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No skin off your nose but a whole lot of false narrative to add to your failure to understand what "damage" means...

Basically, you are telling me I should of never told the truth? you are always welcomed with open arms and have never been banned for behavior problems. never sent multiple emails threatening law suits, never threatened to try and shut my forum down using the DMCA on a photo that wasn't even yours. never wrote negative articles about me or others in the community. never spoke to news sources or producers that we are bad people. you have never went on a podcast creating another false narrative that everyone hates you. it's nearly impossible to believe you had last years location shutdown believing it was subject to Christiansen being the main topic. then hearing Meyer report you had more idea's for the next location? you would never take a memorial page or a donation page and fill it up with gossip about my forum like you do on the DZ. how about really hitting outside the box and mocking a childhood friend I've known for over 40 years shortly after he died. using a proxy or VPN to intrude where you are banned from. how about posting personal information and telephone numbers. sending emails one after another sometimes reaching 10 in an hours time till you have to be blocked. lets not forget you accusing me of hiring a lawyer to watch over your forum through another member that was banned at the time from my forum that I once again had nothing to do with. never called people lowlife scumbags. never threatened to report someone to the National Bar Association. you try to damage people outside the internet. only a hardcore troll does that. more false narratives making articles saying The Learning Channel bypassed us..lol, 4 members were on the show. was suppose to be 6 if I wasn't bumped for Josh to skydive...

That petty stuff...lets not lose track of the reasons I refuse to work with you. If I'm asked I will respond. seriously, don't you think it's you that should take responsibility for your actions that cause things like this? if the above never happened we wouldn't be here, right? if anyone asks me about you in the future I will respond with the same facts I told Jim. I don't want anything to do with you. that's my right whether you like it or not. you have been doing this for years out of spite. I have to keep reminding you that I was asked and I answered. I don't stay up all night putting people down and gossiping about the same things over and over. I realize it's tough being the outcast but you made the bed. hopefully you now know to avoid trying to get us involved into your affairs? REMEMBER I don't want to work with you at any level. if someone wants to know why. I will repeat the same facts. you won't see this on Wordpress in 10 different articles with different titles. it will be mentioned to those who need to know. you want people to lie and act like we are all friends. not going to happen. no rules or morals broken. deal with it....

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1 hour ago, RobertMBlevins said:

It's a funny thing that some people in Cooperland would rather shoot themselves in the foot rather than participating in something better than just ten or twenty people in the audience sitting with glazed eyes listening to the same old shit they heard last year

More false narratives. the same people are going to show up that didn't like the previous one according to you. the same shit you would approve if it was Jim's event? why would you even involve people like that in the first place? are you saying 377 and Tom Kaye are shit. Eric is king shit? you left out boring? should I do what you do and send this to them?  will Andrade and Darren speak shit? keep digging that hole.

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antipathy, hostility, friction, antagonism, enmity, animus, opposition, aversion, acrimony, bitterness, rancor, resentment, dislike, ill feeling, bad feeling, ill will, bad blood, hatred, hate, loathing, detestation, abhorrence, odium; malice, spite, spitefulness, venom, malevolence, malignity; grudges, grievances; archaic disrelish

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Blah...blah...and (you guessed it) blah. 

How were you working with me, anyway? Were you planning to fly to Portland from where you live in Florida to attend? No one asked you to 'work with me'. It wasn't my event. 

I give it to people straight. It is as simple as that. The hard truth is that both you and Eric, along with a couple of your forum members...single-handedly managed to trash the Portland event...and foolishly did that under the assumption I was somehow 'in charge' of things. The only losers in this are the public, and some of the folks who were hoping for a decent crowd to any Cooper event this year. I actually blame Eric for this more than you and your friends, since he was the one who lied to people saying he was happy to host, and help organize the Portland event...even though he had absolutely no intention of doing so. You can try to tap dance around all that as much as you wish, but that is exactly what he did. 

Like I said, no skin off my nose. I saved a thousand bucks in Amazon gift cards and learned a good lesson. 

