skyjack71 0 #47226 February 11, 2014 377Jo wroteQuoteHis [Duane's] knowledge of ham radios (extensive), I really doubt that Jo. Hams and CB "jock carriers" dont mix real well. I see no evidence that Duane ever held and FCC license of any kind. How could you credibly judge what the extent of Duane's ham radio expertise was? Duane's CB-aircraft dual band two way radio is vaporware Jo. it never existed. Yet you persist in believing that it did. At best some guys in a plane may have had a CB radio but even that is highly doubtful. It's also possible that some prankster CBers pretended they were transmitting from a plane. Jo, how did you first learn about Sheridan Peterson's job as a Bubbleator operator? 377 1. CB's His ex-wife told me he had a ham radio and that he used it extensively. His name was John Collins in those yrs. I do know he was very familiar with them - he fixed what-ever it was that came in our our TV from the ham operator next door. Smoke jumpers & forestry used hams to communicate to the towers and for communication between the towers. didn't realize I knew that until this moment. Maybe I just dreamed it up! 2. Plane to CB The airplane communication was coming in on the CB...no question about that. It was not mumbo jumbo from a trucker or someone playing a game. Duane even mentioned a tower not too far from there - it was part of his explanation as to why it came in on the CB. I do not know what kind of tower it was. It was flat land in Wy somewhere near Laramie....I believe we were West of Laramie at the time. 3. Sheridan Petersen A. Duane told me this on our trip to Seattle. He mentioned a couple of guys who did some jumping & this is when he mentioned Sheridan Petersen, but NOT by name that I recall. He told me about the Bubbleator (explaining to me what it was) and how it worked and that he knew a guy who had done that in WA. Seemed to be connected to the 2 jumper & like maybe he was with them...that is the drift I remember. B. The time he used Sheridan's name was a picture of a bus with Sheridan Petersen in front of it and to the right of the picture. This was in Atlanta and I believe the old picture was connected some how to a celebration of Martin Luther King. Duane told me he knew the man in the picture. It was Sheridan Peterson - he also said something else that I will keep to myself at this time. You wouldn't believe me anyway...and the wording eludes me right now.Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
georger 197 #47227 February 11, 2014 Robert99 ***Jo wrote: Quote Anyone who is really interested in solving this case needs to read what I am putting on the thread today. This information needs research far above my capabilities with dial-up & limited capabilities to know how to search certain things. Your help is sincerely appreciated. Jo, Since this has become your life's work and possible swan song shouldn't you reconsider dial up and go to something better? Fast internet access abounds and can be quite inexpensive. Bruce probably thinks you already have rooms full of servers, web crawlers galore and several T 10 lines. Maybe even an encrypted hotline to your "handlers" in Langley, Capetown and Quantico. 377 Jo is just trying to keep her career as an undercover FBI agent out of the thread. But she meets all the requirements for undercover work. She claims other people are covert agents, that she hates the FBI although actually working for them, etc., etc.. Bruce is probably right about her computer equipment. Robert99 What I find curious is she always complains about not seeing posts/images .... can't post images ... then two days later an image appears along with her post - over and over. Maybe she needs glasses? Jo go to the eye glasses rack at the drug store! Start at the bottom of the rack and work up ... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
377 20 #47228 February 12, 2014 Georger wroteQuoteJo go to the eye glasses rack at the drug store! Start at the bottom of the rack and work up ... She is waaaay ahead of that G. Jo was a very early beta tester and UI tech adviser for Google Glasses. Just being around Duane gave her the equivalent of a BSEE. Dialup? Yeah right. More like beamup. Fiber right to her desk and tracking laser sat links as backups. Bruce is right. How could we have been so blind? 3772018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skyjack71 0 #47229 February 12, 2014 377 Georger wrote Quote Jo go to the eye glasses rack at the drug store! Start at the bottom of the rack and work up ... She is waaaay ahead of that G. Jo was a very early beta tester and UI tech adviser for Google Glasses. Just being around Duane gave her the equivalent of a BSEE. Dialup? Yeah right. More like beamup. Fiber right to her desk and tracking laser sat links as backups. Bruce is right. How could we have been so blind? 