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RobertMBlevins

It's been my experience that there is a marked difference between the civilian fans/investigators/interested parties who hover around DB Cooper...

And the people who investigate other famous cases such as Amelia Earhart, Jimmy Hoffa, or Jack the Ripper, for example.

Yes. Cooperland is different, of that there is no doubt. I would like to quote from my Newsvine article, which I still think rings true:

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'In the last forty-plus years, a cult of sorts has built up around Cooper. The word 'cult' itself has a negative connotation, so I choose to use the sociological definition:

'A self-identified group of people who share a narrowly defined interest or perspective...'

There are three basic types of people here. The first are the people who celebrate Cooper's life because he was the guy who 'stuck it to the man' for two hundred grand (just over a million in today's dollars) and never got caught. These are ones you mostly meet at the annual celebration in Ariel, WA on the anniversary of the hijacking. They gather on the Saturday before Thanksgiving Thursday at Dona Elliot's Ariel General Store and Tavern in Ariel, WA and party with a live band until late. Most of them don't want to know who Cooper was, because that would take the fun out of the whole thing. I understand this concept completely. In any case, a visit to this party is definitely worth the trip.

The second group are the unbiased civilian investigators, or writers with an interest in the case. This includes people like Wayne Walker, a retired nuclear consultant who maintains the best website ever created on Cooper. Or Geoffrey Gray, the author who wrote the most recent book on Cooper that was a New York Times bestseller. Another addition to the data on Cooper was the research done by the Citizen Sleuths. They are three people who were allowed access by the FBI to the physical evidence, and who later published their results on a comprehensive website. They are the finest that Cooperland has to offer.

The third group are the most dangerous type in this cult. They are the folks who either don't want to know who the hijacker was because they live solely for the discussion, or the people who push one suspect to the exclusion of all others. They can be mean, hateful, and will go to any lengths to convince you they are right, sometimes even lying if it suits their ends. If you aren't convinced of their viewpoint, they will occasionally take the low road and post the worst things imaginable on any article or forum regarding Cooper about anyone else investigating the case. These actions are often based on jealousy or outright hatred, and seek to discredit others investigating the case, or those with an interest, in order to forward their own agenda...'



Some of the people investigating the case have been doing it for a lot longer than I have. Others are more well-known. And over the years, they have deluded themselves into the creation of a group I call Cooper Royalty. These are a core group of people, who although they might not share similar opinions on a given suspect, will circle the wagons and support attacks and lies on anyone who threatens the conversation that is not within their accepted circle. They FEAR newcomers. They fear that someone outside that circle of fantasy might be the Johnny-Come-Lately who puts the lie to all their years of work.

But what this does is have the effect of squashing any new, real investigation into the case. Cooper Royalty has been spinning the same tired theories, the same attempts to shift reality for years. They are chained to the Cooper Royalty Ferris Wheel, where they claim to encourage new discussion and openess, but in reality are AFRAID of it.

Problem is, you can't have it both ways. No one within that group will ever be ready to accept a truth unless that truth falls within the strict, narrow agenda set by Cooper Royalty. In reality, they plod through their 'investigations' as if they have a ball and chain attached to their leg. They are an oxymoron, an aberration within civilian investigation groups. And this hampers their efforts while discouraging the public from participating.

This is what I have observed since I first ventured into Cooperland back in 2008. :)


I'm going to let most of this go by without comment...just because. But, I will raise one point. Do you really consider Geoff Gray to be an unbiased Cooper researcher? I'm not saying he's biased, but rather that he's not really a researcher. He did a feature story on Kenny, and did some profiling on the dropzone. Nothing wrong with that, but I wouldn't call him a researcher.

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Have you read his 2007 article and the book that followed? I don't think he did all that off the top of his head. The book was on the NYT bestseller list for a while. You don't accomplish that with your first book unless you put a bit of work into the whole thing.

