DJL 232 #1651 September 11, 2019 3 hours ago, wolfriverjoe said: Short term survival takes precedence over long term sustainability. By the time it becomes bad enough to be seriously noticeable, it's too late. This will be the ultimate test of our species. Think of how many other species in the span from amoeba to sentient beings in the universe have blinked out of existence because they couldn't do this. It almost happened to us twice already and on every continent there are plenty of examples of civilizations doing this to themselves. Now here we are doing it on a global scale and we're not acting fast enough because denying it has become a tool used by politicians to get elected. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BIGUN 1,098 #1652 September 11, 2019 35 minutes ago, JerryBaumchen said: Elio is now That's called a CamAm with a lid Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brenthutch 388 #1653 September 11, 2019 If you hit anything bigger than a cicada, in that thing you're done for Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brenthutch 388 #1654 September 11, 2019 1 hour ago, DJL said: exaggerating it has become a tool used by politicians to get elected. FIFY Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DJL 232 #1655 September 11, 2019 32 minutes ago, brenthutch said: FIFY Yup, "The Sky is Falling". Don't let them fool you with all those facts and that science you've used to make your case. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wolfriverjoe 1,366 #1656 September 11, 2019 5 minutes ago, DJL said: Yup, "The Sky is Falling". Don't let them fool you with all those facts and that science you've used to make your case. Well, both sides have lied about it to try to get elected. Among other things. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,466 #1657 September 11, 2019 21 hours ago, brenthutch said: Unless I’m forced to buy an overpriced EV and pay more for electricity, right? Nope. But if you get a solar power system and pay less for electricity, it will help a little bit. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brenthutch 388 #1658 September 12, 2019 (edited) 6 hours ago, billvon said: Nope. But if you get a solar power system and pay less for electricity, it will help a little bit. Quantify “little bit” Just ran an online calculator from a solar installation website. Upfront cost $21,000 (with incentives, AKA taxpayer $$$), twenty year savings $6000. Presumably my savings would drop as efficiently drops as the useful lifespan ends in about 30 years. Full disclosure, I ran the numbers on one of my rentals so there is less than massive rooftop real estate. When I ran my primary residence it said “information unavailable, please contact your local solar panel installer” My primary residence also has several mature trees that block southern exposure, so it looks like solar is not an option for me That said, if the cost were $6000 and the savings were $21,000 I would break out my chainsaw in a heartbeat. Edited September 12, 2019 by brenthutch Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 212 #1659 September 12, 2019 On 8/29/2019 at 11:36 AM, billvon said: That was true 30 years ago of many places up North. Fortunately you're changing the climate, so now they're feeling more at home! Another way Trump is winning. That doesn't seem to be correct. I'm certain there were moszys attacking me when I visited Alaska in the early to mid 70's. Like epidemic kinda shit - even then. Here is an article I found while searching that backs that up - https://www.adn.com/wildlife/article/bloodletting-worsens-during-alaskas-legendary-mosquito-infestation/2013/07/01/ Quote That knowledge comes courtesy of a gutsy scientist named Richard Gorham, who in 1975 rolled up a sleeve and bared a forearm during a summer day on the Arctic tundra. The whining critters peppered him 435 times in five minutes. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DJL 232 #1660 September 13, 2019 (edited) On 9/12/2019 at 12:49 AM, turtlespeed said: That doesn't seem to be correct. The graphic is a depiction of the number of months that mosquitos could transmit aedes aegypti. I agree that the header is misleading. Edited September 13, 2019 by DJL Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,466 #1661 September 13, 2019 On 9/11/2019 at 9:49 PM, turtlespeed said: That doesn't seem to be correct. I'm certain there were moszys attacking me when I visited Alaska in the early to mid 70's. As they were attacking me in the 1990's in Wasilla. But note that the image isn't "places where there are mosquitoes" - the image shows the number of months out of a year that allow disease transmission via mosquito. As it gets warmer, they are increasing. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,150 #1662 September 13, 2019 1 hour ago, DJL said: The graphic is a depiction of the number of months that mosquitos could transmit aedes aegypti. I agree that the header is misleading. That is not what the graphic is displaying. 1 hour ago, billvon said: But note that the image isn't "places where there are mosquitoes" - the image shows the number of months out of a year that allow disease transmission via mosquito. That is closer, but also not entirely true, because they are referencing a specific mosquito. Hence why Brenthutch's statements around malaria aren't correct. This type of mosquito doesn't spread malaria. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coreece 190 #1663 September 13, 2019 2 hours ago, DJL said: On 9/12/2019 at 4:49 AM, turtlespeed said: On 8/29/2019 at 4:36 PM, billvon said: That doesn't seem to be correct. The graphic is a depiction of the number of months that mosquitos could transmit aedes aegypti. I agree that the header is misleading. Technology: I wonder if they work on anti-vaxxers? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brenthutch 388 #1664 September 14, 2019 (edited) 3 hours ago, SkyDekker said: That is not what the graphic is displaying. That is closer, but also not entirely true, because they are referencing a specific mosquito. Hence why Brenthutch's statements around malaria aren't correct. This type of mosquito doesn't spread malaria. Malaria deaths: 1,000,000+ Yellow fever deaths: 30,000 It just goes to show how desperate global warming alarmists are. They have to resort to misleading headlines and hyping a hypothetical non-problem. Edited September 14, 2019 by brenthutch Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
