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5 hours ago, gggumdrops said:

Hi there, and pardon the interruption. If you don’t mind I have a theory I’d like to share and hopefully if your interested you might continue to investigate?

Did you know that in 1972 William Bradford Bishop Jr. (wanted by the FBI for murdering his family in 1976) began asking Doctors for pain medication for an undiagnosed back condition? He then moved to Botswana where he continued to ask for pain medication only now he’s failing to mention his previous requests in the US.

Why is that interesting?

Swarthy complexion 

35 years of age (in Nov of 1971)

6’1”

180lbs

Amateur pilot 

(Seemingly) plenty of experience with commercial flight

Had previously served with the US Army

French speaking

Foreign diplomat stationed in Europe just prior to 1971

Very fit 

Avid Outdoorsman 

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In 1971 he stopped writing in his diary where he wrote of psychosis, of “standing on the threshold” and of “sawing to the heights and plummeted each time to the depths”. 

Not only was he likely in a position of purchasing and reading the French language Dan Cooper comics, he also had children the appropriate age and gender to be buying them for.

In 1971 he stopped attending UCLA and moved his family back to Washington, D.C. placing him on the east coast. At first this seems to work against him having been D.B..Cooper, however if you consider that he may have wanted to hide his escapades from his family then it might have been essential.

He ticks EVERY box and then asks for “back pain” medication following the hijacking!

I don’t need confirmation from Tina Mucklow to confirm my suspicions, however I think it’d be crazy if she weren’t asked.

I’m not an expert on either case I’ve just watched a couple of YouTube videos and read a couple of articles. It’s all second hand information and I’ve probably made mistakes, however I’m capable of putting 2 and 2 together and am without doubt that if you investigate further you won’t be disappointed.

Thanks for reading.

P.S. I posted this on webslueths but didn’t get any love, I’m really just hoping to pass this on to Larry Carr or anyone with the necessary expertise to better judge.

Cheers.

This chin would be a disqualifier for me. Practically a zero chance that witnesses wouldn't have commented on that huge butt-chin. 

That would certainly be a very noticeable feature and the sketch artist for Cooper, Roy Rose, said in a later interview that Cooper's "protruding lower lip" was the only unique facial feature that anyone told him about regarding Cooper. 

 

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If we start imagining the use of middle names and titles wherever it's convenient for us, we could probably get whatever names we want to fit into the redacted spots... we should continue to assume the FBI standard, which seems to be full first and last names... which would happen to be FLORENCE SCHAFFNER in this instance.

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1 minute ago, Coopericane said:

If we start imagining the use of middle names and titles wherever we please, we can probably get whatever name we want to fit in the redacted spaces... we should assume the FBI standard, which is their full first and last names... which would be FLORENCE SCHAFFNER in this instance.

Florence Schaffner does fit but the report is from Denver and "she" states the forehead is slightly wide.. Alice said that earlier. Both suggest Alice unless we find some other piece..

But, all three stews generally agreed on the final sketch B..

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4 minutes ago, FLYJACK said:

Florence Schaffner does fit but the report is from Denver and "she" states the forehead is slightly wide.. Alice said that earlier. Both suggest Alice unless we find some other piece..

But, all three stews generally agreed on the final sketch B..

Ok, good points. Using Mrs seems believable too, and the use of middle names might not be as rare as I thought...

Also potentially problematic is the interchangeability of FLO SCHAFFNER and FLORENCE SCHAFFNER...  though I believe they usually referred to her Florence, right?

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12 minutes ago, Coopericane said:

Ok, good points. Using Mrs seems believable too, and the use of middle names might not be as rare as I thought...

Also potentially problematic is the interchangeability of FLO SCHAFFNER and FLORENCE SCHAFFNER...  though I believe they usually referred to her Florence, right?

Different agents write different 302's, so there is no real standard.

The non-redacted Gray files use Mr. and Mrs.

All I know for certain is "Alice Garley Hancock" does not fit that redaction..

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35 minutes ago, Coopericane said:

Ok, good points. Using Mrs seems believable too, and the use of middle names might not be as rare as I thought...

Also potentially problematic is the interchangeability of FLO SCHAFFNER and FLORENCE SCHAFFNER...  though I believe they usually referred to her Florence, right?

Garley was her maiden name. They used it for her sometimes and other times not. This is the issue with trying to fill in the redactions. At various times you'll get

Florence Schaffner, Flo Schaffner, Miss Florence Schaffner, Miss Schaffner, Florence, Flo

Tina Mucklow, Tina Ann Mucklow, Miss Tina Mucklow, Miss Mucklow, Tina

Mrs. Alice Garley Hancock, Alice Hanock, Alice Garley Hancock, Mrs. Hancock, Alice

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11 hours ago, gggumdrops said:

Hi there, and pardon the interruption. If you don’t mind I have a theory I’d like to share and hopefully if your interested you might continue to investigate?