You have to look at the REAL subjects of his book. It's only maybe half strictly about the Cooper case. He does cover the actual events of the hijacking pretty well. He reveals things not seen previously regarding witness statements. He examines suspects. But the other thing he does is to look at the general 'Cooperland' thing that surrounds the case and has for many years. He tries to present readers with a bigger picture of the World That Is Cooper...and on that level I think he did a great job.

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Sluggo sent me a very short email. So happy to hear from him. No real news, just letting me know he's alive and kicking.

I wish Farflung would do the same. I do worry about him.

377
2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

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Jo wrote
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Jo teases a little, but she is a forthright person and a very honest person. Always have been and will always be that way.



teases a little???

How about teases constantly? It's very consistent Jo. It's part of your core. You even withheld possible DNA bearing items from the FBI.

You promise blockbusters and deliver poofs.

You always hold something back.

It's counterproductive but you persist.

I don't question your honesty though.

377
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RobertMBlevins

It's been my experience that there is a marked difference between the civilian fans/investigators/interested parties who hover around DB Cooper...
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The third group are the most dangerous type in this cult. They are the folks who either don't want to know who the hijacker was because they live solely for the discussion, or the people who push one suspect to the exclusion of all others. They can be mean, hateful, and will go to any lengths to convince you they are right, sometimes even lying if it suits their ends. If you aren't convinced of their viewpoint, they will occasionally take the low road and post the worst things imaginable on any article or forum regarding Cooper about anyone else investigating the case. These actions are often based on jealousy or outright hatred, and seek to discredit others investigating the case, or those with an interest, in order to forward their own agenda...'



Robert says: Some of the people investigating the case have been doing it for a lot longer than I have. Others are more well-known. And over the years, they have deluded themselves into the creation of a group I call Cooper Royalty. These are a core group of people, who although they might not share similar opinions on a given suspect, will circle the wagons and support attacks and lies on anyone who threatens the conversation that is not within their accepted circle. They FEAR newcomers. They fear that someone outside that circle of fantasy might be the Johnny-Come-Lately who puts the lie to all their years of work.

But what this does is have the effect of squashing any new, real investigation into the case. Cooper Royalty has been spinning the same tired theories, the same attempts to shift reality for years. They are chained to the Cooper Royalty Ferris Wheel, where they claim to encourage new discussion and openess, but in reality are AFRAID of it.

Problem is, you can't have it both ways. No one within that group will ever be ready to accept a truth unless that truth falls within the strict, narrow agenda set by Cooper Royalty. In reality, they plod through their 'investigations' as if they have a ball and chain attached to their leg. They are an oxymoron, an aberration within civilian investigation groups. And this hampers their efforts while discouraging the public from participating.

This is what I have observed since I first ventured into Cooperland back in 2008. :)


What we see depends mainly upon what we look for. -- John Lubbock.

In other words, Robert, our own reality shades our perceptions of events and others.

Hubris abounds so you will never see it, and, of course, you will deny it, but you could also be describing RobertMBlevins in that third group and your subsequent paragraphs.

Just saying.....lots of stone throwing for someone that lives in a glass house, dontcha think?
but....A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on.....Winston Churchill

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377

Sluggo sent me a very short email. So happy to hear from him. No real news, just letting me know he's alive and kicking.

I wish Farflung would do the same. I do worry about him.

377



me too.
but....A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on.....Winston Churchill

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smokin99

***Sluggo sent me a very short email. So happy to hear from him. No real news, just letting me know he's alive and kicking.

I wish Farflung would do the same. I do worry about him.

377



me too.

Jo Dittos that - felt with his weight and multiple heath problems he was either dead or in a nursing home...Glad to know he is still around!

He went Poof like Snowman and Farflung.
One always wonders what happened to those we never hear from.
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I have been looking for 2 men for yrs.
These men would have been the fathers of younger men Duane knew & kept in contact with for yrs.

Jumping was mentioned when Duane spoke to these young men - on 2 different sides of the states.

