that copies of inspection reports be made public it that is even possible.

If an airline continues to put a plane in the air with reports like this - I do NOT want to fly ever again...but, the highway is dangerous with all of the driving while texting or distracted by a phone or other equipment that should NOT be operational when the car is in drive.

Frankly I think some of the gadgets on cars that distract the driver need to automatically disengage when the vehicle is placed into drive.
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March 18, 1995 at 3:15 central standard time....

Duane Lorin Weber
John C. Collins (aka)
Dan Cooper (aka)
D.B. Cooper (aka)
Johnnie xxxxxx (aka)
Dusty xxxxx (aka)

Died of polycystic kidney failure after ceasing diaylsis 2 wks earlier...several days after he confessed to his wife
"I'm Dan Cooper" and attempted to tell his wife what he was talking about.

She was clueless!

It was not common knowledge
D.B. Cooper had bought his ticket under
the name of Dan Cooper.


[:/]:|:(
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Robt - GROW UP!

I read the thread, but I DO not come to the DZ & BITCH or complain about what they are saying. You should be grateful they even allow you to read only.

Outside of a couple of guys they are actually exploring some things without the constant interference of someone promoting a book.

You were part of the problem here & why it was necessary to form a site they could discuss Cooper...in their own way. You commercialized the DZ to sell your book! Frankly that should have been a NO NO from get go. NO promotional postings! You are the major reason that site exists! That should come as NO SURPRISE!

[:/]Why do you report every negative thing you do not agree with to the DZ? Your promotional postings in the DZ are long & repetitive. 50% of the time I do not read your postings past the first paragraph.

Your relationship with Porteous? Prove it!. My brief conversations with Porteous yrs ago did not project a relationship. Does he call you or do you call him?

Remember these words "manipulation" " & "liability". Being connected to you or your story is both of those.
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Jo,

You'd be shocked at what it takes to get an airliner grounded. Many are flying with known faults and the airlines can often wait until next scheduled maintenance to fix them. Owners are usually required to inspect and monitor until repairs can be made. The FAA ADs are public record and there are thousands.

Look at all these 777 ADs from Australia's FAA:

2009-26-03 Standby Static Inverter 28/07/2010
2010-06-09 Inadvertant Engagement of the Autopilot 01/04/2010
2008-01-01 Flight Deck Door 06/07/2010
2010-13-03 Keyway of Fuel Tank Access Door Cutout of the Lower Wing Skin 01/02/2010
2010-15-01 Flight Deck Window 1 Arcing 17/08/2010
2010-14-13 Inboard Main Track Slat Can for Outboard Slat Number 12 - Detect and Correct Damage 17/08/2010
2010-16-12 Oil Scavenge Tube on the Turbine Rear Frame 17/08/2010
2010-23-15 Centre Tank Fuel Leakage 22/12/2010
2010-26-01 Installation of Insulation Blanket on Latch Beam Firewall 20/1/2011
2011-05-12 Horizontal Stabilizer Jackscrew Fitting - Karon Lined Bushing Inspection and Replacement 14/04/2010
2011-09-05 Prevention of Potential Ignition Sources Inside Fuel Tanks 26/05/2011
2011-09-11 Strut Disconnect Assembly - Inspection 6/6/2011
2011-09-15 To Prevent Potential Ignition Sources Inside Fuel Tanks 6/6/2011
2011-21-03 Electrical Power Connector 16/11/2011

2011-26-03 Prevention of Electrical Arcing on the Fuel Tank Boundary Structure or Inside the Main and Center Fuel Tanks 03/01/2012

2012-07-06 Airworthiness Limitations and Certification Maintenance Requirements 15/05/2012

2012-08-09 Wing Centre Section Spanwise Beams - Inspection 29/05/2012

2012-08-13 Rudder Bonding Jumper Brackets 29/05/2012

2012-09-14 Forward Cargo Door - Latch Pin - Inspection 21/06/2012

2012-10-10 Horizontal Stabiliser Pivot Pin - Replacement / Repetitive Inspection 29/06/2012

