DB Cooper

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skyjack71

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Marla Cooper says she knows who Cooper is.
Jo Weber says she knows who Cooper is.
Galen Cook says he knows who Cooper is.
Paul Geivett says he knows who Cooper is.
etc, etc.

see a pattern anywhere?

Well, ONE does NOT fit the pattern of the others.

Weber:
I knew Duane Weber for 18 yrs and he actually told me he was Dan Cooper and I actually held the damn ticketin my own hands. He took me to locations in WA that ended up being involved in the money find. Duane had a 17 yr past involving crime.


Cook:
None of US know who Cook is touting as Cooper anymore - but his subject is very unlikely...and was on an information expedition when he contacted me yrs before "his subject" was brought to the forefront - a son claiming his father was Cooper. Programs like that - cause claims to crawl out of the wood work. At that time he had another suspect and another one before that. I guess he had to try out his suspects to see which one would fit his story best!

Marla:
She was 8 yrs old and she has made only 2 photos public and never stated the height of her uncle. Sure the FBI would love to get this thing OFF their back - so who knows how they will end it. She claimed the Pic was identified by a subject as being close, BUT that is a BIG BUTT.

OH my JO just be nice! (talking to myself).

Paul G.
I know nothing other than what has been posted on this thread and that AIN't much. The passengers did NOT sign their tickets - THAT is a fact! There is NO handwriting to compare a subject's handwriting specimen to.

If there is an active FBI agent making that claim - well then we need to RE-write history. Himmelsbach and Tosaw both indicated Cooper retrieve his note. There WAS no handwriting specimen for Cooper.

If the FBI actually has one of Cooper's notes, they have kept it TOP SECRET!

I believe: (legal term)
The notes were NOT retrieved, per the stews. The first note was in the handwriting of Richard Floyd McCoy, Jr. and included a greetings to the co-pilot. That note slipped into a briefcase in the cockpit, never to be seen again. Another note was given to a friend in California, and you can look that one up in the records. The facts are all there in plain sight. All you have to do is be able to identify the truth and sort out the misdirection bull. Like anything presented on this forum. Pretty all inclusive, but once in a while Kilroy peeks over the edge of the table. Boogie-boogie! It was so nice without Blevins.

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Jo wrote

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The FBI needs to put it ALL out there and I mean everything they got.

You too Jo. What's good for the goose..

377

2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

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Is this your boat BK?

See attached.

377

2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

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Meanwhile, I will be speaking directly to Kenny's doctor tomorrow afternoon. Once I got his name, I discovered he still lives in the Bonney Lake area and has a very nice home on Lake Tapps. Not sure if he's still practicing medicine, though. Judging from the Google Map pic of his house (large and in exceptional location) and a lack of entries on currently-practicing MD's in WA, I think he's retired. It will be a cold call.

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No you won't. HIPPA. For another, he's not available.

Keep blowing smoke Blevins.

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Jo wrote

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The FBI needs to put it ALL out there and I mean everything they got.

You too Jo. What's good for the goose..

377

The case is closed. They do NOT state how it is closed - solved or unsolved. The statement can be taken many ways.

As Curtis told me "You can put Duane in a chute and you can put him in Wa, but you have to put him on the plane".

I sent them some pictures I have never made public. They acknowledged they had been received this was a couple of months ago and everything is DEAD SILENT. I expect this is probably what they said to the guy who is claiming the case is solved.

Present your proof! Until the FBI lets me know one way or another about the items I sent pictures of - there is nothing I can say.

Remember this - Tina said he did not have jewelry on and according to one statement I read recently in the FBI file she stated he was wearing no ring.

Could there have been a reason she might have thought Cooper should have been wearing a ring. A watch was NOT considered jewelry in 1971.

My children were in grade school in 1971 - they wore NOTHING, but they were too young to need a watch. They had birthstone rings but NOT allowed to wear those and of course children did not wear earings to school in those day.