Phil Harris Sr. The man was a jumper in the Seattle area & other areas of WA. As a young man or later in life. There are SO MANY Phil Harris in the WA area it was impossible. Phil Harris Jr is supposedly decease so I have been told.

In 1978 Duane was talking Harris Jr. & asked him about his father. The father was still alive at that time, but was not jumping because he was too old.

I will guess this man was born between 1914 and 1924. I want to know the occupation of Sr. Harris & what his connections to Weber consisted of.

The other man's name is very common in the WA area. Pennington.

I have no first name for Sr. Pennington but would think he was Duane's age so I can only guess his birth would be also between 1914 & 1930.

Searched on my own for yrs off & on. Some of you have sources & capabilities I do not.

One of these sons looks like a miniature Sheridan Petersen. Image a youthful face on a man about 5'7" with staight glossy dark hair. Duane inquiring about the fathers of these two men who were about my age was a PUZZLE - this is a piece of the puzzle that might bring the past of Duane Weber into focus.

You guys know how to PM me or email me.

If one of you contacts me that I feel I can trust NOT to misuse the information
I will give you all I know. (not much more than what I have just written other than employment of the Jrs). Have NO idea how these fathers were connected to Duane Weber (aka Johnnie (Dusty) Collins). The fact they were jumpers is what interests me.

I would bet Harris was connected to Wa Smokejumping or the forestry division and have a feeling that Pennington was also. The conversations the younger men did NOT want to discuss infront of me and one answered with "He too old for that now"

The other took the conversation out of range, but I heard the first the question Duane directed at they man & then they walked away, but I still caught a few words.

This meant nothing to me until I found out who DAN COOPER was.

Vickie & Bennett seem to have good resources for the WA area. Do NOT put your searchs into the thread - run them by me to see if there is even a remote chance. No need in causing hard feelings with these sons - but, I do NEED to know the histories of the 2 fathers.

Needle in the haystack with Phil Harris Sr
and the name Pennington - I have NO idea what his fathers name was. I have tried to research every corner of Duane L. Weber's life. No one Knows WA & OR the way Duane did without there being a solid long term connections to the areas.

Duane knew every airport and the resturants near them. He knew every tower, the Vor, gravel pits, rivers, camp grounds, fishing camps, swinging bridge, bridge and stores in OR and WA. by name and looked for the woman in St Helens OR who had an antique shop near the river.

Her name was the name in 2 of the books Duane had! Joan Garrity (not sure I spelled that right, but will look it up later this week).
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Danielle1010

Because he's an old fucking piece of shit liar



Young Lady or young Man - you claimed a disability when you came to the thread, BUT that is NO excuse for the POTTY MOUTH! Seems like all you do is spout out off the wall remarks. This is a forum & we are basically all adults, but you are supposedly a child with a disability.

Time for your parents to monitor your langage on the thread. Not sure you are a child! I have a 24 yr old disabled granddaughter & I would never approve of her being in this thread and making those kinds of remarks.

She plays games all over the world & I am sure her parents would not approve of her being in this thread and talking like that.

Not feeling comfortable with a child using the verbage you use.
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skyjack71

***Because he's an old fucking piece of shit liar



Young Lady or young Man - you claimed a disability when you came to the thread, BUT that is NO excuse for the POTTY MOUTH! Seems like all you do is spout out off the wall remarks. This is a forum & we are basically all adults, but you are supposedly a child with a disability.

Time for your parents to monitor your langage on the thread. Not sure you are a child! I have a 24 yr old disabled granddaughter & I would never approve of her being in this thread and making those kinds of remarks.

She plays games all over the world & I am sure her parents would not approve of her being in this thread and talking like that.

Not feeling comfortable with a child using the verbage you use.

Sure, Geestman's a liar. That's already been established. The only question I have is why he told those lies, i.e. why he felt motivated to tell them. I doubt anyone will ever find out, or if the FBI will ever question he or the other folks I mentioned. I've accepted that.