377 Laughing so HARD it hurts to breath! REALLY having problems seeing the screen. The cataract in the left eye needs to be addressed but because of the lid and the dry eye - not sure I am a candidate. Good news is it doesn't look like glaucoma or detached retina. To have another evaluation the end of the month...by a specialist....regarding the cataract. Computer skills: U REALLY do NOT want to know about that!Self taught -never had anyone show me how to do something...I just stumble along until I accidentally make it work and then the next time don't remember how I did it.Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ParrotheadVol 70 #47230 February 12, 2014 Jo, a few weeks ago you were saying that Duane and Bernie Geestman were acquaintances. Now, you are saying that Duane knew Sheridan Peterson? I'm sorry and I'm not trying to be mean, but this all belongs on a soap opera."They were saying he was never gonna make it now, now that daylight had set in. But later that night, they were shining those lights back down on that mountain again." - Todd Snider Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
377 20 #47231 February 12, 2014 ParrotheadVol Jo, a few weeks ago you were saying that Duane and Bernie Geestman were acquaintances. Now, you are saying that Duane knew Sheridan Peterson? I'm sorry and I'm not trying to be mean, but this all belongs on a soap opera. Duane was obviously a very dedicated trouble groupie. JFK, RFK, MLK, DBC... Somehow he missed it when the Pope was shot. You gotta choose your continent. A guy cant be everywhere. Hey, dont be so skeptical, it coulda happened. As my statistical physics professor said: "Amazing coincidences do happen, but not very often. The more amazing, the less often." 3772018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skyjack71 0 #47232 February 12, 2014 airtwardo Quote I jumped several times with an aymmetric bag. For me it's not just a job - it's an adventure! Evidently you are the good looking one with the bag - but who are the others? One looks like Rudoph the red NOSE reindeer, but who are the other two?Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skyjack71 0 #47233 February 12, 2014 377 ***Jo, a few weeks ago you were saying that Duane and Bernie Geestman were acquaintances. Now, you are saying that Duane knew Sheridan Peterson? I'm sorry and I'm not trying to be mean, but this all belongs on a soap opera. Duane was obviously a very dedicated trouble groupie. JFK, RFK, MLK, DBC... Somehow he missed it when the Pope was shot. You gotta choose your continent. A guy cant be everywhere. Hey, dont be so skeptical, it coulda happened. As my statistical physics professor said: "Amazing coincidences do happen, but not very often. The more amazing, the less often." 377 I don't recall stating Geestman and Duane were friends....I am referring to the woman who Rode horses standing. Was she the one married to Geestman? If Geestman was her husband then maybe Duane knew him. I do NOT know during which yrs Duane knew the woman - but he talked about her and not her husband on our way to Seattle from Vancouver. WHY the HELL do you think I want to contact her - she might be the last living person who knew Weber! BUT no BLEVINS keeps that a big secret - I don't want to talk to her about Cooper - I want to know if she remembers Duane - I would like to know this before she dies. If she is the one married to Geestman then maybe Duane knew both of them. The only thing Duane said about Paradise is the BOYS used to stay there. So Parrothead - if I stated that Geestman knew Duane - please direct me to that post!Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
377 20 #47234 February 12, 2014 skyjack71 *** Quote I jumped several times with an aymmetric bag. For me it's not just a job - it's an adventure! Evidently you are the good looking one with the bag - but who are the others? One looks like Rudoph the red NOSE reindeer, but who are the other two? Here is the picture Jo is referring to: http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?do=post_attachment;postatt_id=142013; Look at the huge PYRO packages carried by these exhibition jumpers on their boots. Holy Cow Batman. Janet sure could have seen them exiting. I heard stories from old timers about demo jumpers getting seriously burned in freefall from malfunctioning flare and smoke gear. Does that ever worry you Airtwardo? Jumping is dangrous enough without producing a fireworks show while you are doing it. 3772018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ParrotheadVol 70 #47235 February 12, 2014 skyjack71 ******Jo, a few weeks ago you were saying that Duane and Bernie Geestman were acquaintances. Now, you are saying that Duane knew Sheridan Peterson? I'm sorry and I'm not trying to be mean, but this all belongs on a soap opera. Duane was obviously a very dedicated trouble groupie. JFK, RFK, MLK, DBC... Somehow he missed it when the Pope was shot. You gotta choose your continent. A guy cant be everywhere. Hey, dont be so skeptical, it coulda happened. As my statistical physics professor said: "Amazing coincidences do happen, but not very often. The more amazing, the less often." 