2012-11-03 Main Landing Gear Trunnion Lower Housing Fuse Pin Cross Bolts and Fuse Pins - Inspection 09/07/2012

2012-12-19 Ceiling Support Structure - Installation 30/07/2012

2012-14-03 Fatigue Crack - Lap Joint - Inspection / Repair 27/08/2012

2012-16-04 Thermal Damage of the Thrust Reverser 03/10/2012

2012-19-10 MLG - Centre Axle and Shock Strut Inner Cylinder Lugs - Inspection 05/10/2012

2012-21-10 Flight Controls - Rudder and Tab - Rudder Power Control Units Reaction Link Assembly - Replacement / Repair 14/11/2012

2012-23-06 Wire Support Clamps in the Forward Section of the Aft Pressure Bulkhead 31/12/2012

2013-05-03 Main and Centre Fuel Tank Motor-Operated Valve Actuators 25/04/2013

2013-05-05 Electrical Load Management System 25/04/2013

2013-05-10 Slide/Raft Packboard Release Mechanisms 03/05/2013

2013-07-11 Fuselage - Fuselage Skin External Scribe Lines - Inspection 20/05/2013

2013-08-09 Oxygen - Passenger Oxygen Mask Clamshell Couplers 23/05/2013

2013-08-02 Flight Controls - Elevator Actuator Fitting - Inspection 24/05/2013

2013-11-04 Urethane Foam Seals 09/07/2013

2013-11-14 Strut Forward Dry Bay/s - Inspection for Hydraulic Fluid contamination and Drain Line blockage 19/07/2013

2014-05-05 Auto flight - Auto Pilot / Flight Director TCAS function - De-Activation 20/03/2014

2014-05-09 Inspection for the Part Number of the Main Landing Gear Retract Actuator Fuse Pin 14/04/2014

2014-05-03 Fuselage Skin Underneath SATCOM Antenna Adapter 09/04/2014

Large transport aircraft are very complex and faults are inevitable. They can't ground the fleet for every fault or airline travel would grind to a halt. Regulators try to make judgment calls about whether faults make planes unairworthy. If they don't, flight ops continue and repairs are made according to schedules.

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RobertMBlevins

***Robert, first of all, I had no intentions of coming here to continue to waste time with your problems. the problem has been addressed. I don't have time to check everything said about Robert M Blevins. you continue to use the word "LIE" and "credibility", well, why is it on your very own website that Kenny paid $16,500 cash for his house?. perhaps you also can explain how Kenny bought the "adjoining lot for $10" just to name a few, what do you call them, lies? that's just a couple for now. you are aware those are not true, so what do you call them, Fibs, known mistakes? or this one. "Personally, I've made a decision not to visit further. Better for both of us" you were already signed on and monitoring under a false name during that statement!

If you took the time to read the entire issue, you would notice I addressed the issue quickly. that part you left out. especially where I said I don't want this to be a bashing site! it's an isolated subject. it's far from what is going on in that forum, plus he did post it under the "Cooper World Gossip" section Bruce asked to start. I also see you constantly monitoring the forum under different IP's. If you have a problem about something said about you. I suggest YOU go directly to the source and resolve it yourself, and then post your findings like you always seem to like to do. again, just to make this clear. the forum does not surround Robert M Blevins, nor does it focus on what you are trying to claim the site does. my interest is in DB Cooper. I believe I'm accurate in stating that 99% of that forum does just that. can we say that percentage here? I suggest you stop trying to discredit the forum, and focus on Cooper, or continue to advertise and other things that seem to interest your reason for being here.

Have a wonderful non-Cooper focused day. B|



I'm not the one with the problem.

That stuff isn't on our website anymore, (because we now have NEW info on Kenny) and that's at least TWICE now you've allowed Mr Cook to use to the word 'con man' with my name attached to it. Get real. That isn't gossip, it's slander. So please don't speak to me of 'honesty' or 'credibility'.

Now these things really have nothing to do with Dropzone. But then if you are going to allow this stuff, you shouldn't come here and advertise your new and improved product and tout it as fair and honest. Because it isn't.