I'm taking my laptop and all my camping gear into the Olympics this weekend. I have four days off and haven't had a decent outdoor experience in a while. The last time I went, it stormed the whole time. This time I will make sure to ditch the tent. (*Ditching* means digging a small trench around three sides of the tent to facilitate runoff away from the tent.) My usual program is day hiking during the day, barbeque, etc. At night I listen old sci-fi radio shows, play Super Nintendo (can't do the 'modern' games lol), and work on book and article stuff on the laptop. I am looking forward to this trip and have been preparing all week. I power all this using a few large deep-cycle marine batteries and a power converter with a power strip. I used to take a generator but they're noisy and then everyone knows where you are camping. The batteries usually last for days of full power, but you can charge them by starting your vehicle and hooking them up to jumper cables for a while if needed. [:/]

I agree that calling Geestman names doesn't do any good, although I can see why people sometimes get emotional about it. But it doesn't help. :)


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Were Geestmans lies that bad? He basically said he didn't know KC that well, right?

Personally, if I feel that strongly about someone, I'll take that up with them man to man, face to face.
"They were saying he was never gonna make it now, now that daylight had set in. But later that night, they were shining those lights back down on that mountain again." - Todd Snider

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ParrotheadVol

Were Geestmans lies that bad? He basically said he didn't know KC that well, right?

Personally, if I feel that strongly about someone, I'll take that up with them man to man, face to face.



I tried to make a reply to this post, but it would not post - said something about debugging?

Blevins knows how to find Geestman and obviously Geestman does NOT what to talk with him...

I believe Blevins twisted the story. Geestman is an old man and not in the best of health - that was obvious from the documentary. I am sure he would love to have vindication.

I would suggest 3 individuals:
Bennett, Vicky & 377.

The approach would be that they would like to help him clear the air. Geestman does not use a computer so he has NO idea about all of the garbage & slander Blevins is stating on an internet medium or that Blevins is doing a movie script

The individuals involved in the story Blevins wrote have not a clue about this thread and have no defenses. Blevins was NOT up front with them - that is my take.

One can already hear Blevins repeated answer to that. Geestman wanted copies of the book.

I asked for a copy of Gray's book & I protested the mistruths in this thread.
Geestman does NOT have this capability and all the so called "witness" are unaware he continues to probagate the story & unware he is doing a movie script.

Geestman would love the opportunity to vindicate himself without going public & would probably sign a statement to clear himself of the harassement & clear his name....they like myself do NOT want to face the media and the media is NO longer Interested and Doesn't want to be involved.
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ParrotheadVol

Were Geestmans lies that bad? He basically said he didn't know KC that well, right?

Personally, if I feel that strongly about someone, I'll take that up with them man to man, face to face.



It's not my job to take up Geestman's lies with him. For one thing, none of them have to do with me personally. Second, on some of his lies I didn't find out until later they WERE lies until Skipp Porteous and I did some checking. Some of his statements were not outright lies, but AAB's. (Attempts At Bullshit) I will separate the two on the list.

Here's a few:

1) You already know about what he told Marisa Kagan, a production assistant for History Channel. That he hardly knew KC and thought he was a dishwasher. I consider that one basically harmless.

2) He claimed in his interview that he could not have been involved in the hijacking because he was gone to sea with Foss Tugs '10 to 11 months' in 1971. A senior exec with Foss who had been with the company more than thirty years was contacted. Foss said Geestman was gone for no more than a week to ten days at a time and then received comparable time off at home.

3) When Geestman was questioned about the $5,000 cash loan to his sister Dawn Androsko from Kenny Christiansen, Geestman claimed he knew nothing about it. His sister and her entire family say that not only did he know about it, but he was the one who approached KC for the money and delivered it to his sister.

