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  1. Leaving the Vortex. Might be back someday. I still believe WJS is Cooper. Need two mods for Reddit, neutral people. If you think you should be one, you probably shouldn’t. IM me. Good luck all.
  2. It’s awesome if Ryan or someone is in contact with Tina. Huge win.
  3. Darren's latest podcast. Some responses here. Darren seems to have asked some harder questions this time. Good to see. He seems less married to Barb being Clara now. He also was skeptical about her traveling to send the letters. I hope future podcasts have new material and are not just a better version of Facebook Live. I think we may have just run out of solid material to work with. Good to see Darren maybe back in the Vortex. Two podcasts in a row Darren and his guests said Vordahl was not close to being Cooper. That seems to be lost on Nicky. DNA. Chris used the term "easy" as in testing the Gunther stamp for DNA. He must know something I don't know. Given that I'm the one who had the testing done, I'll elaborate. You can't just take a stamp and test for STR and SNP at the same time. Maybe if you had vial of blood to work with, but that is not the way it works. My focus is SNP testing, not spending my money and time doing one of testing on a suspect like Barb who you guys have now invented a story behind and are adjusting things as you go. Also, just because DNA has been extracted does not mean it is in the right form, or that we have enough to go playing around with it. Think like this. When you go to the doctor and they take blood, they take multiple vials for different tests. The blood gets used up, just like the DNA. I'm not using it up on Barb. Come on. What a joke. I recommend that the Dayton team get Barb's DNA in SNP form and get that loaded into GED Match. If they want to do STR, then go for it. Don't say "we can do it" do it. SNP is the best because if it is not Barb (which we know it won't be) or Smith or anyone else, we can still find out who. If all else fails, I will work the STR angle. However, if I rule out Smith, Clair, Gunther, etc, then I'm right where EU is if he does an STR profile. I have then test every male's DNA who was alive in 1972. Yes I have Smith relatives ready to test, but I prefer a male child, which he does not have. In terms of me not wanting to give the results if it is Barb or someone else. I get it, I know how Chris operates, I got the backhanded comment. He dropped the underhanded comment that Nicky would tell us if he had exculpatory evidence on Vordahl, like he has some sort of integrity. We already have plenty that rules him out, but Nicky keeps going. Vordahl used hair gel in high school, was on the rifle team, wrote a few letters to the newspaper (that's what people did back then, now they tweet and use Facebook), etc. etc. You threw a softball question at him at CC and set it up that he was a good guy for coming off Klansnic because of the blue eyes and mole. Nicky came off Klansnic just like he came off Rackstraw, to go to a new suspect. A guy that fakes being a nurse to catfish someone is not someone who would normally rate the word integrity. Nicky's whole life in the Vortex for the past few months has been discrediting Smith and Gunther. He's got some followers, but luckily you guys spend most of your time talking about other things. At least you stand for something. But I get it, you guys are now all friendly with Smith's daughter and in contact and Nicky is the mascot of the group, nice to everyone. Like Eddie Haskell. I think he's just an internet troll. We have a few of those. I'm not dropping Smith. I was ready before CC to slow down, but given the ridiculous rebuttals from that camp, I am pushing ahead in earnest. I don't need the Vortex to give approval on my approach, what matters is what the DNA shows, what the FBI, IRS, and Treasury think, and what the public thinks, to include the media, not the echo chamber in the group. I offered to address things one on one behind the scenes, but all bets are off now. As for people willing to pay for DNA testing. Right now the bill is $3000. That will continue to go up. So if you want to take a dent out of things, hit me up offline. A $20 donation is not going to cut it. The technology is advancing, I have a number of options, but some will take time, and may involve me going out of the country to get done. Chris claimed that EU can only get STR and not SNP data. False. EU may only be trying to get STR. However, even with three profiles, it is technically possible. However, this costs money, and may require advancements in technology, not to mention getting around a lot of rules/laws/procedures. Good to see you are still on the money theory that it landed and then got washed into a flood. I'm ok with that. It's odd that you take Marty's analysis as gospel, but not Tom's diatom research. Peer reviews are done before you present evidence. Not after. Who do you have in mind for peer reviews? I've been in contact with the creator of the Signature program, does that count? Nice lovefest too. Half the podcast was telling us how great certain people in the Vortex are. The buddy buddy social club you guys have makes it so no one ever questions anything. I get it, some people are smart, some people are good guys. Let's talk data and reality. You used to stand for neutrality and critical thinking, what happened? Had to throw in the anti EU stuff too. Calling out Vince Peterson. I know EU does not check here or waste is time with podcasts, oh well. Your group is clearly anti-EU, yet he is the one getting publicity for the case. And last but not least, you called for peer review on the Barb letters, but continued to say multiple times how you think the analysis is good and is accurate. FYI, it's dead in the water. I'll get a video out on it, or a paper. I just would like to know once it's debunked, will people go back to saying Gunther made it up? Will Marty go back to thinking LeClair is Cooper? My guess is people will keep pushing Barb, and slink away from the letters, or all of a sudden agree that there are multiple issues with the analysis. I like Marty's approach. I'm in a STEM field, and appreciate how he thinks. His mistake was letting the Vortex push him into putting something out that was not ready for primetime. I'd reccomend in the future to vett something like that through someone like Georger, or Flyjack, or Tom Kaye. I'd say me too, but I get it, people wanted to use it to discredit Smith. Hint, doing some Google searches should tell you the sample size is too small, regardelss of if it is in Polish or English. Fun fact, posts on DZ and the Cooper Forum are not too short in aggregate. I did some fun testing and did find a perfect match for two posters on the old Cooper Forum. Multiple screen names with many posts. I'll get my video out soon, I hope.