If someone wants to look up the description Tina gave of Cooper - I believe all she said was that the was NOT wearing a ring. A tie tac was considered jewelry, but standard for men in 1971 wearing ties.

Correct me if I am wrong, but seems like the ring thing was the only reference given to jewerly. We today would include a tie tac and watch in that phrasing. Was there an indication he had worn a ring - like a tan mark? Nothing was said to clarify her remarks (references) regarding jewelry.

You guys can read the accountings easier than I can - see if you can find it? I use my memory and it is NOT alway accurate after 18 yrs of chasing all of this crap.

Also note there has been NO clarification of Tina stating the DL Cooper photo was close. I sent an email with the 2 pictures to the FBI - one of DL and one of Duane that I use as my avatar now. Those two pics of different suspects - sure are close and Duane's appearance in 1977 he had let his hair go gray. The pictures are very similar and why I finally sent it to the FBI. ONLY because of the rumor that Tina claimed DL was close. There is NO acknowledgement from the FBI that Tina made such a statement.

Surgical glue was readily available to anyone working in a dental lab or doing clean up work in a lab in 1970/1971. Duane had access to dental glue. It was considered safe and temporary. This same glue could have been used on his finger tips, but I would have thought that might make it difficult for Cooper to use his fingers to cut the cord, but maybe not.

All I know at this time is that what I am stating is feasible and possible and Duane had access. Also with sideburns and a full head of hair I do NOT even think the glue would have been necessary. I do not know if the formulation for the surgical glue use on small incisions is the same as the glue used in dental labs.

Duane had made a statement about his ears one time during the last 3 months. He had lost lots of weight and his skin have become translucent in appearance. Those of you who have elderly family members who have undergone lots of treatment know the appearance I speak of.

He made a remark that I did NOT clearly understand when I mentioned his ears (just weeks before he died) one day as the sun struck him from his backside sitting with the sliding glass door to his back. I mentioned (without thinking) the translucenty reminding me of Mouse ears. He got riled and told me NEVER TO CALL him MOUSE. I wasn't calling him "Mouse". I only meant that the ears had a pink transluceny at that time (the only time I ever noticed it) - like that of white mice in a lab or on an exaggerated picture put on cards.

Remember - I never thought of his ears as big and this was near the end of his life and he was very thin with tissue paper skin and he was very pale. I have never forgot what I said and it was very insensitive of me and he did NOT take it well. It is one of BOO moments one remembers.

Oh, well! I can only hope he understood the visual effect the sun gave on that day. It was at this time he told me he had had his ears tacked at one time and it being temporary., I never considered his ears big - mine are big for my face - and also more noticeable due to the lost of elasticity of my skin & the fragility that goes with age and illness and the effects of some medications.

Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

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georger

No you won't. HIPPA. For another, he's not available.

Keep blowing smoke Blevins.

Tell me about HIPPA - it stinks. The paperwork is enormous and I have to get actual copies of ALL test results now in order to have a complete file to carry with me to Dr.s. JUST too much loss of time in serious medical situations- I keep my own files.

Get physical copies of every blood test & medical test you have.
(a disk is not sufficient because you might have the pictures and not the results on the disk).

This way when referred to a specialist
you have all pertinent tests regarding your visit to the specialist.

Started doing this when my husband and I lost valuable time in Loma Linda waiting for the test to arrive from Fl - 6 days is expensive when all you are doing is waiting for paperwork, you could have carried with you. Food, car rental, lodging - adds up especially when you have to be there for 6 wks for treatment. Plus flight tickets had to be changed to accommodate the extra wk.

Just a word to the wise to anyone who is to undergo treatment or diagnosis - not available in your area that requires travel. Go prepared for a screw up!

Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

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Jo, I really wish the best for you. I don't always know what I wish, because honestly, any rational person would hope that you would find out that your ex husband was NOT an extortionist who threatened the lives of many innocent people. But, you seem bound and determined to prove that he was just that. Why someone would want their ex spouse to be this person is beyond me. But, the suggestion that Duane actually glued his friggin' ears down is absolutely ludicrous. Much more ludicrous than anything Blevins, Marla, Cook, or Paul has suggested. It actually sounds like something Knoss would say.

"They were saying he was never gonna make it now, now that daylight had set in. But later that night, they were shining those lights back down on that mountain again." - Todd Snider

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getting a death certificate is one thing.

WHO CAN GET COPIES OF MEDICAL RECORDS?

Adult patients may ask for copies of their own medical records.
Parent or legal guardian may ask for copies of their minor child’s medical records.
A person with a legal power of attorney may ask for copies of the medical records of someone named in the power of attorney (for example, wife, husband or partner, a disabled adult).
The legal next of kin may ask for copies of a deceased patient’s medical records.

"It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

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RobertMBlevins

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Meanwhile, I will be speaking directly to Kenny's doctor tomorrow afternoon. Once I got his name, I discovered he still lives in the Bonney Lake area and has a very nice home on Lake Tapps. Not sure if he's still practicing medicine, though. Judging from the Google Map pic of his house (large and in exceptional location) and a lack of entries on currently-practicing MD's in WA, I think he's retired. It will be a cold call.

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No you won't. HIPPA. For another, he's not available.

Keep blowing smoke Blevins.

As you like to say...gotta read the thread. He was no longer at the address I gave, although he was practicing at that clinic. It's been almost twenty years. I made some inquiries, etc. though. It's funny you would say those things, though...since YOU were the one who demanded the information about Kenny's death, correct? Now you're complaining because I tried?

No worries. I've already had every line of his death certificate read to me over the phone. Hard copy will arrive in a few days. You've already said you had 'researchers you trusted' (well, okay) who have seen Kaposi or Karpis or whatever on the death certificate. I was forthcoming with the name of Kenny's doctor, my contacts with the family, talking to one of his last caregivers and what she said etc. You however, have still not produced anything that proves your previous statements, i.e. 'Cooper witness has recently seen pictures of KC and Weber and discounted them as the hijacker,' and 'trusted researchers have seen an entry for Kaposi on Kenny's death certificate'.

I've asked Kenny's family if it's okay to post up a copy of his death certificate at DZ when it arrives. They said yes. I will do so when it reaches me.

Before you quote the Hippocratic Oath about non-disclosure, you should know that Kenny's family is more than willing to sign a release for information. I have asked them. There are also some exceptions to the non-disclosure. A couple are listed below:

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71. There are circumstances in which you should disclose relevant information about a patient who has died, for example:

On death certificates, which you must complete honestly and fully.

When a partner, close relative or friend asks for information about the circumstances of an adult’s death, and you have no reason to believe that the patient would have objected to such a disclosure...'

Say Lyle gets you power of attorney or some-such ...

who will you threaten to sue next?

Geoff Gray if he decides to publish again on KC ?

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All for a guy that's not even DB Cooper but just some guy! ?



Would some rights group sue you for delving into matters that
you have questionable legal rights to delve into?



I mean you have put yourself out there. At what point does Lyle
cut bait with you! ? I have the feeling Lyle is totally irrelevant to
you, but just a convenient temporary excuse for you to bluster
and threaten and claim ... ?


What are you getting out of this pamadgeon you have constructed?

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ParrotheadVol

Jo, I really wish the best for you. I don't always know what I wish, because honestly, any rational person would hope that you would find out that your ex husband was NOT an extortionist who threatened the lives of many innocent people. But, you seem bound and determined to prove that he was just that. Why someone would want their ex spouse to be this person is beyond me. But, the suggestion that Duane actually glued his friggin' ears down is absolutely ludicrous. Much more ludicrous than anything Blevins, Marla, Cook, or Paul has suggested. It actually sounds like something Knoss would say.