4) When Geestman was questioned on how Kenny could afford to loan his sister all that money and buy a house less than a year after the hijacking, Geestman said 'I thought those airline people did pretty well'. This is an Attempt At Bullshit, since he knew better. He had worked for NWA himself for many years, and was well aware of Kenny's financial situation as well as the crappy working situation at NWA. He even tossed Kenny a side job once in a while working on his property in Bonney Lake when Kenny needed money.

5) Geestman was asked on Decoded whether or not he thought Kenny could be the hijacker. He told them this:
'You're asking me for MY opinion? Yes. He looks exactly like the picture the F.B.I. put out...' The problem with this statement is that several good witnesses have already placed Geestman missing - with Christiansen - the entire week the hijacking occurred. These witnesses are his then-wife Margaret, his good friend Helen Jones, and Jones' oldest daughter, who was fifteen in November 1971.

6) Geestman has claimed he liked Kenny and visited him on his deathbed at the hospital in 1994. But Margaret Geestman and Helen Jones said that he and Kenny had a falling-out in about 1977 after the Geestmans' moved to Oakville. Carolyn Tyner and Robin Powell, Kenny's live-in caretakers at the end of his life, say no one came to visit Kenny except his brother Lyle and his doctor. And Kenny died at home anyway, not in a hospital.

7) Attempt At Bullshit: When confronted about the possible connection between Kenny and the hijacking, Geestman pointed immediately to his ex-wife Margaret as the one who was the accomplice, not him. He said: 'They were thick as theives. They had secrets...' He added that shortly before the time of the hijacking that he came home to Bonney Lake and discovered Kenny was living in the spare bedroom. This was not true. Kenny had his own apartment down in Sumner. He worked for the Geestmans occasionally, but he never lived with them. Helen Jones and Geestman's wife said the same thing.

8) Very Likely a Lie: Geestman has claimed he knows absolutely nothing on how Kenny got his house in Bonney Lake. But property records indicate Kenny bought it from the same couple where Geestman served as the Best Man at the wedding. Although he could be telling the truth here, this is probably a lie for a number of reasons.

9) Damage Control Attempt: I told Geestman during his interview that I would be traveling the next weekend up to Twisp, WA to interview his ex-wife. I asked him if he knew where she lived. (At that time, I didn't know they had lived there together at one time. I thought they had divorced while they lived in Oakville and had only a PO box on her) He said he didn't know exactly where it was. Later, I discovered a well permit issued to the Twisp property with Bernie's name on it, and shortly after that, found out he had been living there when they got divorced. He was perfectly aware of the location of the ranch. It was a good thing I refused his offer. I found out that his last visit to Twisp (it's a few hundred miles from his place in Port Angeles) was to kick down the back door and retrieve some photographs and other items during the time he was getting divorced. This, according to Mrs. Geestman, happened within a month of Kenny's death. When I interviewed her, his wife said that if he ever showed up again, she would come to the door with a shotgun. It's my belief that after Geestman saw some of the early evidence we had on Kenny (when I interviewed him) he wanted to go up there and do damage control before his ex-wife said something he would regret.

10) Attempt at Bullshit: The incident with his sister Dawn. After he was interviewed, Geestman made a phone call down to Fox Island to his sister. There was no 'Blast' book yet, but he demanded that she retract everything she had told me in her interview and to keep her mouth shut. When Marisa Kagan at History Channel called her a few days later, Dawn told her what had happened. Kagan asked her if she was going to retract. She said she was sticking by everything she had said, but would not go on television against her own brother.

There's more...but those are a few examples. Does any of his BS or his lies prove he was involved? No. Do they suggest that maybe the Seattle FBI should bring him in, along with a few other witnesses and question them separately? My opinion is YES. But I'm not the one who decides that stuff. As far as turning loose of the contact information on these people to the public, or to Cooperland, my answer is not a chance in hell. Screened media only, or law enforcement.

This last point is totally subjective, I'll admit. And you can take it with a grain of salt. But when I started letting Geestman look at the copy of Geoff Gray's article, the comparison pictures, and other things that pointed to KC, he turned white as a sheet right there on his front porch. And then he wanted to end the interview. Meh.