At some point in the future, AB of Seattle will organize an event in Seattle related to the Cooper case. All of you, believe it or not, will be invited to participate. But you WILL have to share things with a few headliners, since I learned long ago that THEY are the people who actually bring the public to the door. Not me, not you, not Eric, not Bruce Smith...but people whom the public can identify with. I have already sent out some messages about all that, and the folks working with me now are in agreement that the Eric/Shutter/email fiasco will not be repeated. 

Whether you and your so-called 'Cooper Royalty' friends wish to participate is completely up to you. Whether you do or not is of no concern. Trust me, we will get by without you. B|

If there is anyone in this whole thing I feel sorry for, it is Jim Brunberg. He trusted Eric. He got burned. Face it, you guys trashed an opportunity that many who belong to your website would have appreciated, whether they will admit it to you or not. 

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I'm going to tell you one more time. I had nothing to do with the event. I was asked about you and I answered truthful. what Eric did is not my concern. I don't own him and he doesn't own me. I didn't speak to him about it or what he should do. be a man and call him a deal with that yourself and keep those not involved out of it. Jim either heard what I said or he didn't I never asked him. I only told him the reason I would not get involved with anything attached to you. I don't have to be there...do you follow? I'm not going to lie and act like we are friends. this is not a job. it's a hobby. I don't have to do squat for you or deal with you surrounding any event. Bruce also gave valid reasons. you want to act like nothing ever happened when you need something. when nothing is going on you continue to put people down, the same people you want help from. that's the MO of someone who uses people. none of this would be happening if you didn't do the things I wrote you have done over the years. not to mention you are barking at the wrong person. take this crap up with Eric. be a man for once. 

Added: I seriously doubt Jim has lost a wink over this. it's old news to him by now..he got over it but you can't...

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'Added: I seriously doubt Jim has lost a wink over this. it's old news to him by now..he got over it but you can't...'

Funny how you just blow off Jim's feelings about the whole thing and speak for him. You helped trash the biggest Cooper event ever planned in the Great Northwest...and you run the biggest website on Cooper...from a chair in FLORIDA. 

Congratulations. Yeah, you were motivated by the best intentions. The results you gained speak for themselves. 

Or maybe not.

I'd laugh at your statement if it weren't so pathetic. You let your emotions overwhelm your common sense, and cheated a lot of Northwest folk, as well as Cooper fans. All I did was to put up some prize money and offer a few ideas to the nice people who asked me to assist. See...that's called doing something positive in the case. 

You went the base and cheap route, along with a few of your friends. Just like you did when we sponsored the Ariel Store fund raiser. You and your biggest members talked smack about that as well. Despite your efforts, we managed to raise over $2,500 for the store, got them on Travel Channel, and in several newspapers. You went against that as well...for the same reasons. 

I see a pattern here. I think the public will as well. I could be wrong, but I don't believe they will see things quite your way. Do you even have a clue what you cheated many of your own members out of this year? I doubt it. 

Maybe you should keep your opinions regarding Cooper-based events to yourself. You haven't really done any good, or anything positive with them. So far, you are 0-2. 

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Robert, I didn't trash anything. I spoke the truth. that's something you lack. I don't have the time to show that route. 

Let me try to understand this. it's okay for you to "warn" people and say bad things about me or others and put words into our mouths as you just did above but if someone were to ask me about you I'm a villain. 

The post above outlines the fact of you wanting me to lie when someone wants information about you. explaining someone probably didn't lose sleep over something is not speaking for them. I would have to say "trust me, Jim didn't lose any sleep over this" then you try to scold me for not living in Washington lol. another unheard of rule in this little kangaroo court you set up on someone else's forum. my involvement would of been small just like yours lol. lets not forget the fact of you calling 377, Tom and others shit. 

