Powerful speech by Biden on the assault on Democracy

[ryoder 1,384]

14 minutes ago, riggerrob said:

When Trump was in power, Canadians were busy stacking snow blocks along the border.

I thought they were stacking concrete blocks. I thought they would have finished it by now:

 

[jakee 1,255]

1 hour ago, airdvr said:

Odd behavior from someone who's home has been broken into.

Wait, I thought you’re not saying anything was faked? Grow a fucking spine and say what you fucking think.

 

You have the gall to talk about useful idiots  when you’re doing nothing but spreading conspiracist bollocks? 

[Phil1111 911]

4 hours ago, JoeWeber said:

Might I recommend the Glenfarclas 25? Best value in fine aged scotch there is, in my opinion.

I'll defer to your educated opinion.

[brenthutch 383]

1 hour ago, jakee said:

Wait, I thought you’re not saying anything was faked? Grow a fucking spine and say what you fucking think.

 

You have the gall to talk about useful idiots  when you’re doing nothing but spreading conspiracist bollocks? 

Like Russian collusion?

[billvon 2,400]

21 minutes ago, brenthutch said:

Like Russian collusion?

You mean the conspiracy against the United States that Trump's campaign manager (and a Russian agent) were found guilty of?  Since that is actually a public legal decision, gonna be hard to claim that is "bollocks."  (Unless you've redefined bollocks of course.)

[brenthutch 383]

49 minutes ago, billvon said:

You mean the conspiracy against the United States that Trump's campaign manager (and a Russian agent) were found guilty of?  Since that is actually a public legal decision, gonna be hard to claim that is "bollocks."  (Unless you've redefined bollocks of course.)

I’m still waiting for Trump to be charged. If there was a there, there, Trump would have been in jail a long time ago.

Edited November 5, 2022 by brenthutch

[airdvr 197]

1 hour ago, jakee said:

Wait, I thought you’re not saying anything was faked? Grow a fucking spine and say what you fucking think.

I'm saying I think it's odd behavior by someone who's house has been broken into. Obviously you don't.

[JerryBaumchen 1,048]

17 minutes ago, airdvr said:

I'm saying I think it's odd behavior by someone who's house has been broken into. Obviously you don't.

Hi airdvr,

How is being in the hospital since he was injured considered 'odd behavior?'

Quit with the Trump-style BS & be specific; if you actually can.

Jerry Baumchen

[mistercwood 287]

11 hours ago, airdvr said:

Pelosi's home is recorded by Capital Police.  If there is video of a break-in it ought to be easy enough to see.  The internet is lousy with that type of video.  A simple clip of the perp smashing the windows is all it would take.

Counterpoint - it would be very dumb to publically release that footage from a security perspective, as it would give a future wannabe attacker very useful information about sightlines for the camera.

[JoeWeber 2,299]

5 minutes ago, mistercwood said:

Counterpoint - it would be very dumb to publically release that footage from a security perspective, as it would give a future wannabe attacker very useful information about sightlines for the camera.

Counterpointing airdvr is like choosing which big toe should be scraped free of toe jam first: it's pointless. He pretends to have an affinity for other viewpoints but then reverts to conspiracy theory nonsense at the first opportunity. But don't forget that the discontinuities, failures to grasp the truth of our circumstance, and the consequent insight into the mind of a right wing Ohio real estate agent adds scope and flavor to our discourse. A real win, win.

[gowlerk 1,912]

58 minutes ago, airdvr said:

I'm saying I think it's odd behavior by someone who's house has been broken into. Obviously you don't.

So, no spine. Just cheap innuendo?

[wolfriverjoe 1,340]

On 11/3/2022 at 1:48 PM, ryoder said:

Build the wall! On the Northern border!

 

3 hours ago, riggerrob said:

When Trump was in power, Canadians were busy stacking snow blocks along the border.

Don't forget that early in the 2016 campaign, WI gov Scott Walker started calling for a wall along the Canadian border.

Really.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-34107896

[billvon 2,400]

1 hour ago, brenthutch said:

I’m still waiting for Trump to be charged. If there was a there, there, Trump would have been in jail a long time ago.

His people were charged and found guilty for crimes you claim did not happen.  His campaign manager was convicted of conspiring against the United States with a Russian agent.  It's right there.  That's where the "there" is - in court records.

[billvon 2,400]

4 hours ago, airdvr said:

Odd behavior from someone who's home has been broken into.

So just to be clear - if someone was about to attack you with a hammer, you would turn your back on them?  And if you did not, your behavior would be odd?

[Phil1111 911]

3 hours ago, brenthutch said:

I’m still waiting for Trump to be charged. If there was a there, there, Trump would have been in jail a long time ago.