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:DPrecisely the BULL I said you would promote!

You are your own worst enemy!

Because the nature to the subject it was YOUR responibility to determine the truth as U used it to attempt to accuse an innocent man of a crime he had NOTHING to do with.

The dishwasher thing was a JOKE, Geestman was telling you this, but U did NOT get it. U were so gullible he just kept it up.

COUNT 1

DID the Senior Executive of Foss Tugs presented U with PROOF what he was saying was true? I surely do NOT think he had the work records from 40 yrs ago & did not personly know Geestman. U didn't even do the math. Detailed employment records from 1971 were NOT available by anyone at Foss Tugs. Perhaps U need to recontact this executive and ask for PROOF. Did you ask for his business card and did he give his name?

COUNT 2.

Foss said Geestman was gone for no more than a week to ten days at a time and then received comparable time off at home. No one from Foss Tugs made that statement.

COUNT 3.
$5000 loan - so what? Geestman is an old man - he may not have remembered arranging the loan. Did U ever see the NOTE? What PROOF do U have there was ever such a loan? Does Kenny's detailed financial affairs show a NOTE to the woman? (surely U checked it out) After all you are accusing the man of a skyjacking.

COUNT 4.
Geestman questioned the loan?
He thought Kenny made good money?
Geestman tossed Kenny odd jobs?
Geestman worked for NWA?

Take the above summaries and add them up - YOU are the one doing the BULLSHITTING!

Geestman approached Kenny for the loan, but he provided odd job for Kenny!
The MORE U talk the deeper U dig yourself in.

COUNT 5.
In an interview Geestman state:
'You're asking me for MY opinion? Yes. He looks exactly like the picture the F.B.I. put out...'

If one DID NOT KNOW the description - height and eye color and complexion one might make that statement above. It was U who later tried to explain away the hair, eyes & height!

COUNT 6.
U do realize that it was probably hunting season for game that wk. Did they take family photos - use those to excuse Geestman from being at home. U have NO proof!

COUNT 7.
Geestman sees Kenny before he died.
What difference does that make. So what is the big deal on that - I am sure there was NOT someone with him 24/7.

COUNT 8
Geestman made the remark regarding his wife and Kenny:

" 'They were thick as theives. They had secrets...' He added that shortly before the time of the hijacking that he came home to Bonney Lake and discovered Kenny was living in the spare bedroom."

ARE U not able to see thru this? Geestman and his wife had differences.
What difference does it make that Kenny spent a few days in the spare room?
Maybe the weather was bad and he spent the night - he wasn't in their bedroom!

COUNT 9

You claimed Kenny bought the house from the same couple Geestman served as best man for in Puyallup. Name the couple and prove this - since it was in the county records you supposedly searched - give the name!

COUNT 10

You didn't know they had lived together in Twisp! Then U did NOT interview all of the people together. Did you ever ATTEMPT to get them all together. IF they were ALL together today - WOULD they tell the same story you have told.
NO NO NO NO!

YOU were PLAYED!
YOU claimed Geestman broke into his wife home BEFORE U interviewed her???
YOU gave the impression they were already separated and divorced! DUH!

COUNT 11

Read your account of of what you said:
It makes NO sense at ALL!

"He was perfectly aware of the location of the ranch. It was a good thing I refused his offer. I found out that his last visit to Twisp (it's a few hundred miles from his place in Port Angeles) was to kick down the back door and retrieve some photographs and other items during the time he was getting divorced."

So you are claiming Geestman and his wife got their divorce AFTER U started all of the interviews and question?

Then U turn around and make this claim:

"This, according to Mrs. Geestman, happened within a month of Kenny's death. When I interviewed her, his wife said that if he ever showed up again, she would come to the door with a shotgun."


So you are saying at the time you interviewed Geestman he was living else where and they got DIVORCED after that and before you went to her home in TWISP!