Robert,
When you come back to DropZone to comment on what is going on the other site (I call it the academic site), do you realize that most of us read both sites. So, I'm not sure who you're reporting to.

Second question (as long as I'm asking questions). You report that Marge Geestman accused her ex-husband of being involved in the hijacking. I reviewed your book, and watched Decoded and that isn't in either place. Are the circumstances of her comments recorded anywhere?

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"you shouldn't come here and advertise your new and improved product and tout it as fair and honest.'

as usual you are skewing things. I don't believe a link has ever been provided on this forum. I received a PM from a member about someone from here wanting the link. you are Mr. advertise, not me.

I suggested to you once before, if you have a problem with someone on that forum. you might want take it up with them, or better yet get Skip to come forward. whining about it won't help. go to the source. why talk about it away from the source, go talk to him about it. your whining about one post out of a total of 370 in the last couple weeks. do you have positive proof Cossey is a liar while screaming slander?

"That stuff isn't on our website anymore"

as for you removing incorrect data on your site. this screen shot was taken and hour ago! last update was April 2013. I think it has your title at the top? B|

by the way, you must be slipping. apparently your subject is on yet again another forum. if you don't mind I'll go back and talk about Cooper while you sweep the net......B|
"It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

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THIS MAY WELL BE THE LONGEST POST I HAVE EVER DONE, BUT PLEASE TRY TO READ THOUGH IT:

Guys, I know you are sick of hearing me talk about Weber, but at least I didn't make up a story or co-erce family members & friends & publish a book vitimizing family and friends .

I argued my case in this thread & sought help to find the truths. The FBI dismissed Duane in 1998 based ONLY on prints...Then in 2003 they requested DNA & did NOT test it until AFTER Larry Carr came to this thread in 2007.

I was afraid to let the FBI have 2 items I knew had Duane's DNA on them...and justifiable so as it took them 5 yrs to return the other stuff. With what I know now the watch & pipe could have gone POOF!

Another created a story for profit or perhaps he twisted the words of those he interviewed & they did not ask to proof the book for accuracy.

Where they naive enough to think a little story here or there wouldn't hurt? Most of the story was embellished...but, did he convince the innocent individuals his research was real & did they just go along? Until they come forward we do not know if they were victims or if they were manipulated or if they actually made all the claims stated as fact.

It was a book for profit and he advertises & advertises - if you repeat something often enough maybe some one will believe it!

We need a prime time TV program called DEBUGGED, BUSTED or HOAXED!

One University assigned a woman to HOAX me & she couldn't do it so she decided to help me.

A guy out of a midwest state tried to mislead me - to see if I would follow what he wanted...I played along, but he was easy to see thru. I kept hoping I was wrong - just encase he was for real. He wasn't and I ended the connection.

That one went around & around and when I contacted the FBI he went POOF! But, NOT altogether - he just shifted his gate. He started in on me before Cossey was killed & then was absent for a while. Then after a short break he was back at it. I played with him a little, but finally he went POOF again when I challenged him to provide ME with proof of his story! Of Course he couldn't do it. I posted a picture he sent me that had his reflecion in it. A Lawrence KS box.

We had one guy come to this thread who started up RIGHT after I ditched the mid-west guy. By the way we had 2 of them almost back to back...they went POOF! One was in & gone and then the next one followed on the thread. One could read thru fishing expediction. There was similarities in the verbage & posturing as the man who had contacted me by phone & email for several months.
I never knew if they were the same or not...but both are gone.

I ventured the last 2 were one and the same, because the caller had indicated there was 3 of them....I do not believe that at all. The story had all the earmarks of the phone contact. These "guys" were creating a story & tossing shit on the wall to see if any of it would stick.

We seemed to be minus 2 posters almost back to back - and some of you guys actually nibbled at the bait...I kept waiting to see what would happen & for some reason these guys went POOF also. I expect the 2 were one and the same & the same as the other who claimed midwest connections.

Maybe these guys all went to the same school as Knoss. I know I have LOST all of you right now....someday someone will get it right and maybe someday someone will understand what I have been through.

