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3 minutes ago, Westerly said:



Masks are only a piece. They are not the solution in itself. It's several factors at work that allow them to be successful where we are not.

I submit that having direction and policy  set by a leader who is scientifically trained, rather than by a narcissistic reality TV star with a cult following, has a very great deal to do with it.

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23 hours ago, billvon said:

Agreed.  But since some congregations have to happen (food shopping, gas stations, some workplaces etc) masks are our best tool to reduce infection rates in those cases.

Yes but the majority of congregations that do happen dont need to happen. For example, we dont "need" any skydiving operations to be in progress at the moment. There is no legitimate reason why we need to squeeze 21 people in an airplane that normally seats 8 just for entertainment purposes, and then do that like 5x a day every weekend for fun.

Preventing unnecessary gatherings from occurring in the first place is a much superior solution than saying 'we'll just wear a mask and that will make it okay'. Especially when that doesent even exist in the first place. We still are barely even at 50% mask compliance in some regions. In other areas it's more like 0%.

The other issue is we still dont have anyone making real masks that can actually prevent the victim from getting infected. There is one company out of the UK that started making some, but they cannot meet demand. We have a literal global demand for masks that can legitimately protect the wearer--like fully--from getting infected and few are really trying to meet the demand even though the technology to make a mask that can legitimately protect the wearer fully does exist and could easily be scaled to an affordable and compact design that the public can use.

That would be our best holdover until a vaccine is developed. With that type of mask, you could be in close contact with others and not need to worry about getting infected. 

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1 hour ago, kallend said:

I submit that having direction and policy  set by a leader who is scientifically trained, rather than by a narcissistic reality TV star with a cult following, has a very great deal to do with it.

Hi John,

Does not even need to be 'scientifically trained.'  Just someone who would be willing to listen to the real experts; not this 'I am the best' ad infinitum.

Jerry Baumchen

 

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3 hours ago, Westerly said:

Yes but the majority of congregations that do happen dont need to happen. For example, we dont "need" any skydiving operations to be in progress at the moment. There is no legitimate reason why we need to squeeze 21 people in an airplane that normally seats 8 just for entertainment purposes, and then do that like 5x a day every weekend for fun.

Preventing unnecessary gatherings from occurring in the first place is a much superior solution than saying 'we'll just wear a mask and that will make it okay'. Especially when that doesent even exist in the first place. We still are barely even at 50% mask compliance in some regions. In other areas it's more like 0%.

The other issue is we still dont have anyone making real masks that can actually prevent the victim from getting infected. There is one company out of the UK that started making some, but they cannot meet demand. We have a literal global demand for masks that can legitimately protect the wearer--like fully--from getting infected and few are really trying to meet the demand even though the technology to make a mask that can legitimately protect the wearer fully does exist and could easily be scaled to an affordable and compact design that the public can use.

That would be our best holdover until a vaccine is developed. With that type of mask, you could be in close contact with others and not need to worry about getting infected. 

I have to hand it to the DNC - they seemed to do better than the RNC with its rallies.

You are also correct with the skydiving analogy.  We should also force the closing of any tunnel activities along with all recreational or exhibition skydiving immediately.

 

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On 8/28/2020 at 9:29 PM, billvon said:


We had a big protest here a while back in downtown San Diego against masks.  At least five hundred people.  Half of them wore MAGA hats or Trump shirts.

That means half of them didn't.

There are morons on both sides.

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On 8/28/2020 at 9:48 PM, RobertMBlevins said:

 

"Our long national nightmare is over..."

It absolutely won't be over if Biden wins. Getting rid of Trump stops the rot but the Corona virus pandemic will still be going on. The incredible social tensions between whites and blacks, as well as between Democrats & Republicans will STILL be going on. It'll take a generation to resolve those. At least.

The US is so far behind the curve on the coronavirus we'll be dealing with it for years to come, along with the implications of massive unemployment, rising healthcare costs and a tanked economy.

 

The DNC platform of renewables, social reform and healthcare for all is great but how about we hear Biden say 'look folks. You want the truth? We're in the absolute shit. The ship is sinking. We're going to focus our first term on fixing the hull and bailing out all the water that's dragging us under. After that we'll look at painting the rooms, installing solar lights and making sure everyone gets equal pool time.'

 

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The US has been in worse situations than what is happening now. The biggest problem isn't the pandemic (although its bad), unemployment, (been there done that on even bigger levels) and the ship is not sinking. You want to talk about sinking ships try living in Somalia or North Korea. The worst problem is the one that dollars or science can't fix. Hatred. And to rid a country of that, or at least drop it to much lower levels, you need leadership at the top. 