I think it has only been Teddy Mayfield & Barbra/Bob Dayton who have been alive while being accused of this crime. I'm amazed at the tactics they will go through trying to run these people through the mud trying to prove that they were part of threatening to blow up a plane with a bunch of people in it. then they will turn around and not disclose certain things out of respect lol. are you kidding me. the way I see it, respect flew out the door the minute you accuse them of this terrible crime. whats worse is they can't speak for themselves.

Jo, I understand you are trying to find out the truth, but, are you really? Duane has given you two different stories, so, it seems he was possibly stretching the truth from get go. he told you he could have been the man on the ground. then turns around and says he was Dan Cooper. if he was on the ground. no prints, no chute, no dream of the stairs etc. where does it end?

I forgot about Peterson & List were alive. (Peterson still) but neither have been dragged thru the mud as much as the others.

"It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

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how exactly do you own rights to what is said about KC. I find this hard to understand. I can understand if something was taken from your book, or if Lyle made statements to someone if he agreed only to legally go thru you. if someone hints to something. you got nothing. I'm confused as to the rights of owning a person. didn't they abolish that over 100 years ago?

"It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

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RobertMBlevins

Georger says in part:

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'Say Lyle gets you power of attorney or some-such ...

who will you threaten to sue next?'

You never answered the questions about your statements, by the way. What about it? You say a Cooper witness recently saw pics of Weber and KC and discounted both as Cooper. You even made quotes on what the witness said. You also said researchers you trust have seen an HIV-related disease listed on Kenny's death certificate. I say that's untrue, and I challenge you to identify your so-called witness.

On the question regarding lawsuits, read the thread. Bruce Smith sent us a copy of his Cooper manuscript. We supported every single line EXCEPT the paragraph where he hints strongly that Kenny Christiansen was a pedophile...and presents no proof, no witness testimony, no evidence.

I told Bruce: If the manuscript is accepted by a publisher, we will object to that allegation to the publisher. Otherwise, we support his work on the book, and his work on the Cooper case completely. There are limits to conjecture and unsupported allegations, and due to the feelings of the family, this is one of them.

So... did the family appoint you legal guardian of "the family
name"? Or is this just a private revelation on your part?

Were you appointed by John the Baptist? You quote celebrities and Thomas Jefferson a lot.

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interesting post by sluggo dated Nov. 1 2010.

"Now… let’s get down to business.

It appears that it is fairly common knowledge (don’t slap me georger, I know that is unsupportable) that Brother Lyle has admitted that he saw the “Unsolved Mysteries” show and thought he could sell a movie story-line by accusing his deceased brother of being DB.

After all… he hired Skipp Porteous of Sherlock Investigations to find a particular movie producer, NOT to prove his brother was DB.

Les Jones reminds us [Here]:
“It's worth mentioning that Lyle Christiansen has a financial motivation in implicating his brother. He came forth with his claims in the context of pitching a movie. There's nothing new under the sun - there are at least two cases where people claimed that their own father killed JFK and tried to land a book or movie deal. As with the new D.B. Cooper suspect the accused were dead when the claim was made. Kenneth Christiansen died in 1994.”

Lyle seems to busy himself by inventing (very useful) things. I have attached a few of his patents. Patents are a very good way to learn (a lot) about people.

Back in February 2007 Lyle called into a radio talk-show [MJ Morning Show] Lyle finally admitted that the only link Ken Christianson had to DB Cooper was "the one that he (Lyle) dreamed up”. He just thought the story would make an interesting movie. Lyle said he couldn't produce any evidence at all that Ken was Cooper. Remember this was in 2007 right after Geoff Gray’s article.

So, knowing this, why have Blevins and Porteous pursued this path. Was Lyle just the luckiest man on earth, one who made up a story out of whole-cloth and a New York detective, not being paid by him, found evidence that the fantasy was, in fact real?

You decide! "

Blevins states in 2010 he had Lyle sign a no-royalties contract.