None of you know about all of the CONS who have contacted me over the last few yrs. Just about every tactic in the book has been placed & utilized to convince me they knew Duane was really Cooper. Some were genuine contacts and they thought the information they were providing might help.

One many yrs ago was a young lady who thought Duane might be her grand father. Now that one was early on and she was genuine. I took the information & I worked with it - but, the time lines & the information didn't work. She told me all she could - and some of it I can't repeat.

She sent me a picture of herself & I came across it the other day with her email. If there was ONE I wish could have worked out - it would be that one. We both would have had some answers about our strange lives & the stories we were told. Her story was the most believeable of them all - I just could not put Duane in the right place at the right time. I never turned it over tho the FBI because I knew they would do nothing with it.

Maybe I should go back and find the story & old emails - maybe I missed something & now I know more about Duane's past than I did in those early days.....but, there is not enough time left to accomplish all that needs to be done.

Perhaps Blevins will win & the world will declare his suspect was Cooper! DO YOU really think that will happen? I hope not, because it will be a horrible miscarriage of justice. An innocent man convicted of a crime he had nothing to do with because a writer wanted to make a name for himself and to satisfy his personal obcessions.

One might say the same of me - but, Duane actually told me he was Dan Cooper and his record speaks for itself!
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mrshutter45

"you shouldn't come here and advertise your new and improved product and tout it as fair and honest.'

as usual you are skewing things. I don't believe a link has ever been provided on this forum. I received a PM from a member about someone from here wanting the link. you are Mr. advertise, not me.

I suggested to you once before, if you have a problem with someone on that forum. you might want take it up with them, or better yet get Skip to come forward. whining about it won't help. go to the source. why talk about it away from the source, go talk to him about it. your whining about one post out of a total of 370 in the last couple weeks. do you have positive proof Cossey is a liar while screaming slander?

"That stuff isn't on our website anymore"

as for you removing incorrect data on your site. this screen shot was taken and hour ago! last update was April 2013. I think it has your title at the top? B|

by the way, you must be slipping. apparently your subject is on yet again another forum. if you don't mind I'll go back and talk about Cooper while you sweep the net......B|



That's not from our website, Shutter....it's an old article from my personal Newsvine column. Our website hasn't had anything remotely related to what you describe for a long time now. However...now that I know the source I will make the needed adjustments. I spent an hour updating it today.

I have no further comments on Cook except one. If he's become desperate enough to begin lying about people, making up phony email messages, and calling a competing investigation into Cooper a 'con man' job, this shows he's basically given up the straight path in his investigation. Today it's Skipp and me. Tomorrow, maybe someone else. ;)

I'm attaching one of the many emails Skipp and I exchange. Maybe you should show it to Cook and see what he says. It's from the series when I asked him to provide Kenny's DD214, which he did.


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I swear if the Cooper sites were auditoriums one could hear a pin drop.

I got an email tonight:

The night Clerk is back in the states!
LOTS of things happening and lots of people very quiet.

Ssshhhh! Maybe it is the quiet before the STORM! Strange I was talking about that in an email early this evening - a storm that is.
The Storm was a 3 yr old baby boy!

:)
:)
I have all of my exchanges with GALEN in black and WHITE - paper and some also put a disk. 6 plus inches of emails he exchanged with me - almost 2 full 4 inch notebooks - all printed and in chronological order. That doesn't count the others which are marked Very Important in a separate book 1-1/2 inches thick....and most of them have a privacy disclosure on them.

:PGalen is a player - I can show in those emails how he was shifting. Taking things I said and shifting them to another subject making them part of his story with just very slight changes - best example is the Nightmare about leaving prints on the Aft Stairs....he did a shift and made it that his suspect told a judge about leaving prints on the aft stairs.....WOW! I can PROVE he never concieved of that until I wrote him an email about it and told him about it.

:PHe adapted that to his new suspect Gossett at a later date. When I told him about the dream he had never heard of Gossett. It is public record when Galen first learned about Gossett and I have emails that pre-date that contact with Gossett's son on the radio show.:)
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