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1 hour ago, RobertMBlevins said:

Well...packing is generally done for the upcoming trip..(funny I have to justify everything I do for certain people) so I think we are faced with a conundrum here. When I interviewed Hayden (almost two hours) HE said Cooper used the NB6/8 to jump and that it belonged to him. Said the other main was returned to him, the one now housed at the WA State History Museum. Why would he lie about that? He had no motivation to lie and wasn't looking for notoriety. Very unassuming guy. 

Cossey 'claimed' he sent chute(s) from his house. Is there a verification on this in FBI files that someone contacted him in that 3-hour (or so) window on the ground and actually went to his house in Woodinville? Remember....Cossey has told media previously he owned Cooper chutes but this claim has not been proven, and has been actively disputed. He is known to have lied to media regarding the Amboy chute find in 2008, and said it was a joke. The basic record says the cops were dispatched to pick up and deliver both the money, and two chutes from Sky Sports. The Detlor report doesn't mention a fifth chute and only refers to Cossey as the guy who packed the chutes, and that he could ID them if necessary. 

Despite possibly incorrect serial number recordings by the Reno agents...how many chutes were physically present on the plane when it landed in Reno? We know the non working reserve was missing. If you say 'two chutes were found, but one was opened,' then the Detlor report is most likely accurate. I understand that you have said that ONE chute was not taken to the jet by the FBI in Seattle...and that is how you account for the fifth chute delivered to Sea Tac. If this is so, why would the FBI hold onto that chute for years if it never reached the hijacker? There are many questions here. 

When presentations or releases of evidence have been made by the FBI to the public, or the physical evidence being released to Citizen Sleuths, nothing has ever been mentioned regarding a fifth parachute. There have been hundreds of news articles, a dozen TV shows, several good books done on Cooper. None of them mentioned one chute brought to Sea Tac but not given to Cooper. 

There is also something else, something that Hayden would have no reason to invent because he had already gotten his chute back from the FBI:  Hayden told me that the two chutes he provided to Northwest Airlines were done on a rental arrangement, and that he was paid for that rental by the airline. He also confirmed that the Detlor report on the chutes was accurate, at least the part describing the two he owned. He had no information on the ones from Sky Sports other than what he read in the paper. And this may not mean anything, but he was not a fan of Earl Cossey. He wouldn't elaborate much on that, but I got the idea he was in dispute with Cossey regarding the chute Cooper actually jumped with. 

On a side note, Hayden said that he bought both of his chutes from the same place at the same time and never had any intention of using either one. Says he basically bought the cheapest working chutes he could find that would pass the new sport flying rule, but would never have jumped from a plane. Says he would have tried to crash land before doing that. 

If your theory is based even partially on honesty between Hayden and Cossey, I have to believe Hayden's version of events. 

Have you submitted this theory to Bruce Smith? There is no love lost between us, but he is pretty familiar with the chute circumstances and has interviewed Norman Hayden in person. My interview was two phone calls over a two day period. If not Smith, anyone else with a good familiarity on this subject? I would like to hear other opinions on this question. 

You seem to not have a full grasp of this..

read Bruce's article.. even Hayden wonders if they procured two back chutes from Cossey and his two.

https://themountainnewswa.net/2011/10/25/db-cooper-case-heats-up-again-with-controversy-over-parachutes/

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I have seen that article and read it previously. If you are asking which version of events comes closest to the truth, I'm going with Norman Hayden every time. Hayden had no motivation to lie about anything, and the fact he couldn't remember one or two small points after forty plus years could be moot. Cossey, on the other hand, has been known to lie to the media occasionally. Hayden's the guy who didn't take advantage, and generously donated his chute to the WA State History Museum. Cossey is the guy who liked to jack the media around occasionally. It was a judgment call on my part. 

Tell you the truth, I don't know if it will EVER be sorted out completely. One thing about Bruce's articles is that he will sometimes admit, 'Well...the documents from the FBI support that...' and then go off on a conspiracy tangent trying to explain why it may not actually work. He's hard to gauge, although he was doing better work ten years ago I think. 

If there's one thing I DO know...it's time for a vacation:) I can't wait to bail town on Thursday. Too much work, too much of everything, time to actually PRODUCE something while I am out there in the wilderness. 