" Lyle Christiansen signed a contract with us disallowing himself or his family anything but a modest amount that might come for book sales or film rights."

again I'm confused where Blevins has the right to tell people what they can or can not write in there book. I stated before, and will state it again. this is all just a bunch of he said she said crap.

if that isn't enough. the television show Decoded shows briefly a piece of wood in an attic claiming it's a hiding place from decades ago. Producers have been caught in the past staging events. they never really show how any of the area was constructed. the cross member (2x4) appears to be the same age as the house. they never show the other 2x4. they also claimed it was hinged. clearly manufactured for the hype in the show if you ask me. how can this be supporting evidence for anything. if a movie deal was the original intentions, how can one believe anything these people say?

"It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

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mrshutter45

how exactly do you own rights to what is said about KC. I find this hard to understand. I can understand if something was taken from your book, or if Lyle made statements to someone if he agreed only to legally go thru you. if someone hints to something. you got nothing. I'm confused as to the rights of owning a person. didn't they abolish that over 100 years ago?

I'm pretty sure they won't get anywhere. The only thing Blevins has rights to in this particular non-fiction case is actual pictures, documents, and his manuscript - if he owns them and they are used without his permission. Copyright does not protect facts, ideas (just the way they are expressed), titles, names, short phrases. Now I'm not saying that there might not be exclusionary situations but, using the basic facts that I could collect on my own, I'm pretty sure I could write a book about Kenny tomorrow if I wanted. btw......I don't. http://www.copyright.gov/help/faq/faq-protect.html

That aside, I honestly think Bruce has nothing to worry about:

1. If i remember correctly, Bruce's sentence basically just said that KC had troubling relationships with young men. Which - if Geoff Gray's article is true and Blevins points out in one post that there is no reason to believe it is not - KC DID have troubling relationships with young men. So sue me. Nowhere did Bruce mention the "p" word or even hint at it. That is just one guy's read on it.

2. I've posted about the irony of suing someone for libel against a dead guy that you yourself have accused of being a bad man with a bomb threatening to blow people up for money.

3. The mere mention of lawsuits in this case is code for "people aren't paying me enough attention, damn it". To borrow from 377's take on it - Judge rolls her eyes and says "Next". Lawyers go have a drink with each other and laugh all the way to the bank.

4. As 377 has also pointed out, Blevins has no legal standing to sue for defamation of KC, the dead guy.

5. Defamation against dead guy cases have a high failure rate.

6. Just about everything that has been in the recent books has been discussed freely and openly in these threads by Blevins with others - I would think that alone would give shelter to someone being sued.
On the subject of patient confidentiality - even with a dead guy.
.....and I realize this is a moot point since Blevins had the wrong doctor but that's okay because he can get death certificate from other sources.......but for clarification:

As far as I know, the Hippocratic Oath is not a law. HIPAA is. And even if the Oath was legally binding in a civil way, HIPAA would still rule.

PLEASE NOTE - I'm pretty sure the disclosure exclusions that Blevins quoted came from a UK document, NOT the US.... so to be clear, in the US:

If Blevins was to find the real doctor, that doctor CANNOT disclose information about Kenny without a release from his personal representative (executor, administrator, or other person with authority to act on behalf of a deceased individual or the individual's estate). And even then I would imagine that, in order to protect himself, the doctor would only release it to the representative.

As a "general" rule, people that would have to pay the fine if caught are pretty strict with the rules on disclosure.

Like I said... a moot point if he doesn't need to "interview" the doctor --- just wanted to keep the points mentioned rooted in reality.

but....A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on.....Winston Churchill

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egg...sactly....I understand if someone uses his pics or writes something the way Blevins did. I just don't see him intersecting and proof reading the book with his approval before it's released.

as for the Doctor. he seemed very confident he was going to just walk in there and the Doctor would remember everything and spill the beans (*roll eyes*)

then he harps and harps about the witness ID saying no go on KC. didn't another witness come forward already stating none of the known suspects are Cooper? Georger might not be able to release anything further until it comes out. instead, Blevins returns fire constantly with the phrase of "dodging"

yes, here we are again, constantly talking about issues with Blevins. page after page.