It doesn't matter the extent of your involvement. you are still part of something I didn't want to be connected to. if you were asked to join my forum you would laugh and say all kinds of bad things in a long strung out post. I was asked about you and gave a truthful response. if that tilted the scale it's because the truth was heard. that's not what happened at all. this was between Jim and Eric. I don't know what transpired beyond Eric. the last email Jim sent explained having an event to be held anywhere..." present a format for an event in November (in one of my spaces or somewhere) and once that’s established maybe I can promote, add some entertainment etc." so, again, you are barking at the wrong person and trying to drag me through the mud for something you do often on this forum. you need to speak with Jim and Eric about anything surrounding any event taking place either in Oregon or Washington. my input about the event was zero. why didn't you set aside your differences and back Eric and work with him. wasn't your event and you had little to do with it, right. little hypocritical, no? you call people shit and speak for others claiming 20 people will show. that's the trash talk you claim others speak, no? I think the kangaroo court should cease and allow the conversation of Cooper continue but we all know you make that secondary. none of this belongs here and the future is looking to be dim once again. then when it gets shutdown again you will tell us how it wasn't your fault. 

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"you run the biggest website on Cooper....from a chair in FLORIDA"

That's more of a compliment than the animosity/hate/trash talk you attempted to present. FYI, it's a forum not a website :)

 

 

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'if you were asked to join my forum you would laugh and say all kinds of bad things in a long strung out post. I was asked about you and gave a truthful response...'

Why Jim would 'ask about me' is a little hard to believe. We had already spoken on the phone extensively and he had already seen all the negative posts with my name attached that still exist at your forum. Like some other people who have seen all that, such as the movie guys back in 2016...he thought it was overkill. He wanted a successful event, not a bunch of petty bickering. He has said that a few times. 

What he asked was probably the same thing he had ALWAYS asked: If Cooper folk wanted a successful event, and they wanted Jim Brunberg to donate his classy venue to the effort...he wanted people to stop bitching at each other and get along.  The truth, no matter how you try to circumvent it, or dress it up in heels and a short skirt...is that Eric lied, and you helped screw Cooper folk out of the biggest public opportunity they were ever going to get this year...based on your personal feelings for me. I imagine you also 'embellished' your back door comments about me to Jim Brunberg, which he probably didn't care much about anyway. His main thing was either 'get along' or he dumps the whole idea. Between your actions and Eric's BS, Cooper folk are left with the pitiful remains. It is too bad, really. 

I should tell you I made a modest donation to the Red Cross this week for the victims of the recent hurricane. This is similar to my involvement in that event...mostly a donation, and arranging a little help (guests who would bring in the public) to that event. 

Does this mean you will not assist with the effort in the Bahamas now? I was 'involved' in that a bit as well. And as we all know...you will have nothing to do with anything where AB of Seattle is involved. 

Look, I am not as angry about this as you might think. It could have been worse. At least if you guys were planning to trash the whole thing (a dirty trick, yes) you did it early-on before I wasted any more of my effort and time. Or spent money on those gift cards...or did advertising at AB of Seattle and the other internet places we hang out. By coming after everything right away, you did save me some trouble. 

I did learn from all this. We will probably organize a Cooper event at some point, but we will not make it possible for people in Cooperland to do what they did THIS time. The whole thing turned into a mess because people could not work together. So now you get The Eric Show. Okay...we will see how that goes. When we finally get around to organizing our own Cooper event, the usual folks will be invited. They can come or not, as they choose. But you won't be able to stop it with innuendo and emails this time...and we will prepare this event as if none of you are willing to participate. I figure a few will go along, and some will not. Either way works for me, and this arrangement has already been discussed heavily. 

I don't wish any evil on the current event in November, and neither will I interfere with it. (I will be in San Diego that week anyway) But I'm sure it will be a rather tame event and not too heavily attended. This is not my fault. 

You know...I did talk about the Portland thing with the movie production group down in LA. Here and there. What one of them told me is that on film crews some of these people just HATE each other, yet when the cameras roll they work together like professionals for the greater good. I think everyone who stays informed understands that the Portland proposal was far superior to Eric's one-man, pay-as-you-go show, but that opportunity is now gone. Maybe YOU guys will learn a lesson from that as well as I. 