However, the US is a good example of what CAN happen in a very short time if you elect completely irresponsible leadership. It's easier to create negative, then it is to truly lead. 

I never thought Biden was perfect for the job, but right now he's exactly what we need because at least he represents a return to normalcy in the White House. Right now they could film a remake of One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest there and no one would notice anything different from the original. B)

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54 minutes ago, RobertMBlevins said:

 

However, the US is a good example of what CAN happen in a very short time if you elect completely irresponsible leadership. It's easier to create negative, then it is to truly lead. 

 

It's easy to blame everything on the boss, but the reality is most of the blame is much further down the pole. What about the 50 governors out there? Sure some are doing okay, but many, if not most, are not. The mayors of each and every town in America? Any mayor in any town has the authority to enact closures, restrictions, ect. How many actually are? And what about the individual people? Do you really need the president to tell you what precautions to take? Are you not intelligent enough to determine how to avoid getting infected on your own (apparently not for most people)? There is enough blame to go around for everyone and I'd argue the chief cause of this issue is ignorance, laziness, and lack of compassion. People who are not intelligent enough to conduct research on a matter to learn the scientific facts, people who are too lazy to care, people who are so self-centered that they cannot be even slightly inconvenienced even at the risk of another person's life. Ultimately, they are most to blame.

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The single biggest voice in America is undoubtedly the President. He can go on national TV anytime he wishes. Everything he says makes the news. Everything he DOES is an example. I have seen presidents come and go since the time that nun walked into my fourth grade class and told us JFK had been shot. And in my experience, I have never seen a president who has failed the country so miserably as Donald Trump. When historians argue...as they do...on who was the worst president this country has ever had, those arguments will stop and historians will finally agree on who makes the top (or the bottom, depending on how you look at it)...of that list. Some folks say Andrew Johnson was the worst. Others say maybe Herbert Hoover, although I think Hoover gets a bad rap. Those arguments are over. 

You could actually make a case against Trump (although it will never happen) that he could be charged with a couple of hundred thousand counts of manslaughter on a 'depraved indifference' argument. None of our previous presidents have ever come close to something like that. The sooner he is gone, the better off everyone will be. It will take years to repair the damage he has caused domestically, with the economy, and with our closest allies. 

A new attitude has arisen among the populace of some of those allies. They don't hate us. They feel sorry for us. And that's a new one for Americans.  

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2 hours ago, Westerly said:

 Any mayor in any town has the authority to enact closures, restrictions, ect. How many actually are? And what about the individual people? Do you really need the president to tell you what precautions to take? Are you not intelligent enough to determine how to avoid getting infected on your own (apparently not for most people)? There is enough blame to go around for everyone and I'd argue the chief cause of this issue is ignorance, laziness, and lack of compassion.

Couldn't agree more.

I drove around downtown San Diego this morning for over an HOUR looking for a parking spot. Nothin'... The parking lots are full of cars with out-of-state license plates like it's a holiday weekend and the tourist attractions have massive crowds waiting to get in. Mostly not wearing masks.

LA is still shutdown because they have such a high infection rate. So they just jump in the car for a couple of hours and boogie down here for the weekend... Awesome.

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4 hours ago, Westerly said:

 Do you really need the president to tell you what precautions to take? Are you not intelligent enough to determine how to avoid getting infected on your own (apparently not for most people)? 

Correct - people are not.  A gym owner down here bucked the shutdown for weeks, and finally only closed down when he was threatened with a $2500 a day fine.  We still get people screaming themselves silly when they are asked to wear a mask.  We see big parties with no masking or distancing, and bars opening whenever they can get away with it.  To overcome this you need:

1) Local leadership, which many places have
2) Countrywide leadership, which we do not have.

As recently as last week we had a protest down here against wearing masks.  Trump signs and hats were prominent.  

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23 hours ago, billvon said:

 A gym owner down here bucked the shutdown for weeks, and finally only closed down when he was threatened with a $2500 a day fine.

Well that's expected. I dont know why people continuously expect for profit corporations to do the right thing. That is not what they are here for. Companies are designed for only one thing--to make money. Rarely does doing the right thing and doing the profitable thing go hand in hand. Anyone who ever expects any company to do the moral thing is going to find themselves with unrelenting disappointment. Companies, corporations and businesses are the literal last place anyone should be looking to when looking for morals.