CLARIFY!

Then you pit Dawn against her own Brother - SOUNDS LIKE TO ME YOU BROKE THIS FAMILY UP with your contrived story! You charmed to old ladies into lies they thought would harm no one.

MAYBE the FBI has already talked to Geestman - and your story is contrived!
You seem to be in contact with no one but the Sister. She just liked having someone come see her - she didn't realize she was getting everyone in a lot of trouble.


:);):ph34r::D:|:oTHIS LAST STATEMENT I QUOTED INTACT:

Blevins stated:
"But when I started letting Geestman look at the copy of Geoff Gray's article, the comparison pictures, and other things that pointed to KC, he turned white as a sheet right there on his front porch. And then he wanted to end the interview."

WELL, I know WHY he WANTED to END the interview and WHY she sold her HOME and went POOF! U destroyed 2 lives with YOUR obcessions! U cannot SEE the truth - U are blind and U did NOT care who you hurt or the FAMILY U destroyed. You showed him Gray's BOOK!

Did U just show him the one page of the composites? NO!
:S;):D:ph34r::o:|B|:$;)
You showed him the pictures in the BOOK! There WAS ONE very small PICTURE OF KENNY in that book!
Barb Dayton was there and so was Weber and McCoy!

U make of that what you WILL! They both disappeared off the face of the earth - POOF! Or so you thought!
Maybe 377 is their Attorney and Porteous is writing the book of the century.:ph34r::ph34r::ph34r::D:D
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Actually...

I keep good notes and try my best to verify or second-source. I may not be perfect, but I try and I'm not stupid no matter what you may have heard. :)
You, on the other hand, have much to say on people you've never actually spoken to and have not met.

Well...found out from Gayla I don't have to work from tomorrow (well, today actually) until next Wednesday. I'm out of here then until at least Monday. Most of my gear is already stacked just inside the garage door. It's been a long winter. I'm off to the hills for a few days. :)


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skyjack71

:DPrecisely the BULL I said you would promote!

You are your own worst enemy!
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Blevins stated:
"But when I started letting Geestman look at the copy of Geoff Gray's article, the comparison pictures, and other things that pointed to KC, he turned white as a sheet right there on his front porch. And then he wanted to end the interview."

WELL, I know WHY he WANTED to END the interview and WHY she sold her HOME and went POOF! U destroyed 2 lives with YOUR obcessions! U cannot SEE the truth - U are blind and U did NOT care who you hurt or the FAMILY U destroyed. You showed him Gray's BOOK!

Did U just show him the one page of the composites? NO!
:S;):D:ph34r::o:|B|:$;)
You showed him the pictures in the BOOK! There WAS ONE very small PICTURE OF KENNY in that book!
Barb Dayton was there and so was Weber and McCoy!

U make of that what you WILL! They both disappeared off the face of the earth - POOF! Or so you thought!
Maybe 377 is their Attorney and Porteous is writing the book of the century.:ph34r::ph34r::ph34r::D:D



Good work Jo! Amazing...

Blevins' quote referring to Gray's article gives himself away when he says: quote Blevins: and other things that pointed to KC,

I've read Gray's article and seen the same photos and I can't find
anywhere where Gray says "and other things that point to KC".
Gray never uses those words in reference to Kenny or makes
such an allegation at all! Those are Blevins' words!

It's just one more critical example of where Blevins puts words and thoughts in other people's minds they never said at all!

Those are Blevins' words and thoughts - not Gray's!

It may very well be it was at this point, Blevins describes above,
where Bernie realised what Blevins was up to, and the full
implication of Blevins' deceits. Blevins even describes it!

quote: " he turned white as a sheet right there on his front porch."

Blevins' attribution to Gray above is just one more deceit.

Blevins never gets anything right because he's always too busy
and compromised with his own deceits!

Shame on Blevins.

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'Good work Jo! Amazing...