Did you know that in 1972 William Bradford Bishop Jr. (wanted by the FBI for murdering his family in 1976) began asking Doctors for pain medication for an undiagnosed back condition? He then moved to Botswana where he continued to ask for pain medication only now he’s failing to mention his previous requests in the US.

Why is that interesting?

Swarthy complexion 

35 years of age (in Nov of 1971)

6’1”

180lbs

Amateur pilot 

(Seemingly) plenty of experience with commercial flight

Had previously served with the US Army

French speaking

Foreign diplomat stationed in Europe just prior to 1971

Very fit 

Avid Outdoorsman 

spacer.png

In 1971 he stopped writing in his diary where he wrote of psychosis, of “standing on the threshold” and of “sawing to the heights and plummeted each time to the depths”. 

Not only was he likely in a position of purchasing and reading the French language Dan Cooper comics, he also had children the appropriate age and gender to be buying them for.

In 1971 he stopped attending UCLA and moved his family back to Washington, D.C. placing him on the east coast. At first this seems to work against him having been D.B..Cooper, however if you consider that he may have wanted to hide his escapades from his family then it might have been essential.

He ticks EVERY box and then asks for “back pain” medication following the hijacking!

I don’t need confirmation from Tina Mucklow to confirm my suspicions, however I think it’d be crazy if she weren’t asked.

I’m not an expert on either case I’ve just watched a couple of YouTube videos and read a couple of articles. It’s all second hand information and I’ve probably made mistakes, however I’m capable of putting 2 and 2 together and am without doubt that if you investigate further you won’t be disappointed.

Thanks for reading.

P.S. I posted this on webslueths but didn’t get any love, I’m really just hoping to pass this on to Larry Carr or anyone with the necessary expertise to better judge.

Cheers.

Medication requests could be a good indicator of something. Being from far away is not a disqualifier. I find it hard to believe that the hijacker was from or lived in Portland or Seattle after the hijacking. Even to this day that area is inundated with news stories and info about the hijacking. The belief that this guy hijacked a plane and then went about going to work in the same area is a big stretch. 
 

As for your suspect. Keep digging. You never know. 35 seems young. And if the comic book was not connected then everyone who uses it as a connection is wasting their time. 

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39 minutes ago, CooperNWO305 said:

Medication requests could be a good indicator of something. Being from far away is not a disqualifier. I find it hard to believe that the hijacker was from or lived in Portland or Seattle after the hijacking. Even to this day that area is inundated with news stories and info about the hijacking. The belief that this guy hijacked a plane and then went about going to work in the same area is a big stretch. 
 

As for your suspect. Keep digging. You never know. 35 seems young. And if the comic book was not connected then everyone who uses it as a connection is wasting their time. 

simple: submit his dna and his prints. Something actionable otherwise this is just one more phantom.

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Some people need to discredit Rataczak and Soderlind to move Cooper's LZ south.... not happening.

Cooper jumped minutes before the call to Soderlind in the suburbs of Portland,, Soderlind was listening in and taking notes. He used those notes to establish Cooper's LZ.. He also used the FDR data including heading..

Rataczak was consistent..

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2 hours ago, FLYJACK said:

Some people need to discredit Rataczak and Soderlind to move Cooper's LZ south.... not happening.

Cooper jumped minutes before the call to Soderlind in the suburbs of Portland,, Soderlind was listening in and taking notes. He used those notes to establish Cooper's LZ.. He also used the FDR data including heading..

Rataczak was consistent..

 

 

I gather the same author of a 'Columbia LZ' is trying to 'merge' the Zodiak and Cooper cases ?  Why?  I fail to see what these cases have in common ?

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21 hours ago, olemisscub said:

This chin would be a disqualifier for me. Practically a zero chance that witnesses wouldn't have commented on that huge butt-chin. 

That would certainly be a very noticeable feature and the sketch artist for Cooper, Roy Rose, said in a later interview that Cooper's "protruding lower lip" was the only unique facial feature that anyone told him about regarding Cooper. 

 

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and the chances of Cooper becoming a mass murderer in 1976 is virtually nil..

and the obvious mole? on his cheek eliminates him..

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1 hour ago, FLYJACK said:

and the chances of Cooper becoming a mass murderer in 1976 is virtually nil..

and the obvious mole? on his cheek eliminates him..

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That chin is a giveaway!  It amazes me how far people are willing to go to stretch somebody into the Cooper category. It started with Barb Dayton a woman (Smith etal). What is next? A chimpanzee ?  