377 I don't recall stating Geestman and Duane were friends....I am referring to the woman who Rode horses standing. Was she the one married to Geestman? If Geestman was her husband then maybe Duane knew him. I do NOT know during which yrs Duane knew the woman - but he talked about her and not her husband on our way to Seattle from Vancouver. WHY the HELL do you think I want to contact her - she might be the last living person who knew Weber! BUT no BLEVINS keeps that a big secret - I don't want to talk to her about Cooper - I want to know if she remembers Duane - I would like to know this before she dies. If she is the one married to Geestman then maybe Duane knew both of them. The only thing Duane said about Paradise is the BOYS used to stay there. So Parrothead - if I stated that Geestman knew Duane - please direct me to that post! I'm not going to go back and look for it, at least not right now. But a month or so ago, you made a post that implied that Geestman knew that Duane was the real hijacker and that he played dumb with the Decoded guys because he didn't want to reveal that Weber was actually DBC. I don't remember the exact quote, but it was something to that effect."They were saying he was never gonna make it now, now that daylight had set in. But later that night, they were shining those lights back down on that mountain again." - Todd Snider Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skyjack71 0 #47236 February 12, 2014 377 ***Jo, a few weeks ago you were saying that Duane and Bernie Geestman were acquaintances. Now, you are saying that Duane knew Sheridan Peterson? I'm sorry and I'm not trying to be mean, but this all belongs on a soap opera. Duane was obviously a very dedicated trouble groupie. JFK, RFK, MLK, DBC... Somehow he missed it when the Pope was shot. You gotta choose your continent. A guy cant be everywhere. Hey, dont be so skeptical, it coulda happened. As my statistical physics professor said: "Amazing coincidences do happen, but not very often. The more amazing, the less often." 377 Get something straight here. Duane talked about the Woman who rode Horses standing up. I have NEVER read Blevins book so I do NOT know which of the women he mentioned rode horses standing up. Duane did talk about a man he knew who had move to the Coast of Wa. Was that Geestman? I don't know, but since it was the same area - and evidently Geestman was familiar with Paradaise - it could be possible. WHY I WANT TO TALK TO GEESTMAND THE WOMAN WHO ROAD HORSES STANDING. I am trying to find answers. The woman standing who road horses I told to Mr. H and other way before BLEVINS ever entered the picture with his story. LET me take this opportunity to point out something else. I was talking about the Woman who rode horses and Paradise park - way way BEFORE Kenny Christiansen was ever introduced as suspect....also NOTE this I actually answered Porteous long before Blevins did. I have been searching since 1996 - CHristainsen did NOT become a suspect until 2007 (not sure of the date). Yet, I told Mr. Himmelsbach and anyone who would listen about the woman and the park - which I found out was Paradise Park. Actually I accused Blevins at one time of getting that information from another location and using the things about Duane and applying them to Belvins. This has always been a curiosity and Blevins knows I communicated this information to him. I just thought it a strange parallel. I have since just discounted it as co-incidence, but would like to speak with both Geestman and the woman who rode horses standing - I want to know! So figure out where you are going to stick that feather!Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skyjack71 0 #47237 February 12, 2014 Quote I'm not going to go back and look for it, at least not right now. But a month or so ago, you made a post that implied that Geestman knew that Duane was the real hijacker and that he played dumb with the Decoded guys because he didn't want to reveal that Weber was actually DBC. I don't remember the exact quote, but it was something to that effect. I am not going to even try to look it up. I remember that Geestman was giving the crew a bad time....he knew KC was not Cooper. I did mention that Duane had spoke about Paradise Park and the WOMAN who rode Horse Stand. I didn't and still do NOT know if she was Geestman's wife or not. Blevins will NOT even share that information with me. WHY does he want to keep me from talking to her. WHY does he NOT want her to see the pictures of Duane Weber and be told the other names he used. Maybe she was just an act at the fair - maybe that is all there was to it....stands to reason if that is Geestmans wife - then did she know Duane and if she did it stands possibly that Geestman knew him also. Duane did NOT use the name of the man - but it was all in the same conversation at the same point on the trip....Paradise Park and the woman who Rode Horses Standing BARE