You and Bill Barr, puppets for trump.

Mueller spent almost 200 pages describing “numerous links between the Russian government and the Trump Campaign.” He found that “a Russian entity carried out a social media campaign that favored presidential candidate Donald J. Trump and disparaged presidential candidate Hillary Clinton.” He also found that “a Russian intelligence service conducted computer-intrusion operations” against the Clinton campaign and then released stolen documents.

While Mueller was unable to establish a conspiracy between members of the Trump campaign and the Russians involved in this activity, he made it clear that “[a] statement that the investigation did not establish particular facts does not mean there was no evidence of those facts.” In fact, Mueller also wrote that the “investigation established that the Russian government perceived it would benefit from a Trump presidency and worked to secure that outcome, and that the Campaign expected it would benefit electorally from information stolen and released through Russian efforts.”

Refusing to testify or answer questions is prima facie. How Bill Barr Turned the Justice Department Into a Cover-up Operation for Trump

trump and the GOP took the US from 18th to 27th on the world corruption rankings.

Edited November 5, 2022 by Phil1111

[olofscience 421]

10 hours ago, airdvr said:

I'm saying I think it's odd behavior by someone who's house has been broken into. Obviously you don't.

I think this is a trolling method called 'sealioning'. Definition at Merriam-Webster

Being too cowardly to make actual accusations supported by evidence, but just continuously and repeatedly pointing out "something odd", or "just asking questions" to draw out a hostile response, then using that hostile response to continue supporting their original argument

[lippy 771]

46 minutes ago, olofscience said:

I think this is a trolling method called 'sealioning'. Definition at Merriam-Webster

Being too cowardly to make actual accusations supported by evidence, but just continuously and repeatedly pointing out "something odd", or "just asking questions" to draw out a hostile response, then using that hostile response to continue supporting their original argument

A subset of ‘sealioning’ known as ‘Tuckering’ is basically just sealioning while looking like you just smelled a nasty fart. 

[airdvr 197]

2 hours ago, olofscience said:

I think this is a trolling method called 'sealioning'. Definition at Merriam-Webster

Being too cowardly to make actual accusations supported by evidence, but just continuously and repeatedly pointing out "something odd", or "just asking questions" to draw out a hostile response, then using that hostile response to continue supporting their original argument

You are correct.  I have no evidence.  What I have is a distrust of all things political.  And this has turned into a political shitshow.

When someone's house has been broken into I think the last thing they would do is move away from LEO towards the perp. Pelosi must have known he had a hammer. If DePape was bent on harming Pelosi why would he wait until the police arrived?  

These are things that make me go hmmm.

Edited November 5, 2022 by airdvr

[airdvr 197]

10 hours ago, billvon said:

So just to be clear - if someone was about to attack you with a hammer, you would turn your back on them?  And if you did not, your behavior would be odd?

That's not the story being told in the video.

[olofscience 421]

23 hours ago, airdvr said:

One thing I've learned over the years (and from raising children)...the more detailed the explanation the more chance there is that it's bullshit.

This is quite the irony, considering you're discarding a simple explanation (that it was just an attack of someone they didn't know) for a more detailed one, which you don't know what it is yet but are desperate to believe.

You discarded the simple explanation (that Epstein killed himself) for a more detailed one (that a shadowy conspiracy assassinated him), so it's not a one-off.

 

So either you're lying in the above, or you're just not self-aware. Or worse, you're lying to yourself.

Edited November 5, 2022 by olofscience

[olofscience 421]

1 hour ago, airdvr said:

These are things that make me go hmmm.

Hmmm goes the sealion...do you actually have anything? Go on, make the accusation.

Edited November 5, 2022 by olofscience

[Phil1111 911]

8 minutes ago, olofscience said:

This is quite the irony, considering you're discarding a simple explanation (that it was just an attack of someone they didn't know) for a more detailed one, which you don't know what it is yet but are desperate to believe.

 

So either you're lying in the above, or you're just not self-aware.

Everyone is being far to hard on him. Just put yourself in the position of a typical Florida republican. You believe the party line. You distrust government. You're inclined to believe conspiracy theory. Because everyone naturally acts to cover up the truth. Only those with skeptical minds will see through such coverups.

Simple.

[airdvr 197]

Let me go on record as saying an attack of this kind troubles me.  The last thing we need is another Oklahoma City.  Still I have questions.  I know you think I'm wrong for asking.  Too bad.  If you think I'm out in the world espousing my beliefs you couldn't be more wrong.  This is the only place I would even consider asking these questions.