My official announcement on this project was made public at Quora and other sites today. You can find it HERE

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7 hours ago, RobertMBlevins said:

I have seen that article and read it previously. If you are asking which version of events comes closest to the truth, I'm going with Norman Hayden every time. Hayden had no motivation to lie about anything, and the fact he couldn't remember one or two small points after forty plus years could be moot. Cossey, on the other hand, has been known to lie to the media occasionally. Hayden's the guy who didn't take advantage, and generously donated his chute to the WA State History Museum. Cossey is the guy who liked to jack the media around occasionally. It was a judgment call on my part. 

Tell you the truth, I don't know if it will EVER be sorted out completely. One thing about Bruce's articles is that he will sometimes admit, 'Well...the documents from the FBI support that...' and then go off on a conspiracy tangent trying to explain why it may not actually work. He's hard to gauge, although he was doing better work ten years ago I think. 

If there's one thing I DO know...it's time for a vacation:) I can't wait to bail town on Thursday. Too much work, too much of everything, time to actually PRODUCE something while I am out there in the wilderness. 

My official announcement on this project was made public at Quora and other sites today. You can find it HERE

You haven't grasped the subject. 

You have created a strawman. There is no contention Hayden is lying.

 

 

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I'm not sure what you mean by the strawman reference. Hayden absolutely claims he owned the chute Cooper jumped with, as well as the one that went to the WA St History Museum. Both he and Cossey cannot be right. Assuming that Hayden did NOT own the pink parachute, the one that was popped for the cord, then that would leave a fifth parachute somewhere unaccounted for. And he would have requested that be returned to him as well. 

Side Note:  Years ago, I made a minor reference to a local TV news broadcast quoting the Justice Department in Seattle. The JD had chastised the King County Sheriffs Office for their poor record in solving what they called 'major cases'. One of these cases was the murder of Earl Cossey. 

Seems like the KCSO is STILL having issues.

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Rather than quoting over whole sections with a music video, why don't you fill in the blanks from this list below. Maybe this will explain your position better. Just name where the chute came from, how it was used, and where is it now. 

Chute 1:  Chute Cooper jumped with.

Chute 2: Non working reserve chute. Not found. Certified missing from aircraft.

Chute 3: Pink belly pack reserve chute investigated by Citizen Sleuths. (Disposition known. FBI still in possession.)

Chute 4: Backpack chute belonging to Hayden, now in museum. 

Chute 5: Unaccounted for, disposition unknown. 

Before you answer, or try to explain these chutes, remember something. Basically, you are agreeing that Hayden owned two of the chutes, okay. And we know only one was returned to him, okay. If Hayden owned a second chute that was NOT used by the hijacker...then WHY would he not ask for it to be returned as well? His main point with the FBI in his request that his chute be returned (and it was a successful request) was that the chutes were merely a rental to Northwest Airlines. So why didn't he ask for both chutes back? 

From the Deseret News article, December 2007, interview with FBI Agent Larry Carr:

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'The hijacker demanded four parachutes (two backpacks, the main chutes; and two chest packs, which were reserves) but did not specify models suited for such a risky venture. He left one main and one reserve chute on the plane.

The next day, Earl Cossey, an instructor at a nearby sky-diving school that supplied the chest chutes, realized that one of them — marked with an X — was used only for classroom demonstrations...'

 

Do you see the problem here? Cossey claims he provided chutes himself, but doesn't realize the non working reserve had been given out by Sky Sports until the next day. 

Also...the article states it was Sky Sports, and NOT Cossey who supplied the chest packs. 

The FBI report by Detlor matches this story, saying two mains came from Hayden, two reserves from Sky Sports. There is no mention of anyone going to Cossey that night for chutes. NONE. 

The one thing I would try to find out is if Cossey was an instructor...(this is where other instructors, or anyone who knew Cossey personally would help) is whether it is more likely that an instructor at a dropzone would keep his personal jump gear stored at the DZ, rather than at his home. In any case, there just isn't a bit of evidence to support a fifth parachute going to Sea Tac that night. And if there WAS a fifth chute, and it wasn't used, why didn't Hayden ask for it to be returned? What you might be looking at here is a bad reference to a number by some Reno FBI agents who wouldn't know a parachute from a big tent. 