headoverheels 292 #1665 September 14, 2019 Zika, dengue, chikungunya and yellow fever are transmitted by this type of mosquito. Of course, if those diseases don't exist (yet) in an area, they cannot be transmitted, mosquitoes or not. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bigfalls 110 #1666 September 15, 2019 It has come to my attention that the "Green New Deal" may refer to those who came up with it. Youth and inexperience Green the color most commonly associated in Europe and the United States with youth. It also often is used to describe anyone young, inexperienced, probably by the analogy to immature and unripe fruit.[64][65][c] Examples include green cheese, a term for a fresh, unaged cheese, and greenhorn, an inexperienced person. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,150 #1667 September 16, 2019 On 9/13/2019 at 6:26 PM, brenthutch said: Malaria deaths: 1,000,000+ Yellow fever deaths: 30,000 It just goes to show how desperate global warming alarmists are. They have to resort to misleading headlines and hyping a hypothetical non-problem. Since the 80s yellow fever has been spreading. Part of the reason for that is due to a warming of the global climate. This graph outlined how that would continue. Nothing misleading about that, all pretty clearly labeled. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brenthutch 388 #1668 September 16, 2019 (edited) 55 minutes ago, SkyDekker said: Since the 80s yellow fever has been spreading. Part of the reason for that is due to a warming of the global climate. This graph outlined how that would continue. Nothing misleading about that, all pretty clearly labeled. The actual label said “Mosquitos Habit: Current & Projected”. The label doesn't specify a particular mosquito. So yes, it is misleading. Edited September 16, 2019 by brenthutch Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DJL 232 #1669 September 16, 2019 50 minutes ago, brenthutch said: The actual label said “Mosquitos Habit: Current & Projected”. The label doesn't specify a particular mosquito. So yes, it is misleading. I guess for people who only read the first 5 words of any article (the headline) that makes sense. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,150 #1670 September 16, 2019 2 hours ago, brenthutch said: The actual label said “Mosquitos Habit: Current & Projected”. The label doesn't specify a particular mosquito. So yes, it is misleading. There are only 34 words on that graph. If that is too much for you, I don't think any further conversation is going to change anything. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Stumpy 256 #1671 September 16, 2019 1 hour ago, SkyDekker said: There are only 34 words on that graph. If that is too much for you, I don't think any further conversation is going to change anything. I'm amused you actually counted the words Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brenthutch 388 #1672 September 17, 2019 Wake me up when yellow fever becomes more than click bait for the uninformed. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JoeWeber 2,341 #1673 September 17, 2019 26 minutes ago, brenthutch said: Wake me up when yellow fever becomes more than click bait for the uninformed. No thanks, I like you better asleep. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brenthutch 388 #1674 September 17, 2019 Most Americans not willing to pay $2 a month to stop climate change https://www.washingtonpost.com/climate-environment/americans-increasingly-see-climate-change-as-a-crisis-poll-shows/2019/09/12/74234db0-cd2a-11e9-87fa-8501a456c003_story.html?noredirect=on Looks like GND now stands for Green Not-going-to-happen Dream Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DJL 232 #1675 September 17, 2019 1 hour ago, brenthutch said: Most Americans not willing to pay $2 a month to stop climate change https://www.washingtonpost.com/climate-environment/americans-increasingly-see-climate-change-as-a-crisis-poll-shows/2019/09/12/74234db0-cd2a-11e9-87fa-8501a456c003_story.html?noredirect=on Looks like GND now stands for Green Not-going-to-happen Dream I voluntarily pay an additional $5 per billing cycle for my power company to develop renewables, I don't really care that it's likely a greenwash bit of bullshit. True, people don't want to pay more money, not really a mystery, it's always someone eles's problem: "Instead, clear majorities say they would prefer that climate initiatives be funded by increasing the taxes on wealthy households and on companies that burn fossil fuels." This is the typical uninformed BS you'll see, that wealthy people and corporations need to pay for it. The fact is that everyone was benefiting from low cost power, whether it be coal power plants or gasoline engines so we ALL need to pay for it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites