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I would say that average is high considering the different jumps that we have going on. Tracking, big ways, two ways, coaching, flocking, point building, etc. If you added them up and then divided it, the average would be about 5500 feet.

Yeah, no prob with the download. If that is just the trailer, I can't wait to see the full version. Looks like really good quality footage.

Somebody MODERATE please. This belongs (borderline) in the "Talk Back" forum. Sheesh.

Jacklyn Smith - Dark long haired one from Charlies Angels. NO QUESTION.

May I make a suggested correction to your statement. Any derogatory opinions aside: I think that only three people thought it that the D-license was valuable enough to make the effort to train and pass it. Let's face it, what meritocrocy does the "AD-D" really support? This ongoing debate is to determine the need for a license at all; as well as coming up with a better system if one is useful. I think that the "AD" lacks a constitutional purpose - THAT IS THE POINT. Levin has brought up some pretty valid arguements for the usefullness of such a system. You also mentioned that the test is "pricey". I agree with this point 100%. But would it be pricey if it was more applicable? In other words, what is the cost benefit for the system in place now? to answer: About $100 per license (I paid about that much for my A). This was suppose to allow me to compete in the space games whenever it was going on. Have they made an effort to spread the First School nationally and involve all qualified freeflyers and dropzones for the better... I would have to say that I have not seen this. The good thing that I've heard that my AD-A got my name printed on a web page somewhere and, that with about $3.85 + tax, I can get a large Frappucino at Starbucks.

I'm terrible at understanding and being with people who do not want to communicate. Impractical and unethical behavior confuses me too. My brain like short-circuits or something. LOL

Anything that I put my heart and mind to - together.

If a person goes from flat to a 45-degree angle, that is from ___ to \ the acceleration on the horizontal plane to terminal velocity, this would not be as quick as the transition from this | to \. This is what I meant by the speed of movement in the sky from head down to a track. It isn't the terminal velocity that changes, it is the amount of time (speed) at which terminal velocity is acquired. Therefore, initially, head down allows for a quicker acceleration rate on the horizontal plane. This is all that I meant.

This is actually a very interesting question. I couldn't possibly speculate on which one is more "efficient". In this case, it is like comparing apples to oranges. The reaction of the air is very different when you compare the two different speeds. In a back-track, some freeflyers can take it down as low as 100mph and cover a # of miles during one skydive. At the same time, in the head-down position, your acceleration is faster because of the speed of the relative wind. I would argue that a freeflyer moving forward could pick up a lot of speed also. Not really sure what the ratio would be in comparison, but the acceleration factor will definitely max it out if moving forward in a HD then immediately going to a back-track. Remember the difference in wind resistance from 100mph to 200mph isn't doubled, it's squared. In other words: If wind resistance at 100mph is 5lbs, then, wind resistance at 200mph is NOT 10lbs, it's actually 5² or 25lbs. This is why freeflying allow's for such versatility. And given the "versatility" of the sport, I would argue that (in one skydive) you could cover much more ground (or AIR in this case). LOL =8^)

Oakley Jaclets - Chrome frame w/ Fire Lenses

Johan, you are speculating. Freeflying may have come about if Olav was not around. Considering someone else (Anyone Else) to be a "god" is a bit strange too. People were getting good at flying in several different body positions, not just belly, when Olav wasn't even jumping yet. That is a strange outlook that you have about one person.

Hey cutaway1, hit the key one more time.

"How do you breath while in freefall?" Well, you fall so fast that your skin absorbs the O2.

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That is facetiousness at its finest. I like it. Bottom line, I think this is a successful attitude to have. I also liked your response to the other comment regarding the license system being "OURS" (as freeflyers). Levin, I truly believe that this is what our sport needs. If you need any of my help from Crosskeys, just let me know. Ball tests aren't exactly encouraged out here; although, the first test would be do-able and I would be glad to talk to Timmy, Stuey, and Adam about it so that we ALL can begin promoting the system when it's ready. Perhaps more brainstorming would be needed for what is included in the test. Don't get me wrong, I think that the ideas you've come up with are quite acceptable, but maybe we (as freeflyers - if, at minimum, just the freeflyers on this forum) should ALL agree on the curriculum of the test and the purpose of the license itself. Having a core mission statement would help the focus of the system and, at the same time, make it clear to everyone why it is such a good idea. Which brings me to my next point: I think that the mission statement should also include what you said here: "...The new license system helps promote freeflyers.com on a much greater scale, we can’t promote a nationally recognized license on a website dedicated to one particular state." With maybe an added part about the need for the web page and the system itself. You've got my vote dude. Does anybody really care? Personally I don’t think the world-class freeflying population does. Is the benefit to safety worth the possible risk of occasionally alienating new jumpers that don’t have a license? Is having a system that recognizes personal achievement worth the added bureaucratic b.s. and politics that it could potentially create (I think the absence of a numbering system will cure that)? So what do yall think? Is this project worth the trouble? *** Well worth the trouble. Please send me an email if I can do anything to help. Kudos. -Blue Sky's - David Colucci . . . . .