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12 hours ago, RobertMBlevins said:

Rather than quoting over whole sections with a music video, why don't you fill in the blanks from this list below. Maybe this will explain your position better. Just name where the chute came from, how it was used, and where is it now. 

Chute 1:  Chute Cooper jumped with.

Chute 2: Non working reserve chute. Not found. Certified missing from aircraft.

Chute 3: Pink belly pack reserve chute investigated by Citizen Sleuths. (Disposition known. FBI still in possession.)

Chute 4: Backpack chute belonging to Hayden, now in museum. 

Chute 5: Unaccounted for, disposition unknown. 

Before you answer, or try to explain these chutes, remember something. Basically, you are agreeing that Hayden owned two of the chutes, okay. And we know only one was returned to him, okay. If Hayden owned a second chute that was NOT used by the hijacker...then WHY would he not ask for it to be returned as well? His main point with the FBI in his request that his chute be returned (and it was a successful request) was that the chutes were merely a rental to Northwest Airlines. So why didn't he ask for both chutes back? 

From the Deseret News article, December 2007, interview with FBI Agent Larry Carr:

Do you see the problem here? Cossey claims he provided chutes himself, but doesn't realize the non working reserve had been given out by Sky Sports until the next day. 

Also...the article states it was Sky Sports, and NOT Cossey who supplied the chest packs. 

The FBI report by Detlor matches this story, saying two mains came from Hayden, two reserves from Sky Sports. There is no mention of anyone going to Cossey that night for chutes. NONE. 

The one thing I would try to find out is if Cossey was an instructor...(this is where other instructors, or anyone who knew Cossey personally would help) is whether it is more likely that an instructor at a dropzone would keep his personal jump gear stored at the DZ, rather than at his home. In any case, there just isn't a bit of evidence to support a fifth parachute going to Sea Tac that night. And if there WAS a fifth chute, and it wasn't used, why didn't Hayden ask for it to be returned? What you might be looking at here is a bad reference to a number by some Reno FBI agents who wouldn't know a parachute from a big tent. 

You have this all mixed up,

 

The two front chutes from Issaquah are irrelevant. You continue to conflate the front and back chutes.. even though I have explained it. Hayden's opinion is irrelevant. Cossey's opinion is irrelevant. They both made reasonable assumptions with the info they had, those assumptions are not facts. You are using Hayden's assumption as a fact.

 

Last time..

Ignore the two front chutes from Issaquah. They went on the plane and there is no dispute with them. We are only concerned with the back chutes.

Two similar back chutes were sent from Hayden. Both packed by Cossey the same date.

1) Packed by Cossey May 21/71 manufactured 1960 S/N 60-9707. This was left on the plane confirmed by card found in chute.

2) Packed by Cossey May 21/71 manufactured 1957 S/N 226. Confirmed by packing card. This was returned to Hayden then went to museum.

 

If we have both of Hayden's chute accounted for then Cooper took another back chute.

 

The FBI described the the chutes that went to the plane and only ONE matches Hayden's, the other is the NB6/8 that matches Cossey's chute.

 

What happened,,,

Hayden sent in two similar back chutes.

Cossey sent in two back chutes from his home. (not the front ones)

 

They grabbed one from Hayden and one of Cossey's and forwarded to the plane. This may have been intentional or a legitimate mix up??

Hayden's chute (S/N 60-9707) was left by Cooper and Cossey's NB6/8 was taken.

The other Hayden chute (S/N 226) sent in but was not forwarded to the plane was returned to him.

The other chute Cossey sent in but was not forwarded to the plane was returned to him.

 

Once you get this then read Bruce's article everything makes sense.

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'Hayden's chute (S/N 60-9707) was left by Cooper and Cossey's NB6/8 was taken.

The other Hayden chute (S/N 226) sent in but was not forwarded to the plane was returned to him.

The other chute Cossey sent in but was not forwarded to the plane was returned to him.'

 

If NEITHER of Hayden's chutes were used, and we already know the FBI has only ONE chute currently in their possession, (the pink parachute)...

Then why didn't Hayden ask for BOTH of his chutes to be returned? In his interview, he claimed Cooper used one of his chutes and the other was returned. He was pretty adamant about having that chute returned to him. Why would he just ignore the other? 

Either Cossey was lying, or Hayden was lying. Now you are claiming that a total of SIX parachutes were actually sent to SeaTac, but only four went to the plane. Okay...

None of the evidence that mentions Cossey says he owned any of the chutes, only that he packed them. 

Cossey, to my knowledge, has never told media he had a chute returned to him from SeaTac unused. He was interviewed by phone and in person dozens of times over the years. 

Neither has Hayden ever said HE had a chute returned to him from SeaTac. In addition, Hayden still claims Cooper jumped with HIS chute, and the other was eventually returned after he finally had a lawyer send a letter to the FBI in WA DC. His story is supported by the Agent Detlor document. 

On top of all that, you have no evidence that the cops actually went to Cossey's home on the night of the hijacking, although they talked to him later. The Sky Sports evidence is clear that Sky Sports only sent TWO chutes out that night, and both were reserves...no backpacks. This means they would HAVE to go to Cossey in person. He lived clear out in Woodinville, which is some distance from the SeaTac airport. And...that the FBI was able to obtain his name and address, contact him, and get out there and back in a relatively short time. It's true that Woodinville and Issaquah are about the same distance from SeaTac (Woodinville probably a little farther) but Issaquah is a straight shot from the I-90 freeway. Woodinville would take a little longer.

First mention of Cossey in any reports by the FBI is referenced as being AFTER the hijacking. There is no evidence showing anyone actually spoke to Cossey in person until afterward. There is no report about chutes saying police went to his house the night of the hijacking. Issaquah and Woodinville are also on opposite ends of the Puget Sound. 

Between Norman Hayden and Earl Cossey...only COSSEY is known to have jacked interviewers and media around occasionally with his claims regarding the chutes over the years. 

Maybe you should present the Reno document again, since that seems to be the crux of your theory. You should understand that your theory not only adds two parachutes to the ones delivered, but ONE ADDITIONAL TRIP to do it, since Woodinville is north and west of Seattle, and Issaquah is south and west of Seattle. You have not just added extra chutes to the mix, but an extra trip by the police to the OPPOSITE end of Puget Sound. And nowhere is such a trip referenced in the record. Not a single interview, book, FBI doc, nothing. 

You are asking people to believe quite a lot here, you know. 

 

 

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Final Update on the DB Cooper Video Shoot(s) in the Olympic Mountains This Weekend:

1) First, I would like to thank the folks who sent in supporting messages over the last week or so. I know most of you come from Facebook or Quora and won't see this, but I will credit you when I return. And I do thank you. 

2) This trip was planned over the last six weeks or so, and planning began after the Oregon Cooper Campout, which admittedly could have been better than it was. It wasn't a complete failure, but threatening posts made at Bruce Smith's Mountain News encouraging people to show up at the rally point in Estacada and cause trouble certainly did not help. (Links to those posts provided on request if you're really interested, but it's in the past now, and I learned a few lessons on security for these events because of them.) Truth is, it was the gunfire going on all day at the shooting pit nearby that really put a kabosh on the event. (See picture below) Only a few people showed up, but we still had fun anyway. Mostly after dark, though. B| The one GOOD thing was that I was able to do a full field test on all the gear for THIS trip and found out my system worked. So there is that. 

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3) The last three 'Cooper Campouts' have been casual affairs where we just met up at a prearranged spot out in the middle of nowhere and had fun. This one is different. It is strictly business. As you read this, my truck is packed to the gills with everything needed to do at least three Cooper-related videos, which will be shot from Friday afternoon through Saturday. I'm leaving in the late morning on Thursday for a 90-minute drive to the spot I have chosen to do this. Thursday afternoon and Friday morning will be dedicated to setting up all the equipment and background to shoot these videos at least semi-professionally, and a great deal of planning has gone into the whole thing. I'm returning to the Seattle area on either the following Monday, or perhaps Tuesday, August 20th, depending on how it goes. 

4) I'm going to address several issues in the Cooper case, but NOT Flyjack's theory. I still don't understand it completely yet, so that would not be fair to him. These videos will be released one at a time at YouTube over a period of a couple of months after I do the proper editing and other production on them. 

5) Whether you agree with me or not, like me or not, this does not matter. I never thought of the investigation into Cooper as a popularity contest, but I promise that I will not hit people below the belt in these videos. Not even Eric Ulis, who I consider one of the most deceptive people currently working on the case. My philosophy is the minute you start using names, or go emotional on people, that is the minute people stop listening. It is better in my opinion to give it to people straight....give them credit for intelligence...and let them make up their own minds based on the evidence. 

6) The other 'Cooper Campouts' I have sponsored were mostly going to the limit to ensure people had fun, and were comfortable. I was often just a background person in these, which suited me just fine. But after a few of these events, I decided I not only deserved a break, but needed to contribute some real content for discussion on the case beyond forum postings. 

7) Balancing all this between book editing services for writers, my regular job with the toilet scrubbing, and my other responsibilities has been difficult for sure. But the time has come for me to leave others out of this and just do it on my own. The gear works, the outlines, backgrounds, and props for the videos are ready, and so am I. Tomorrow morning, sometime before noon, it finally becomes reality. The results cannot be predicted, but I promise to do the best I can. In one way, I won't be completely alone. A few folks in Cooperland took me up on my offer to provide my cell number. I only asked them to call evenings, since I will be pretty busy during the day. :)

Sincerely, Robert

 

 

 

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7 hours ago, RobertMBlevins said:

 

If NEITHER of Hayden's chutes were used, and we already know the FBI has only ONE chute currently in their possession, (the pink parachute)...

Then why didn't Hayden ask for BOTH of his chutes to be returned? In his interview, he claimed Cooper used one of his chutes and the other was returned. He was pretty adamant about having that chute returned to him. Why would he just ignore the other? 

Either Cossey was lying, or Hayden was lying. Now you are claiming that a total of SIX parachutes were actually sent to SeaTac, but only four went to the plane. Okay...

None of the evidence that mentions Cossey says he owned any of the chutes, only that he packed them. 

Cossey, to my knowledge, has never told media he had a chute returned to him from SeaTac unused. He was interviewed by phone and in person dozens of times over the years. 

Neither has Hayden ever said HE had a chute returned to him from SeaTac. In addition, Hayden still claims Cooper jumped with HIS chute, and the other was eventually returned after he finally had a lawyer send a letter to the FBI in WA DC. His story is supported by the Agent Detlor document. 

On top of all that, you have no evidence that the cops actually went to Cossey's home on the night of the hijacking, although they talked to him later. The Sky Sports evidence is clear that Sky Sports only sent TWO chutes out that night, and both were reserves...no backpacks. This means they would HAVE to go to Cossey in person. He lived clear out in Woodinville, which is some distance from the SeaTac airport. And...that the FBI was able to obtain his name and address, contact him, and get out there and back in a relatively short time. It's true that Woodinville and Issaquah are about the same distance from SeaTac (Woodinville probably a little farther) but Issaquah is a straight shot from the I-90 freeway. Woodinville would take a little longer.

First mention of Cossey in any reports by the FBI is referenced as being AFTER the hijacking. There is no evidence showing anyone actually spoke to Cossey in person until afterward. There is no report about chutes saying police went to his house the night of the hijacking. Issaquah and Woodinville are also on opposite ends of the Puget Sound. 

Between Norman Hayden and Earl Cossey...only COSSEY is known to have jacked interviewers and media around occasionally with his claims regarding the chutes over the years. 

Maybe you should present the Reno document again, since that seems to be the crux of your theory. You should understand that your theory not only adds two parachutes to the ones delivered, but ONE ADDITIONAL TRIP to do it, since Woodinville is north and west of Seattle, and Issaquah is south and west of Seattle. You have not just added extra chutes to the mix, but an extra trip by the police to the OPPOSITE end of Puget Sound. And nowhere is such a trip referenced in the record. Not a single interview, book, FBI doc, nothing. 

You are asking people to believe quite a lot here, you know. 

 

 

1 We know the FBI has at least one chute, we don't know how many they have.

2 Hayden assumed Cooper used one of his chutes, so he only expected one returned.

3 There are FBI references to Cossey owning the chutes. Since the FBI info is contradictory that isn't a factor.

4 Cossey has claimed he had a chute returned, he thought it was the one left one the plane. Another possibility is that, in error, Cossey was given Hayden's chute that was left on the plane. That may explain his defensive behaviour.

You have to look at this from Cossey's and Hayden's perspective, neither knew the other had also sent in back chutes so they both assumed the two chutes that went to the plane were theirs.

5 Cossey sent the chutes in by cab. Cops didn't go to his home.

6 Cossey did make conflicting statements but his statements are not necessary to show that the two Hayden chutes are accounted for and of the two back chutes described by the FBI, only one matches Hayden's. Cossey's statements here are actually irrelevant.

7 There is no extra trip by police.

 

The fact is the packing card found in the back chute left on the plane doesn't match the packing card found in the back chute returned to Hayden but the packing dates match. That means Cooper did not take either of Hayden's chutes.

 

I am not asking people to believe anything, the evidence is clear, Cooper did not use either of Hayden's back chutes. So, which chute did he use?? We can't prove he used Cossey's but there isn't really any other explanation. He didn't use Hayden's.

 

The FBI refers to Cossey as the packer and sometimes owner. The FBI notes demonstrate confusion about the chutes.

 

 

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Hayden got back a 1957 S/N 226 matching the one Bruce saw. The card found in the back chute left on the plane shows a 1960 S/N 60-9707

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The wind:

Claiming the SSW wind was a fact and known is borderline insanity.

The FBI admitted it was an estimate based on two assumptions

1 - the wind at Portland and Salem was the same as the LZ and the Placard find location.

2 - the wind data was averaged over an hour.

 

The wind at 8:30 at Portland was 180 deg S.

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The problems with the FBI assumptions are obvious, Portland and Salem are far from the LZ and Placard find so using it as a proxy is extremely unreliable. Winds change within miles. Averaging the winds over an hour is not reliable either, they can change within minutes. We don't have the wind data at the LZ or Placard find at the precise time so using SSW winds are a guess.

 

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Wind map variability.

https://a.atmos.washington.edu/~ovens/wxloop.cgi?sfc_wa+24

 

Winds at Toledo at 8 PM were S. 

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 A South wind spins the LZ.. 

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I never noticed this before,,

"According to him a high wind was blowing at Merwin Dam last night. At about 11:30Pm there was a burglary of a grocery store located roughly 10 miles South of the dam. Survival rations were taken including beef jerky, cigarettes, gloves, etc. The person who broke in was wearing military type boots with a corregated sole."

 

Average walking speed is 3.1 mph, if it was Cooper he could have walked 9-10 miles in the three hours between landing and the store break in. In other words, it matches the LZ south of Merwin.

 

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The initial search area came from NWA and the crew..

We are now expected to reject the corroboration from the crew, the air force, the chase pilots, Boeing, NWA and controllers to invent an alternate flight path to move the plane over Tina Bar to explain the money find..   nonsense. 

 

Nov 26.

"The crew of the above airline has now spotted a possible area for this suspected departure of the
hijacker to be over Merwin Lake, near Woodland, Washington.

A search is now being conducted by helicopter and ground crews working out of the Woodland Police Department."

 

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15 hours ago, FLYJACK said:

I never noticed this before,,

"According to him a high wind was blowing at Merwin Dam last night. At about 11:30Pm there was a burglary of a grocery store located roughly 10 miles South of the dam. Survival rations were taken including beef jerky, cigarettes, gloves, etc. The person who broke in was wearing military type boots with a corregated sole."

 

Average walking speed is 3.1 mph, if it was Cooper he could have walked 9-10 miles in the three hours between landing and the store break in. In other words, it matches the LZ south of Merwin.

 

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They claim "military style".. probably based on the corrugated sole matching a footprint.

There are/were slip on ankle boots/shoes with corrugated soles...

I have an old pair of Doc Martins like that with "military style" corrugated soles but look like regular shoes.

 

Also,, I received the big Penny's catalog and there are no men's ties in it. That suggests the tie was purchased in store 1964/5 not via mail order... If Cooper purchased the tie he was in the US at that time.

There are lots of shoes/boots in the catalog,, I'll have to check those.

 

It may be what is called a "service shoe/boot"

 

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I have returned from the wilderness...

I did shoot three separate videos, but won't be editing them for release until later this evening. This takes some time because of the addition of front and back credits, intro, and some still shots. 