The 'theorists' are not keeping up with the recent data! Whatever Cooper's precise LZ was, Cooper and the money were NOT in the Columbia for at least one year after the hijacking. That is now an established fact based on the rubber bands history. The money and the bands were in a warm/hot dry environment for at least one year after Nov 24, 1971. That is an undeniable NEW fact. The Columbia river does not fit those conditions.  

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I’d just like to thank you all for reading my post, I understand that giving another persons point of view objective consideration can be difficult and for that I’m grateful.

My apologies if I’ve in some way stretched the truth that was not my intent. I think I’ve found an individual who has many characteristics that were also “possibly” possessed by Cooper. Some of these characteristics are uncommon and when considered cumulatively Bishop seems to me to be one of very few. When taking this into consideration I find it difficult to reconcile other details of Bishop’s life as mere coincidence.

I agree with many of your criticisms however I disagree that these discrepancies diminish my argument for Bishop as a legitimate possibility. I’m not interested in convincing anyone to agree with what I’ve suggested, I just wanted to communicate something that I’ve “stumbled upon” to those most invested in the case. I think I’ve accomplished that so I’ll leave you to it, good luck solving Cooper I’ve no doubt you’ll get there in the end.

Sincerely.

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US Attorney,, at the time Cooper committed his offence it was a capital offense,, there was no statute of limitations...  

The John Doe warrant was not necessary and was done for another reason.. 

IMO, it would have had the effect of disuading Cooper from talking...  if Cooper believed there was a statute of limitations he may have talked.. (if he was alive)

 

 

 

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3 hours ago, FLYJACK said:

More large money frags found on TBAR.. the one at the end of the clip looks like it has many layers to it..

it actually looks like the top layers of a packet..

 

 

Looking at these vids its apparent the fragments are being pulled from the area Crystal Ingram identified vs the area Harold identified - ie. 20ft from the shoreline, not 40ft. For scale, the grid lines are 20ft wide.

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5 hours ago, gggumdrops said:

I’d just like to thank you all for reading my post, I understand that giving another persons point of view objective consideration can be difficult and for that I’m grateful.

My apologies if I’ve in some way stretched the truth that was not my intent. I think I’ve found an individual who has many characteristics that were also “possibly” possessed by Cooper. Some of these characteristics are uncommon and when considered cumulatively Bishop seems to me to be one of very few. When taking this into consideration I find it difficult to reconcile other details of Bishop’s life as mere coincidence.

I agree with many of your criticisms however I disagree that these discrepancies diminish my argument for Bishop as a legitimate possibility. I’m not interested in convincing anyone to agree with what I’ve suggested, I just wanted to communicate something that I’ve “stumbled upon” to those most invested in the case. I think I’ve accomplished that so I’ll leave you to it, good luck solving Cooper I’ve no doubt you’ll get there in the end.

Sincerely.

There is absolutely nothing any of us can do about suspects proposed .... seems to me all of this needs to be presented to the FBI with "actionable" data attached: dna, fingerprints, $20 Cooper bills, parachute, etc. There are so many suspects by now the system is clogged by them all. Every presenter is "sure" his or her suspect is the real DB Cooper. You could spend ten lifetimes processing them all and still wind up at a dead end! 

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Georger, Thanks for calling to check on me with the storm approaching..my phone read "scam likely" so that was the reason I became defensive. anyway, as we spoke on the phone I'm on the east coast and the storm is on the west side and will be a danger to those folks in Naples up to the Tampa area..we will only be getting Tropical force winds (39-74 mph) here in Fort Lauderdale and only calls for removing small objects that might take flight..a shit load of rain is coming and already started this morning so a lot of flooding will occur.., actually, my phone just went off alerting of tornado warnings and flood warnings....typical with this type of weather..

 

Shutter

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4 hours ago, mrshutter45 said:

Georger, Thanks for calling to check on me with the storm approaching..my phone read "scam likely" so that was the reason I became defensive. anyway, as we spoke on the phone I'm on the east coast and the storm is on the west side and will be a danger to those folks in Naples up to the Tampa area..we will only be getting Tropical force winds (39-74 mph) here in Fort Lauderdale and only calls for removing small objects that might take flight..a shit load of rain is coming and already started this morning so a lot of flooding will occur.., actually, my phone just went off alerting of tornado warnings and flood warnings....typical with this type of weather..

 

Shutter

Glad I found you ok.... also talked to four former classmates in FL tonight - we just had a Reunion here in Iowa ten days ago! So far everyone ok. Your tornado warnings in your area made it on the Weather channel tonight just after we talked! ................   Thanks!

Take care OM .... 

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On 9/23/2022 at 9:19 PM, FLYJACK said:

I think what happened was sketch B was made in a process... first Gregory and Mitchell made changes then the stews, the final one was basically agreed by all. So, the early criticism were addressed..

 

Isn't Mitchell the only one that described Cooper as having the "turkey gobble" neck?

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