 

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lol, the Bahama's are not the same to identify. we can play that game. Eric is a member here. that means you are friends as well as me! people are friends on my board according to you. nice friends you have lol...

Robert, this is so ridiculous. how many times have you posted things about media sources or producers claiming you "warned them about us" you've been doing the very same you accuse me of and you were not asked about us especially using the term "warned them"  you put words in our mouths claiming we "hate" you. it's very possible Georger does along with the gang at TMN. that's 4 and not what I have ever claimed nor has a lot of others. actually the gang at TMN is probably one person acting as three so it's two people. has Bruce used that term. it's once again a false narrative to forward the agenda. note I said possible. I don't speak for others as you do. 

You miss the point again. everyone seems to work together except when you get involved. regardless of the size of the conference no bickering occurred because you were not involved. Eric did the whole thing and it's old news now. he's moved on and trying again this year. you are the only one putting him down. do you know for a fact he left Jim in the dust. did they disagree and part. I don't know and it's none of my business. it's between those who are trying to create the event. I told Jim I didn't want to be involved with anything attached to you and he wondered why so I explained. end of story...

Added: I've mentioned to you so many times the count is lost. people don't hate you. they hate the things you do. huge difference trying to use the word hate as a base point.

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It's not what people say so much as what they DO. When you say people 'hate the things I do,' what you REALLY mean is that a few, select people in Cooper Royalty don't like it when I call them out on certain actions, or posts...and make sure the public gets the straight story. And...that I don't give a damn about Cooper Royalty, or mutual back-slapping, look-how-cool-we-are stuff. No, I do not buy into that junk because it is self-serving, is dishonest, and goes nowhere. 

If these things were not true, AB would not have nearly 900 people getting the RSS feed at our Quora Cooper space there, my email box and question requests regarding Cooper would not be constant...and traffic to the WordPress Cooper column would not be as heavy as it is, and we would not have around 100,000 views or more to our YouTube videos on the Cooper case. 

If you actually believe that no one listens, and that Cooper Royalty is still the only voice of the case in town...brother, you are living a fantasy. B|

EDIT: I always get a kick out of it when you tell me that 'no one wants to work with you,' or 'no one listens to you'. You mean a few people who consider themselves better than anyone else in the Cooper case effort don't want to work with me. Do I really care about that? No. The one thing I learned about the Portland event fiasco was that few of you can be trusted, and you shoot yourselves in the foot over emotional issues. I have no such problem. 

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This is extremely tiring...try and focus once again. do you recall all the things I wrote surrounding the dirty tricks you have pulled over the years. still here, that's what I see along with others I would assume when speaking about "the things you do"  Robert, you have tried to damage people lives outside of the internet and the Cooper story. 

11 minutes ago, RobertMBlevins said:

look-how-cool-we-are stuff.

This is creating another false narrative. where in any comments can you provide any proof of this statement with you once again speaking for others? that's the animosity slipping out again. it's getting beyond pathetic...where have I ever even made a statement they only listen to us? same for Cooper royalty. I didn't make that up...

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I don't need you to keep telling me to 'focus' lol. After nearly 60 illustrated articles at WordPress on the Cooper case, eleven videos with views totaling an average of 10,000 views each, a book on the case, 900 followers to the famous Quora dot com 'Space' on Cooper, a movie deal on the case, etc etc...I am quite focused. 

I have 'damaged lives' outside of the internet regarding the Cooper case? What damage would that be? If you mean calling people out occasionally for their more-than-willing negative actions, if any damage was done they brought it on themselves. The Regina Winkles fiasco by some of your forum members. The baloney accusations of child molestation harped on at Bruce's website just weeks prior to the 2018 convention, and so many lying posts by major Cooper player Galen Cook at your forum that he had to withdraw from the site. The list goes on and on there Mr Squeaky Clean. Seems like most of the baloney either comes OUT of the Cooper Forum, is supported by the Cooper Forum, or hosted by same. 

Being accepted onto your site means one good thing for the recipient. It means they no longer have to accept responsibility for anything dishonest they do in the case, because you (and a few of your members like Bruce Smith and others) have their backs. 

You see...you NEED someone like me to keep you all honest. I don't expect you to like that, but that's the way it is. B|

 

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EDIT: I have received a long, detailed message sent to me anonymously. It was extremely disturbing to say the least, and in some ways has to do with the upcoming event in November. I can't tell you any more than that. Frankly, I was shocked and that's not easy to do. 

However...one of the things this person said was that she follows this thread. So...I am hoping she will see this post now. I also modified our Contact Page at AB of Seattle with a special message just for her. (She reached us through the Contact page)

Because her message was sent anonymously, and contains SERIOUS allegations, I will absolutely NOT make those allegations public, and I was asked not to make them public, so I will respect that. As far as I know, anyone could have sent it and that makes it non-qualified to repeat publicly. 

But just in case 'Anonymous in Vancouver' drops by, this is my message to her:

'I appreciate your concern and I did read your message. But you understand that sending it in the manner you did does no one any good. I urge you to either go public on your allegations, or to contact me legitimately, preferably by telephone, and we can discuss this situation privately. You can email me at [email protected] and I will provide you with my number. Otherwise, there is nothing I can do. I understand where you are coming from, and I think your allegations should be made public. It is better to confront these things, rather than to sweep them under the rug. When you sweep them away...the problem never GOES away. But that decision is up to you. If what you allege is true, you should go public. 

Sincerely, Robert....'

(Robert says: I'm not touching this with a ten foot pole unless she is willing to go on the record. No way, Jose. But I hope she does...and IF she does...AB of Seattle staff will support her all the way. (I will say THIS much about the message:  It went into such great detail, and was so well-written, it actually moved me a bit. But without confirmation or going on the record, there isn't a thing I can do.) 
 

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5 hours ago, RobertMBlevins said:

if any damage was done they brought it on themselves.

EXACTLY, my point with Jim. when someone asks you about someone you typically tell them what you know about that person. it was asked, and it was answered. it wasn't even everything I wrote here either but I made my point just as it was made here surrounding your actions over the years. it doesn't matter what you believe. it's what I know and told. if it tilted the scale that's not my problem.

I don't know if it aired since I seen the show before it was aired with Bruce Smith in the program. he went to a house where Donna told him to go and spoke with an older woman by the name of Bernice Reed who claims she knew where the chute was found and showed them. it was on her property according to Bernice. 

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Long ago and far away. I have already spoken on that subject at length. Since no one chose to support the event in Portland...now you have to settle with whatever Eric provides. And everyone will have to buy tickets, except for the speakers I suppose. No headliners, no Lookalike contest for big prizes, whatever...maybe it will work, maybe it won't. 

As far as the Amboy chute, about the only thing I would be interested in is running metal detectors around the area where the chute was dug up by the FBI. They may have missed the hardware. Getting permission to do that is doubtful at best. I have considered a campout to the Silver Star Recreation Area occasionally, and maybe I could stop by and ask. You can sort of go through Amboy to reach that area. But it is already September, so doubtful for this year anyway and I already have a trip planned for October. 

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'If it tilted the scale, that's not my problem...'

I'm sure when the speakers look out there in the audience and see a dozen people (other than the OTHER speakers) they will thank you for providing your uniformed opinions about me, and helping Jim decide to abandon the event in Portland. 9_9

Yeah...you did good, and for the most noble of reasons I'm sure. 

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They are not opinions. that's something you might of done or could of done....we call them facts. most are documented. if a building blows up you could form an opinion to what caused it. if I told you I blew it up showing proof it would no longer be an opinion. claiming 12 people at an event that hasn't happened is also an opinion. 