Blevins' quote referring to Gray's article gives himself away when he says: quote Blevins: and other things that pointed to KC,

I've read Gray's article and seen the same photos and I can't find
anywhere where Gray says "and other things that point to KC".
Gray never uses those words in reference to Kenny or makes such an allegation at all! Those are Blevins' words!

It's just one more critical example of where Blevins puts words and thoughts in other people's minds they never said at all!

Those are Blevins' words and thoughts - not Gray's!


Hey, guess what Mr Wizard. You are right. I showed Geestman the print copy of Gray's KC article...(wait for it now)

...and then things Skipp Porteous and I had already run up on Christiansen which I printed up for the interview. (wait for it now)

In the file folder I carried...(wait, it's coming to you now)...containing...

The comparison picture, Kenny's final bank statements, Lyle's statement to us, other stuff.

This is what is meant by 'other things that point to KC'.

Not the contents of the Gray article, with which I am quite familiar.

LOL. Get real.

Aren't you being missed somewhere else?


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ParrotheadVol

Were Geestmans lies that bad? He basically said he didn't know KC that well, right?

Personally, if I feel that strongly about someone, I'll take that up with them man to man, face to face.



Robert, this comment was not directed at you, but rather to this Danielle kid who seems to have some very personal issues with Geestman. Sorry, I should have made that clear.

But, I do take issue with the following example you gave of one of Geestmans lies:

5) Geestman was asked on Decoded whether or not he thought Kenny could be the hijacker. He told them this:
'You're asking me for MY opinion? Yes. He looks exactly like the picture the F.B.I. put out...' The problem with this statement is that several good witnesses have already placed Geestman missing - with Christiansen - the entire week the hijacking occurred. These witnesses are his then-wife Margaret, his good friend Helen Jones, and Jones' oldest daughter, who was fifteen in November 1971.

I don't consider this a lie, even if it is true. For this to be a lie, Geestman would have to recall that he was with Kenny on that particular weekend over 40 years ago! If they were hijacking a plane, he probably remembers it. If they were doing normal, innocent activities then he probably does not recall exactly what he was doing and who he was with that particular weekend. You simply can't explain that away with "everybody remembers what they were doing when the a Cooper hijacking was going on". I doubt Geestman does, and I doubt that Margaret and Helen and her daughter do either. I find it amazing that all 3 have such an amazing memory of over 40 years ago, but none of them are aware enough to know that their dear friend, Mr. Christiansen was a DB Cooper "suspect" until you came along asking questions. Something does not add up there. Either way, it's impossible to call Geestman a liar on this point.
"They were saying he was never gonna make it now, now that daylight had set in. But later that night, they were shining those lights back down on that mountain again." - Todd Snider

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RobertMBlevins

***Were Geestmans lies that bad? He basically said he didn't know KC that well, right?

Personally, if I feel that strongly about someone, I'll take that up with them man to man, face to face.



It's not my job to take up Geestman's lies with him. For one thing, none of them have to do with me personally. Second, on some of his lies I didn't find out until later they WERE lies until Skipp Porteous and I did some checking. Some of his statements were not outright lies, but AAB's. (Attempts At Bullshit) I will separate the two on the list.

Even though my comment was not directed at you, your response brings up an interesting question: Why not investigate Geestman and his lies?

After all, your accusation is not that Kenny acted alone, but rather that he and Geestman worked together and that it was even Geestmans idea. So why only investigate one half of the guilty party? It stands to reason that if Geestman was involved, especially if it was his idea, that he would have not done it for free. Have you ever checked his finances? Did he loan out large sums of money, buy a house? If Geestman was involved, there is no way the investigation is complete without a deep long look at Geestman? Why has this not been done? Because he is still alive and can kick back, maybe?

I think it is a fair question. You are, after all, accusing him of not just being an accomplice, but being the master mind behind NORJACK.
"They were saying he was never gonna make it now, now that daylight had set in. But later that night, they were shining those lights back down on that mountain again." - Todd Snider

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