  4. On the percentages, if DNA is 99%, then there is no way Stylometry can be even close. Even in the Unabomber case which was more forensic linguistics as a whole versus the subset of Stylometry, they still needed a warrant once they had the analysis. The forensic linguistics helped get the warrant, but it took a lot more to solve the case. I’ll get into it later, but hypothesis testing is not proof per se like a blood test or DNA would be or a measurement of chemical makeup in a product. The 97% although understood by us in the statistics field, and those with schooling like Marty, has been misunderstood or misappropriated by others here in this situation. 97% would indicate something you would bet your whole pot in poker on.
  5. For those who listened to the Barb/Clara podcast. I’m curious to get your impression of what 97% match means. Marty has already explained, but I’d like to get other impressions. Do you compare it to something like a .970 batting average or 97% free throw percentage or 97% chance that a King high straight flush will win on the river Kind of in your own words. The DZ group for all its disagreement, does seem to have the most concentrated group of more experienced/educated etc. individuals. Higher ed is represented here, and even if not, there are mostly bright people here, even if we don’t all like eachother. And a good amount of you are not on the FB group.
  6. Georger. I vaguely remember you had some connection to linguistics along with your math background. This stylometry is basically part of forensic linguistics. Your input would be interesting.
  7. R is what I work with. I’ve seen some amazing things done with it, and I can’t hold a candle to some of the people I work with.
  8. Where did you come up with the belief that word use is not relevant in Stylometry, and that’s not how Stylometry works? Why is word use meaningless? Also curious to hear more details about why a 20 year old program is as good as say one updated recently? Did I say somewhere that word count was the only part of stylometry?
  9. Ok. Makes sense. I’m less impressed with the 97%, just given my experience. However, I am excited to interact with everything and see how people interact with things too. I was up late watching YouTube videos on coding and programming to help dust some cobwebs off before I fire up the more complex programs to look at these letters. I should have been at a bar. :). I’m trying to understand if the comments here are in reference to just the Signature program or Stylometry as a whole. As in, if Stylo works, does that mean Signature works? I’m sensing that the Signature results are being looked at as gospel. That seems unusual given the education and experience level of this group. I’ll put old differences aside and continue to see how this plays out. Jude and Chris both have unique backgrounds and experiences and I am interested to see what they learn. Jude has an app and Chris is a professor. Both will have access to people who can evaluate the letters. I definitely want to understand Marty’s steps. I have the program downloaded and running. It’s pretty quick and simple. I just want to duplicate what he did.
  10. As someone who thinks Gunther probably made it up, do you really believe it is a 97% match? Programs are wrong. Data input can be wrong, mistakes are made. The program interprets input. I’ve already identified a major mistake in input, and I’ll get more into it when I reply to Chaucer. Eric was 98% sure that Sheridan is Cooper. Granted he did not use a program. The Signature program does not come out and say “these two letters are a 97% match”. Statistics are more than that. It takes interpretation. I’m good to see this simmer and see what ideas people come up with. This is a field that I work in, and I’ve seen so many incidents of people making mistakes and assumptions. Good, honest people. Myself included. It happens. When analyzing data it is vital to understand context and to still do a smell test. Looking at both letters will tell you they are different.
  11. Check out page 53-54 in the book. It’s clear that it was Woodburn. They mention Aurora and there is a map. They also visit the spot later in the book.
  12. I can see the logic. Whether true or not, I suspected that the caller/writer wanted to tell someone of the crime. He could not do it in a public way and give all the true info. So he brags to Gunther. He gives a name that is close to someone he knows well and uses much of that guy’s life as his own. This is very common in novels. I just got done with a great John Grisham book and he writes how it was loosely based on a real story, at least parts. Lee Child does it. Michael Connelly. It happens. We write about what we know. Now maybe Gunther knew a LeClair. It just seemed odd that there was a Dan Clair in the military records who was born in Canada and moved to Newark and joined the Army. And that his wife shared the same birthday with Clara. And the guy was born like 60 miles from the real LeClair’s birthplace. Canada is a big country. That was my logic. Marty helped with the military records when I was still learning the Ancestry interface. His notes to Ralph could be edited. He may have more notes. In the Ralph notes the name is Collins. LeClair is not really that common of a name. The notes don’t match up exactly with the book. Someone could probably list those out. Like in the notes it’s Gettysburg college and in the book it’s Rutgers. Someone can say it’s not Dan Clair. Ok. I’ve made my points and it’s not worth debating anymore. But if someone says people don’t make up stories using people they know, I’ll call BS on them. I can see how there is debate. I’ve stated in the past that one scenario is that Gunther made it up, or at least parts. But I’m finding that harder and harder to believe. I still like the approach that some folks are taking to look at records and try to find out who these people were. In 1972 and 1982, no one dreamed that the internet would make all of this easy to find. Or sort of easy. Edit. Of note. All the info came from Clara for the most part. I don’t think if Cooper had jumped that Clara would have seen the chute. I can’t see him carrying it. It’s a simple mistake to think the captain came back to talk to Cooper. Cooper did talk to the cockpit. To me, those are weak ways to discount the whole book.
  13. It looks like it was Ron who came up with the idea that Barb was Cooper.
  14. It sounds like there might be some confusion. As much as we all disagree about things in the Vortex, I don’t think any of us believe Barb was Cooper. There may be one or two outside the Formans. This all has to do with whether or not she is Clara. For all the people who were convinced that Max made the whole thing up, they sure did change their minds quickly.