I agree with you on all points except for the D (Pro) test. It isn't quite clear to me why we need to prove this level of skill. I can't think of anywhere, other than the Space Games, where such notification would be necessary. Only three people have been able to pass the D test. And as freeflyers, of course we ALL respect them for being able to accomplish this level of maneuvering in the sky. However, since only three freeflyers in the world have done this since the tests have been around (what?, like 6 years now), I think that the "D" test is less like a license and more like a competition (or proof of being a freefly god). If the testing is about safety in the air, then I do not think that (1) flying with two sky-balls coupled with (2) being able to transition on every axis is the best way to demonstrate this. There are a limited number of situations where this type of dynamic flying would be useful. Levin's point about being able to prove the ability to carve and fly down a tube is very good. After all, I truly think the test should be about saftey. But if this is also a TRUE test of FREEFLIGHT, what about head up flying too? The license should be able to speak for itself. We should be able to walk up to someone, learn there license level (that is - if they have one), and immediately be knowledgable about how many freeflyers they should fly with on a skydive | or where to place them in a slot. It is about safety. Can they fly down a tube? Will they cork on their head or their feet? Can they move around from slot-to-slot intentionally, side sliding, backward and forward movement, faster and slower movement, turning 180-degrees and tracking away on their back? Given ALL of these points, perhaps a "C" and "D" test are both necessary. Although, at minimum, it should include proving proficiency on your feet as well your head. Based on these points, my suggestions are the following: The "C" should include two transitions on your head then one transition on your feet. At the end of the dive, turning 180 and tracking away on your back is a requirement. Corking in anyway is prohibited. The "D" should be similar except that it could include more transitions on feet and some stand up carving as well. Again, corking in anyway is a failure. I also really liked this part from Levin too: I think that this part is the most important. It provides the vehicle to universalize the testing system. However... ...I see NO reason to give rights to Olav for the system. Anyone can dream this up and make it a reality. I think the proceeds should go to a not-for-profit organization that travels around the US promoting freeflying with boogies, free organizing, inexpensive coaching, medium-to-big way camps, film festivals, competitions, etc. etc. etc.

two words: VERY COOL!

http://www.boneheadcomposites.com/gunner.htm Linky linky

Here's the clicky clicky ones: http://www.koyn.com/CloudDancer/articles/vrwref.html With a nice/funny shot of Timmy in this one... http://www.bpa.org.uk/skydive/pages/articles/aug00/headupflying.htm http://www.bpa.org.uk/skydive/pages/articles/apr98/headdown.htm

Some guy POKED me in the stomach with his index finger in math class. All was quiet until I farted when he poked me. Of course, there was a girl in that class that I liked. Oh well.

Sent the file to you, via email, as .DOC. Enjoy.

Actually, it's: THE FREEFLY™ LICENSE ATMOSPHERE DOLPHIN TEST (The First human flight performance test)

We've got one of our famous Monkey Claw Jams coming up this weekend. Think that it is called the "Chicks JAM"; considering it is called that, there will probably be more dudes at the DZ than anything. Either way it should be a blast. If you plan to come along, look me up when you get there so we can make a jump or two or three... WOOOHHOOO!!!! For those of you who aren't going to make it out to the Richmond Boogie, and Crosskeys is a little closer, you should really consider it. There is entertainment and organizing by Monkey Claw.

Yeah, what SHE said! Send more buttsmooch toward bella! He's got the pioneering respect; a few years ago, I just saw the potential of the sport being more of a unity by now... Multiple/Localized space games, making the dolphin part of uspa, etc. etc. For some reason, I expected the First School of MSF and the rest of the "Clowns" to take it there. HEHEHEE That is what I get for expecting a group with the name "CLOWNS" to do something. LOL

Thanks Angela. Actually, I was not referring to your advice. It was pretty good. The moving excuse worked; but you're right, there was a pause when I told him it was a friend and not a relative. Very Keen of you.