It wasn't meant for any specific reason other than answers to a question. you are trashing Eric's event so who is wrong here? did I miss someone asking about it? why the hostility? I don't see why you can't put your differences aside and work together....sound familiar :) 

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48 minutes ago, mrshutter45 said:

They are not opinions. that's something you might of done or could of done....we call them facts. most are documented. if a building blows up you could form an opinion to what caused it. if I told you I blew it up showing proof it would no longer be an opinion. claiming 12 people at an event that hasn't happened is also an opinion. 

It wasn't meant for any specific reason other than answers to a question. you are trashing Eric's event so who is wrong here? did I miss someone asking about it? why the hostility? I don't see why you can't put your differences aside and work together....sound familiar :) 

Well..whatever. We will see how the alternate event in Vancouver goes. I have a saying as well;

'The proof of the pudding is in the EATING...' 

Basically, you and some of your forum members are betting on the idea that Eric's plan will actually work, and work BETTER than the one Jim and others had planned for the Mississippi Studios venue. Long shot bet, but not impossible I suppose. 

You keep making excuses to show how moral and right you were not to support Jim's event. Okay, let's see the results in November. No big deal to me. I saved a thousand bucks in Amazon gift cards and a trip to Portland. Hard to complain about that. I'm just glad you guys did all that early on instead of leading people along until the last minute. That would have been worse. I will be mildly curious to see how in goes in Vancouver this November, but not that curious. 

Just next time we won't leave the decision making to others, should we do a major Cooper event. That way, your opinions and emails would come to me. And I guess you realize you wouldn't get far with that. 

EDIT: I have to repost the earlier message in case 'Anonymous' decides to contact us legitimately. Either the message we got is a phony, (doubtful I think) or she will have a change of heart on going public. 

But just in case 'Anonymous in Vancouver' drops by, this is my message to her:

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'I appreciate your concern and I did read your message. But you understand that sending it in the manner you did does no one any good. I urge you to either go public on your allegations, or to contact me legitimately, preferably by telephone, and we can discuss this situation privately. You can email me at [email protected] and I will provide you with my number. Otherwise, there is nothing I can do. I understand where you are coming from, and I think your allegations should be made public. It is better to confront these things, rather than to sweep them under the rug. When you sweep them away...the problem never GOES away. But that decision is up to you. If what you allege is true, you should go public. 

Sincerely, Robert....'

Okay, enough. These are serious allegations being brought. I had Greg review the message. His opinion is the same as mine. It is possible, but unlikely, that the message is a phony. Greg notes that the person who sent the message, although they remained anonymous, provided TWO other sources to verify her story, and we already know how to contact these people. In fact, the message sender urged us to contact both of them. 

So...okay. AB of Seattle is launching a *preliminary* investigation. This means we will try to verify this woman's story using the means she provided. 

Try to understand something here. The whole thing could be baloney. People have been known to engage in baiting tactics. So this will be done responsibly. It is SO serious that I can't even ask for help on it, because I would have to make the allegations public, and there is NO WAY I will do that. Not at this time, and not without verification from other sources. (actually, she gave us three sources to verify, not two. ALL will be contacted. If it turns out to be baloney, no more will be said about it. If it ISN'T baloney...well, we will deal with that if it happens.)

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Answering a question is not an excuse. that's plain ridiculous. I just don't see why you can't take your very own advice and work with Eric putting your "pettiness" aside :) Is it the fact of not wanting to get involved with people like 377, Tom and others who speak shit that was quoted by you? it's puzzling since that was your reasoning seven months ago and today.?

Your not going to get very far trying to censor or silence me with anything lol...if an event comes up and this repeats. the facts, not opinions will be laid out again..you can bet on that....we don't do China and Korean rules and censorship here in America. 

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24 minutes ago, mrshutter45 said:

Answering a question is not an excuse. that's plain ridiculous. I just don't see why you can't take your very own advice and work with Eric putting your "pettiness" aside :) Is it the fact of not wanting to get involved with people like 377, Tom and others who speak shit that was quoted by you? it's puzzling since that was your reasoning seven months ago and today.?