The document concerning the break in at the grocery:  It would be interesting to know what brand of cigarettes were taken. If they were only Raleighs, then you have to consider it was a good bet that Cooper did the break in. Gloves are also not a normal type of theft item unless you happen to need them at the moment because your hands are cold. Taking food that can be carried in your pockets and eaten from there...another factor pointing to someone possibly on the run. This does not look like (to me) a theft to make money, but a theft of necessity. 

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'The 11:30 PM store break location in was 3 miles South and 0.5 miles East from point A on the LZ map...'

I'll bet it is. When people talk about the FBI dropping the ball on the Cooper case, one of the first things they should have realized is that a break-in to a small store on the evening prior to Thanksgiving, considering the items taken, etc...and the unlikelihood of someone busting into a store for such things unless they smoked and were on the run...that store should have been cordoned off right away and searched for evidence by an FBI team. They may have had their best chance to identify the hijacker right there. Long ago and far away, I suppose. If I had been in charge of the search for Cooper, I would have made that spot Grand Central Station for the search, and bet my money it was the hijacker who had the nerve to do such a thing practically on the morning of Thanksgiving. Most people on the day prior to Thanksgiving are either with family, or preparing to eat the biggest meal of the year, not breaking a window or door to steal cigarettes, gloves, and beef jerky. 

Flyjack:  I'm closing the book (discussion) on the parachute question. I will agree that you have brought up important points on chute, chute...who's got the parachute...I give you that. But the truth is I just don't care that much on which one went where, or which one Cooper jumped with...unless they actually find that chute out there in the woods someday. It's a fairly moot point, with the bigger question being WHO was WEARING the chute when HE jumped out the back of that jet. So I'll agree you have brought up some valid stuff regarding these chutes, but it still doesn't tell us who Cooper was. Interesting, though. 

UPDATE ON THE RECENTLY-FILMED Cooper Videos:  There are three, on three different subjects. They are being processed right now for YouTube, in the order shown below. The first will be uploaded to YouTube late this evening. I will link it here when it is ready. Here are the subjects, in the order of release:

1) I address Eric Ulis' first 60 'Cooper Bite' videos. I was supposed to do this in fifteen minutes or less, but the whole thing ran to just over twenty minutes. Still, that's an average of three videos per minute and that's not bad. B| At the very end, the camera glitched on me because I accidentally hit 'Still Shot' which puts any further video onto a different folder. I was able to work around this problem with a still shot, which fades back into the ending. 

2) A short video with updates on the upcoming film on the Cooper case currently in production by two companies working in partnership. About five minutes long. 

3) I address Eric Ulis' deceptive behavior regarding his scheduled 'Cooper Con 2019' and how he dealt with the Cooper combination party event, by naming names and showing the public How Eric Trashed the Biggest Cooper Event Ever Planned in Pacific Northwest History. (By accepting the hosting job as an opportunity to trash the whole thing in favor of his own, rather lame event in Vancouver.) About ten minutes in length. I mention the Kiggins Theater in Vancouver, WA in the video, but that is only accurate if Shutter didn't post up lies about it, since that info came from Shutter directly.) 

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GoingBoeing: I appreciate your efforts here, I really do. But you are Going to have to present more than just pictures that look like the sketch of the hijacker...

Do you have any witnesses at ALL for this guy? Anyone who can say where he was or what he was doing, or even what he was SUPPOSED to be doing on the day of the hijacking? Any relatives or friends who have offered up evidence pointing to your guy as a possible suspect? 

I support any presentation on any suspect except maybe Rackstraw or Sheridan Peterson, neither of whom I believe was Cooper. 

Come on, be reasonable. They don't call the sketch the Bing Crosby sketch for nothing. Cooper's general description could fit a million different people. Even the stews on 305 couldn't agree completely on what he looked like. All three of them, Mucklow, Schaffner, and Hancock...all of them gave different combinations from the FBI's Facial Identification Catalog. 

How about unexplained spending? His life just prior to the hijacking? His life after the hijacking? A single witness who agrees with you, or who has gone on the record saying he or she believes your guy might be Cooper?

I support the forwarding of your guy completely. But you have to give people a little more than just pictures and the fact he worked at Boeing. My DAD worked at Boeing just prior to the hijacking, and was laid off just like the other 70,000 or so employees who got dumped at that same time. He ended up pulling heavy sheets of plywood from a dryer line and grading them for five bucks an hour, just to help feed the family. I can tell you with assurance he wasn't Cooper. You have to give people more than just pictures and your declaration he was Cooper. Something, anything that possibly links him to the crime. Motive, opportunity, a witness, etc. Something. 