"It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

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mrshutter45

egg...sactly....I understand if someone uses his pics or writes something the way Blevins did. I just don't see him intersecting and proof reading the book with his approval before it's released.

as for the Doctor. he seemed very confident he was going to just walk in there and the Doctor would remember everything and spill the beans (*roll eyes*)

then he harps and harps about the witness ID saying no go on KC. didn't another witness come forward already stating none of the known suspects are Cooper? Georger might not be able to release anything further until it comes out. instead, Blevins returns fire constantly with the phrase of "dodging"

yes, here we are again, constantly talking about issues with Blevins. page after page.

Yeah - you're right. In my defense, I had to address "shoot from the hip" quotes that I suspect are totally inaccurate and misleading, such as quoting from a UK document when discussing US patient disclosure rules.

As to reason for death - I agree with Blevins that cause of death -on its face - has nothing to do with cooper. What I'm reading into the whole issue (and I think Blevins doesn't get) is that some feel that Blevins either skipped this part of KC life or barely mentioned it and this omission impacts on the integrity and completeness of Blevin's storyline (in other words - smacks of intellectual/literary dishonesty).

And as to lawsuits..I keep thinking, maybe, one day, Blevins might actually read the posts, realize the obvious, and stop this silly nonsense.

Hmmmm....okay......I get your point
Consider me chastised.

So on to another subject...
Has anyone tried burning any stacks of damp money yet?

but....A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on.....Winston Churchill

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"Has anyone tried burning any stacks of damp money yet?"

lol, not that I'm aware of. has anyone tossed a bundle into a dredge

"It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

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That special blend of 75% cotton and 25% linen must be difficult to find........but doesn't stop folks from trying....

http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2012/05/ff_counterfeiter/3/

http://www.zoklet.net/bbs/showthread.php?p=3313422

and eureka!!!...
http://www.nairaland.com/1036524/cotton-linen-currency-a4-paper

Sshhhh

but....A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on.....Winston Churchill

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Yeah - you're right. In my defense, I had to address "shoot from the hip" quotes that I suspect are totally inaccurate and misleading, such as quoting from a UK document when discussing US patient disclosure rules.

As to reason for death - I agree with Blevins that cause of death -on its face - has nothing to do with cooper. What I'm reading into the whole issue (and I think Blevins doesn't get) is that some feel that Blevins either skipped this part of KC life or barely mentioned it and this omission impacts on the integrity and completeness of Blevin's storyline (in other words - smacks of intellectual/literary dishonesty).

And as to lawsuits..I keep thinking, maybe, one day, Blevins might actually read the posts, realize the obvious, and stop this silly nonsense.

Hmmmm....okay......I get your point
Consider me chastised.

So on to another subject...
Has anyone tried burning any stacks of damp money yet?
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Maybe Blev's posts was Mr Nelder's post - a Brit ?

Ive always said I think RobertMBlevins is a trade name being
used by a group of people at AB Books who posts here under one name.

Why would an American be quoting British Law ? From a British
website or manual?

Call me far fetched ?



Ive long come to the conclusion that "these folks" really don't
care, no matter what RMB says or how much he protests! And
the same for that DECODED crew of nitwits.

The DECODED program might as well have been titled: "WAS
MS. SHELBY A TEACHER OF 3RD GRADE AT PENN ELEMENTARY
REALLY A SASQUATCH, OR A RUSSIAN AGENT !?"

It was DECODED and RMB that opened the door to nonsense.

Geoff Gray was pretty clear about who KC was. Geoff stuck to
basic facts. DECODED comes along and asks, after consulting
with RMB: "Was Kenny Christiansen hiding the Mayflower and
the Titanic Iceberg in his attic!?"