Drop zones are no different. There are a huge number of DZs out there that continuously take shortcuts on safety for profits, who break employment laws by paying their employees under illegal 1099 status to avoid having to pay benefits and taxes and who to date still do not have any real COVID protections in place. Why? Because they dont care about their employees or customers. They are there to make money and nothing else. Just because the DZO seems like a cool guy and the DZ is a good place to jump at doesent mean they actually care about you in any respect.

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31 minutes ago, RonD1120 said:

It was never about the virus. It was about the election.

CDC admits that 94% of reported deaths were from other causes.

https://www.oann.com/cdc-accused-of-quietly-modifying-covid-death-stats/

Yes of course Ron. The whole world is suffering and taking precautions and why? It's because all of us are trying to influence Americans to vote for Satan and reject The Lord.

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2 hours ago, RonD1120 said:

It was never about the virus. It was about the election.

CDC admits that 94% of reported deaths were from other causes.

No they didn’t. Your partisan ‘news’ source is lying to you.

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2 hours ago, RonD1120 said:

It was never about the virus. It was about the election.

CDC admits that 94% of reported deaths were from other causes.

https://www.oann.com/cdc-accused-of-quietly-modifying-covid-death-stats/

"Admits" and "accused of" by a proven lying source are NOT the same thing.

Meanwhile, US dismal failure of leadership is apparent in a single chart:

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2 hours ago, RonD1120 said:

It was never about the virus. It was about the election.

CDC admits that 94% of reported deaths were from other causes.

https://www.oann.com/cdc-accused-of-quietly-modifying-covid-death-stats/

Not quite.

6% of the deaths were from ONLY Covid.

94% had 'co-morbidities', which basically means they had issues that contributed to the death. 

In other words, they had medical issues and Covid, combined with those issues is what killed them.
Covid made their asthma, heart conditions, cancer, or what ever a death sentence. 

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On 8/30/2020 at 10:58 AM, Westerly said:


The reason why Germany has a much lower death rate is not just masks. It's masks + social distancing + no massive gatherings + personal responsibility + informed and educated citizens + unified, country-wide oversight and direction + a lot of other stuff that they are doing right.

Masks are only a piece. They are not the solution in itself. It's several factors at work that allow them to be successful where we are not.

Nope. It's the metric system. We stay 2 yards apart and they stay 2 meters apart. Apparently the additional 7 inches is decisive. And that is why we're worse off than everyone else. 

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1 hour ago, JoeWeber said:

Nope. It's the metric system. We stay 2 yards apart and they stay 2 meters apart. Apparently the additional 7 inches is decisive. And that is why we're worse off than everyone else. 

Don't you mean 171.2mm?

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3 hours ago, kallend said:

 

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And even then, it demonstrates the insanity that Ron must believe in to push the 'all about the election' theory his right wing overlords are telling him to.

 

Every other developed nation was grossly exaggerating Covid too. Every other developed nation was locking down their own citizens, ravaging their own economies and disrupting their own societies... so they could help get Joe Biden elected in America. Well ok, that sounds legit!

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9 hours ago, wolfriverjoe said:

Not quite.

6% of the deaths were from ONLY Covid.

94% had 'co-morbidities', which basically means they had issues that contributed to the death. 

In other words, they had medical issues and Covid, combined with those issues is what killed them.
Covid made their asthma, heart conditions, cancer, or what ever a death sentence. 

https://slate.com/technology/2020/09/94-percent-covid19-deaths-not-caused-by-something-else.html

 

Go back to watching Fox News some more. Also, everyone has a preexisting condition. 40% of Americans have hypertension and 65% are overweight with 33% having prediabetes. 

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I figured out a way to beat Covid-19. Well, temporarily anyway. I'm headed out for a few days where there is absolutely NO Covid going and I don't have to wear a mask...and standing six feet away is only your next tree. Driving up to a dead-end Forest Service road at Trap Pass, Olympic Mountains of WA...pretty much the highest spot you can reach in a truck there. Hardly anyone ever goes up there. Will be there for at least five days over Labor Day. Some pictures. 

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On 9/1/2020 at 6:48 AM, RonD1120 said:

It was never about the virus. It was about the election.

CDC admits that 94% of reported deaths were from other causes.

https://www.oann.com/cdc-accused-of-quietly-modifying-covid-death-stats/

Ron's early entry into "Stupid Post of the Month".

 

https://www.factcheck.org/2020/09/cdc-did-not-admit-only-6-of-recorded-deaths-from-covid-19/

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