Your not going to get very far trying to censor or silence me with anything lol...if an event comes up and this repeats. the facts, not opinions will be laid out again..you can bet on that....we don't do China and Korean rules and censorship here in America. 

No one is trying to silence or censor you...and for the moment I no longer care about the event being moved to Vancouver. Fine...let it be in Vancouver and I wish Eric the best. Sure, sure...you were right in everything you did, yada yada. If we host our own Cooper event in the future, you can give any opinion about it you wish. It won't stop the event or get it moved. Since it is still in the early planning stages, it really doesn't matter anyway. Wouldn't happen until at least next year, so don't sweat it. 

Something much more serious has emerged. I have to check it out, although it is too late today to do anything about it. I have given Greg access to the AB debit card to make his job on this a little easier. Probably be a week before I find out if this whole thing is baloney or legit. But trust me...I will find out the truth. If it is a false accusation, we will find out. If it is legit, we're going public on it the same day. Right now I couldn't tell you which way it will go, but it's pretty damn serious. 

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I have received a SECOND message from 'Anonymous in Vancouver'. She used the same email address as the previous message, so I know it is from the same person. No one knows that address except me. I urged this person to contact me on a legit basis. I explained why at the AB website, by using the AB page HERE to send her the message. She is obviously checking both DZ and the AB site page where we have our contact form. Good. 

This is very serious stuff. Even if she doesn't contact me on a legit level, her first message provided enough information for us to proceed with a preliminary investigation. We're going to find out the truth on these allegations one way or another. 

To 'Anonymous in Vancouver':  If you are reading this now, we should talk privately. Your confidentiality will be fully protected, but if what you say is true...people need to know. It's the only way it will ever stop. You are not a 'whistleblower'. You just have a conscience, and there is nothing wrong with that. 

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No problem. Right now Shutter is the last thing on my mind. I'm dealing with another issue, one a lot more serious than some bickering over 'which Cooper event is better'. 

In fact, that issue went right out the window today. I will be pretty busy over the next few days. 

All Cooper bickering aside, some very serious allegations have been presented about someone in Cooperland, and I have to get to the bottom of it. 

And I will. 

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6 hours ago, RobertMBlevins said:

No one is trying to silence or censor you...and for the moment I no longer care about the event being moved to Vancouver. Fine...let it be in Vancouver and I wish Eric the best. Sure, sure...you were right in everything you did, yada yada. If we host our own Cooper event in the future, you can give any opinion about it you wish. It won't stop the event or get it moved. Since it is still in the early planning stages, it really doesn't matter anyway. Wouldn't happen until at least next year, so don't sweat it. 

What is to sweat or a reason to move any event? I've been telling you for several years to hold your own event. WOW, I have permission to give an opinion. who would of thought that was allowed in this country :)

Yes, I was right. answering a question runs side by side with opinions...and freedom of choice. it's a right and not a privilege. you and Eric might end up like Burger King and McDonalds being right across the street from each other :) 

 

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17 minutes ago, mrshutter45 said:

What is to sweat or a reason to move any event? I've been telling you for several years to hold your own event. WOW, I have permission to give an opinion. who would of thought that was allowed in this country :)

Yes, I was right. answering a question runs side by side with opinions...and freedom of choice. it's a right and not a privilege. you and Eric might end up like Burger King and McDonalds being right across the street from each other :) 

Not likely. And believe or not, I am pretty busy right now trying to figure a few things out, and get to the truth on certain issues without embarrassing the witnesses.

I should be in bed, but instead I am examining pages coming off my printer. 

 

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Just now, mrshutter45 said:

It's still very early for you...no need for excuses.

Well unless you woke up this morning and left common sense in the corner, you would realize AB of Seattle has been thrust into something we weren't expecting. No worries. We will get to the truth on things without embarrassing certain people, and we don't need any help from Cooperland to do it. 

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