The bit with Geestman looks like they are holding some old man
for ransom in a motel room! You expect to see the FBI and the
County Sheriff breaking in to free the man at any moment -
but that conveniently never happens! The whole program was a
tabloid testimony to just how shabby televised fakery can get.
And it has only gone downhill from there.

None of this has anything to do with the DB Cooper case. Unless
of course DB Cooper was a Sasquatch? All of these people are
well aware of that fact. They are just serving up cheap gruel
for the "wage earner sheeple" (RMB's description of Humanity).

That they would actually parade this stuff publicly ... does not
speak well for public education!

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This has been posted for a while, so everyone has probably already seen it - but I thought was interesting video. Not endorsing the premise or accuracy - just like those that focus on the area/landscape and alternate possibilities.
Actually I'm gonna have to listen again to get it all - the audio effects make for a little distortion - or maybe it's my hearing.
No big deal - just kind of annoying.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7HSQn5V7QcU

but....A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on.....Winston Churchill

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RobertMBlevins

Geoff Gray DID stick to the basic facts on Christiansen, you are right. And nothing he said even HINTS that Kenny had 'troubling relationships' with young men. Gray was quite clear on this, saying Kenny took in runaways occasionally and simply tried to help them out with a bit of money, a place to stay, etc. Nothing else. Gray noted that any relationships Kenny may have had were with ADULTS, not young boys.

Robert -

What part of the quotes excerpted from from Geoff Gray's article are you having a hard time understanding? The part that says "troubled kids and runaways" or the part about life there being "odd", or the parts about Kenny giving teenagers gifts and money, or the part where someone says he felt uncomfortable there?

"Driving around town, she’d sometimes see him with younger men in front of his house, scrubbing down a car with soap or working under the hood. The rumors she heard about him were true: He was taking in troubled kids and runaways. One, she heard, he found sleeping in the town laundromat. Another kid was Kenneth McWilliams, or Mac, who lived with Kenny off and on for twenty years.

“He was an amusing character,” McWilliams says now of Kenny. He describes life in the house as “odd.” There were always other men around, men from the Army whom Kenny knew and had relationships with. “It was uncomfortable to me, because I’m not like that, but not everybody lived in that house at night,” McWilliams says. Living there as a teenager was also liberating. When Kenny came back from Japan or Germany, there were always gifts: expensive food, big bottles of aged sake, ceramic dolls. Kenny never held back financially."

As I've said before - In the 70s, 80s, and 90s, the mother of a young teenage runaway might easily think an older gay man who was "always having other men around" with whom he was "having relationships", giving her teenage son gifts, money, and a place to stay a little "troubling".

You can parse it all you want - but the question is not whether Kenny is guilty of anything other than being a nice guy to kids in need - the question is what Geoff Gray wrote and what a reasonable person might infer from his writing.

You're entitled to your own opinion but not your own facts.
eta: And btw... you did say you would call your lawyer and sue Bruce and the publisher. You also said that you would also encourage nephew Bruce and brother Lyle to sue.

I can re-post your post, but all you have to do is search on suit, posts made by robertmblevins. Pretty easy to find.

but....A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on.....Winston Churchill

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"Already answered. The Decoded show is unscripted and certainly not 'faked,' "

Source, Please.

how do you come to this conclusion? were you there the entire time they filmed. did you go to all the pre show meetings? was you part of the editing. it's my understanding you were not there the day they filmed at Kc's house.

Storage Wars.....
A former star of the reality series “Storage Wars” is suing its producers and the cable network A&E, claiming the show is rigged and he was fired for complaining about it.
David Hester accused A&E and Original Productions of “salting” storage lockers with valuable items and, in some cases, pumping up the drama by funneling cash to 'weaker' teams to buy lockers they couldn't otherwise afford.

Taps/Ghost Hunters....many of there episodes have been questionable. some you can see on YT staging events.