The media has such control now that what you end up seeing is their version of the truth. Their truth is designed to sell ad space. I've seen reports that the police arrived after Pelosi was attacked.  That makes more sense to me.

I'd be interested in knowing how the police were notified.  dePape's target was not there.  Clearly it was Nancy.

[airdvr 197]

24 minutes ago, olofscience said:

This is quite the irony, considering you're discarding a simple explanation (that it was just an attack of someone they didn't know) for a more detailed one, which you don't know what it is yet but are desperate to believe.

You discarded the simple explanation (that Epstein killed himself) for a more detailed one (that a shadowy conspiracy assassinated him), so it's not a one-off.

 

So either you're lying in the above, or you're just not self-aware. Or worse, you're lying to yourself.

I wouldn't say I'm desperate.  Not losing any sleep over it.

So in Epstein's case I'm supposed to believe this fantastic chain of events.

When Epstein was placed in the Security Housing Unit (SHU), the jail informed the Justice Department that he would have a cellmate and that a guard would look into the cell every 30 minutes. These procedures were not followed on the night he died.[28] On August 9, Epstein's cellmate was transferred, and no replacement was brought in. The evening of his death, Epstein met with his lawyers, who described him as "upbeat" before being escorted back to the SHU at 7:49 p.m. by guard Tova Noel.[25] CCTV footage shows that the two guards failed to perform the required institutional count at 10:00 p.m. and recorded Noel briefly walking by Epstein's cell at 10:30 p.m., the last time the guards entered the tier where his cell was located.[29] Through the night, in violation of the jail's normal procedure, Epstein was not checked every 30 minutes.[28] The two guards assigned to check his cell overnight, Noel and Michael Thomas, fell asleep at their desk[note 4] for about three hours and later falsified related records.[30][31] Two cameras in front of Epstein's cell also malfunctioned that night.[32] Another camera had footage that was "unusable".[32]

[wolfriverjoe 1,340]

1 hour ago, airdvr said:

You are correct.  I have no evidence.  What I have is a distrust of all things political.  And this has turned into a political shitshow.

When someone's house has been broken into I think the last thing they would do is move away from LEO towards the perp. Pelosi must have known he had a hammer. If DePape was bent on harming Pelosi why would he wait until the police arrived?  

These are things that make me go hmmm.

Bullshit.

You don't know what had happened previously. 
You don't know what was going on in Pelosi's mind.
You don't know a WHOLE LOT about the situation.

(Note: neither do I).

But you are making all sorts of ridiculous assumptions about it.

One of those ridiculous assumptions is that the cops are total idiots.

Do you REALLY think that if it was the setup that you are dancing around that the cops wouldn't have realized it?

This is the same crap as the 'conspiracy fantasists' do.
Despite all the experts (real ones) stating what reality and facts are, fools and idiots think that THEY know the 'real truth', that those experts are ALL involved in a massive coverup to (insert whatever the idiotic conspiracy fantasy is about). 

 

4 minutes ago, airdvr said:

Let me go on record as saying an attack of this kind troubles me.  The last thing we need is another Oklahoma City.  Still I have questions.  I know you think I'm wrong for asking.  Too bad.  If you think I'm out in the world espousing my beliefs you couldn't be more wrong.  This is the only place I would even consider asking these questions.

The media has such control now that what you end up seeing is their version of the truth. Their truth is designed to sell ad space. I've seen reports that the police arrived after Pelosi was attacked.  That makes more sense to me.

I'd be interested in knowing how the police were notified.  dePape's target was not there.  Clearly it was Nancy.

The idea that this parallels the OKC bomb is rather disingenuous.

Tim McVeigh didn't listen to the Republican party and sitting politicians to reach his end position of detonating a very large bomb.

The idea that the media manipulates the truth to that degree is also very foolish.

Don't you get the basic premise that they want to report the truth?
And that they compete to get that truth out?
And that if they get something seriously wrong, the competition will call them out on it?
The idea that the 'media' is a massive conspiracy to tell the narrative that they want you to believe (except for Fox "news") is really stupid.
Why would BBC, Al Jazeera, NHK, and other news agencies all over the world have the same 'manipulative agenda'?

The basic concept is comparing sources, evaluating them on a continuing basis (how many previous stories proved to be true or false?) and exercising critical thinking.

Again, in this case, is there good reason to believe that Pelosi's attacker was radicalized by the Republican lies, chose to attack the house, and was arrested by the cops (who were able to piece together the reality of the situation based on observable evidence)?

Or is it all a false flag operation where Pelosi lured a gay prostitute into his house in order to create the illusion he was attacked (and the cops ALL fell for it)?

You aren't 'asking tough questions'.
You're perpetuating lies.