NOTE: I am up late (for those who seem to concern themselves with my hours) because the first version of the Eric Ulis video was not to my liking. I went cheap on the parameters and the results were not up to standards. I increased the parameters and I am still waiting for the processing to finish. It will take at least an hour. I may just hit the sack and let it keep processing until morning. Knew I should have gone for 'high definition display' in the parameters even though it takes longer. 

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Late Night With Robert:  Took me until four in the AM here in Seattle, but I finally managed the edit and upload to YouTube for my first EU video. I didn't hit below the belt, but IMHO he deserves this to be made public. Wait until you see the one on how he managed to Trash the Biggest DB Cooper Event Ever Planned in NW History. 

Sometimes comedy and a few laughs are the best way to not only reach people, but to express points you try to make in the Cooper case. B|

 

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Wind in Seattle, SSE at 8PM...

Averaged winds at Salem and Portland were used as a proxy for wind direction.. this is a guess for the LZ and Placard find location, it is not a fact.

Salem, Portland and Seattle are too far from the LZ/Placard to have any confidence.

 

 

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Robert I appreciate your efforts here. However nobody gives a crap about your campout.
(Except the people who attend these things.)

Your campout has nothing to do with DB Cooper.
(Except for the fact we show Cooper media, sometimes shoot Cooper-related media, discuss Cooper, and encourage continued public interest in the Cooper case.)

This is 2019. You know nothing about finding people.
(Except when I spent over a year driving all over the Northwest USA hunting down anybody and anyone who knew Kenny Christiansen. I'm also a former member of King County Search and Rescue.)

You know nothing about modern evidence and techniques. 
(Haven't seen any 'modern evidence or technique' regarding YOUR suspect, just some pictures so far, but I'm hoping.)

You know nothing about improvisation. You know nothing about evolving.
(I like improv comedy and I believe Darwin was right. Does that count?)

Criminals always have and always will evolve and if you don’t evolve with them you get left at Blevins cookout.
(No they don't. Sometime it is a one-off type of crime, such as Cooper's. Had he 'evolved' and done more hijackings, they would have caught him.) 

They don’t draw sketches for no reason.
(Yes, this is true.)

They don’t check surveillance cameras for no reason.
(No footage available for Cooper, unfortunately. And you are not the first to blow up and present a picture of the Boston Marathon bombing suspect. I did the same thing at the time it happened.) 

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EDIT:  On another subject, 'three miles ENE of La Center' puts the landing zone for Cooper in a heavily wooded area just south of the airstrip called La Center View Air Airport, which almost certainly was NOT in existence in 1971. This dropzone is also just south of the area between Green and Bald Mountains, the location of the Amboy Parachute found in 2008. 

The population of La Center is just over 2,000 today. In 1970 it was about 300. The location mentioned in the FBI document (today) is a heavily wooded area surrounded by a developed area that was NOT developed in 1970. From there, it would be about five to six miles to the Interstate 5 freeway. If you believe the winds at the time of Cooper's jump WERE coming basically from the SOUTH, then his dropzone would be just about where everyone had it figured in the first place, i.e. south of Ariel and northeast of Vancouver, WA. 

Because no one has been able to narrow down the time of Cooper's jump in relation to the exact position of the aircraft to anything less than two, or possibly even three minutes...this leaves you with a search area of between 12-16 square miles. And since the real search for Cooper didn't begin until sometime in the morning after the hijacking, he would have had a head start on any search of at least ten to twelve hours...more than sufficient time to reach civilization and possibly a telephone before the hunt was really on for him. 

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(In the map just above, note that La Center is in the extreme lower left hand corner. The Amboy chute was located somewhere along the yellow line shown in the picture.)

I keep wondering WHERE that store was that suffered the break-in the night of the hijacking. One thing about these Google Map shots of the general area you have to remember:  All those brown clear cuts and developments you see in them? They were mostly just green and undeveloped back in 1971, and there were far fewer streets and roads. This is especially true for any areas down there outside of an organized town or village. Just not a whole lot of people lived out there back then, unlike today. 

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