House Hunter, Repo shows. there all under fire. if you don't have excitement, you don't have money coming into the program.

The Bachelor Producer Disses Reality TV, Says Most Shows Are Rigged.

For example, America's Got Talent contestant Tim Poe, a singer from San Antonio--who lied about being injured by a grenade and suffering a brain injury while serving in Afghanistan--insists the show is "rigged" and audiences are coached to support predetermined favorites.

sadly, I can no longer trust any of these shows anymore. it's all about the money. I use to like Ghost Hunters. then money got a hold of them.

"It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

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Already answered. The Decoded show is unscripted and certainly not 'faked,' despite your opinions about it. The Cooper episode was the highest-rated of the entire series run.






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And that (above) is the most troubling aspect of all! I don't care
if was the highest rated tv program since Wizard of Oz, Elvis and
the Moon Landing! Thats just an excuse you rely on...

Supposedly adult highly trained "professionals" wandering around
"Uhhhhh Duhhhh Golly Geeee Uhhh. I wonder if this could be the
place he hid ...." the Cooper ransom or the Corner Stone to the
White House! ???

Geee Golly Geee. I wonder if it could be a uhhh, uhhh, ahhh one
of those uhhh, yep, those cubical rectilinear cubicals you know,
tripod, no triangle, cubical ... like they see at Nasa? I see it did
have hinges. No uhhh, well maybe. The only way in is through
that hole. You have to have a ladder to get up there. Uhhhh...
Yes! I see! You are right! He did say it was an old building, now
converted. You know you copuld hide small things in here. Yep!
I see! I see too! Golly Gee! Yep I see! Me too! But, was there
always a ceiling in there? (Did it have a floor and front door?)
I see! I see too! Yep I see! Me too! .............

Unscripted and certainly not 'faked,'

It was so pregnant with mystery and convincing logic I had to go
out and check to see if my cows were rebuilding the barn, and
installing secret hiding places, suspended from ropes, in the
rafters! Or possibly they have anti-garvity? I want the patent!

You never know. It could be. All very professional.

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The goal of Brad Meltzer’s Decoded, a hokey conspiracy theory investigation show where supposedly serious-minded investigative journalists, dig up very shallow dirt about famous crimes and infamous events. Meltzer and his trio of journalists reveal just how disingenuous they are whenever they wring their hands and warn viewers that the highly speculative insinuations that they’re making could be wrong. They’re almost as bad as Glenn Beck for doing this, propounding wild theories and even emphasizing the dire implications of these theories one minute and then warning viewers not to casually jump to the conclusions that they just leapt to.


http://www.avclub.com/articles/brad-meltzers-decoded,67043/

"It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

[georger 197]

mrshutter45

The goal of Brad Meltzer’s Decoded, a hokey conspiracy theory investigation show where supposedly serious-minded investigative journalists, dig up very shallow dirt about famous crimes and infamous events. Meltzer and his trio of journalists reveal just how disingenuous they are whenever they wring their hands and warn viewers that the highly speculative insinuations that they’re making could be wrong. They’re almost as bad as Glenn Beck for doing this, propounding wild theories and even emphasizing the dire implications of these theories one minute and then warning viewers not to casually jump to the conclusions that they just leapt to.


http://www.avclub.com/articles/brad-meltzers-decoded,67043/

As Bevins once said: 'Its fodder for the "wage earner sheeple".'

Blevins knows what he's doing and so did the Decoded staff.

The work of Tom Kaye and others is a whole light year away
from that! And the difference should be judged accordingly.
And disagreements on that level are a whole other matter
and basically civil in spirit, if not in fact.

It was obvious the Decoded people didn;t have the background
for the inquiry they were making, and how could they!? They had
no one and nothing around them that could provide that
background. Otherwise they would have been on a program with
Geoffrey Gray or Tom Kaye, or Smokin or you or R99 or Sluggo
etc, or someone like that. Then their RATINGS! would have
soared.