foot and The coast line and a place on the Beach where they worked redoing a park (the CC's did that work) along with some young men in the prison system because of the over crowding of McNeil - a man who was a sheriff north of Seattle arranged for some of the first offender to work with the CC's. The history on McNeil just sort of let this slide as it was one of the first experiments in this area in the penal system. This was arranged by early release almost immediately after intake - about 6 wks. Friends of the family in WA arranged this because of a relationship with family friends. I need to write all of this down. AT one time I posted in the thread the names and the locations and now I can't remember them...and don't know where it is in all of this Garbage.Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Robert99 37 #47238 February 12, 2014 377 Q didn't even ask to see the captured flying disc or the embalmed aliens, as he had already seen the full report and didnt want to be perceived as a gawking tourist in Dreamland. You can forget about the captured flying saucers and the bodies of little green men in the icebox. Back in the early 1970s, a UFO group went on a campaign to "prove" that those little green men's bodies were in a specific building (they even listed a building number) at WPAFB. They arranged to hold a UFO convention in Dayton and when they were about 1000 miles away, they were absolutely certain in their media claims. But by the time they got to Dayton, they were reluctant to even publicly discuss UFOs. Maybe Amazon remembers these events also. Robert99 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #47239 February 12, 2014 I try not to... really... those numbnutz need some serious help. The only one who I think has perhaps has actually seen an alien.. is the HAIR dude.... something scared all his hair into that do. http://www.bing.com/images/search?q=ancient+aliens+crazy+hair+guy&qpvt=ancient+aliens+crazy+hair+guy&FORM=IGRE Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
georger 197 #47240 February 12, 2014 377 ***Jo, a few weeks ago you were saying that Duane and Bernie Geestman were acquaintances. Now, you are saying that Duane knew Sheridan Peterson? I'm sorry and I'm not trying to be mean, but this all belongs on a soap opera. Duane was obviously a very dedicated trouble groupie. JFK, RFK, MLK, DBC... Somehow he missed it when the Pope was shot. You gotta choose your continent. A guy cant be everywhere. Hey, dont be so skeptical, it coulda happened. As my statistical physics professor said: "Amazing coincidences do happen, but not very often. The more amazing, the less often." 377 The book I always recommend is: "Innumeracy" by John Paulos http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Innumeracy_%28book%29 It is the best book on random probability in coincidence, for the lay person, I know of. Any of John's books are very good. Blue Fairy tells me John was once recruited to work on aspects of the Cooper case, but declined .... laughing. No amount of conjouling would bring him over ... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
377 20 #47241 February 12, 2014 I read that book G. Very illuminating. My wife is a mathematician. She thinks most everything can be explained by functions and equations. It's just a matter of recognizing all the variables and constructing a proper model. I go with hunches and feelings. Except on altitude. I am strictly a numbers guy at terminal velocity. 3772018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #47242 February 12, 2014 377I read that book G. Very illuminating. My wife is a mathematician. She thinks most everything can be explained by functions and equations. It's just a matter of recognizing all the variables and constructing a proper model. I go with hunches and feelings. Except on altitude. I am strictly a numbers guy at terminal velocity. 377 I go with an Analog on my wrist.. and 2 Audibles in my helmet... but then again I do sketchy shit like turning jumps from 13500 into 40 second jumps. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
smokin99 0 #47243 February 12, 2014 ParrotheadVol *********Jo, a few weeks ago you were saying that Duane and Bernie Geestman were acquaintances. Now, you are saying that Duane knew Sheridan Peterson? I'm sorry and I'm not trying to be mean, but this all belongs on a soap opera. Duane was obviously a very dedicated trouble groupie. JFK, RFK, MLK, DBC... Somehow he missed it when the Pope was shot. You gotta choose your continent. A guy cant be everywhere. Hey, dont be so skeptical, it coulda happened. As my statistical physics professor said: "Amazing coincidences do happen, but not very often. The more amazing, the less often." 377 I don't recall stating Geestman and Duane were friends....I am referring to the woman who Rode horses standing. Was she the one married to Geestman? If Geestman was her husband then maybe Duane knew him. I do NOT know during which yrs Duane knew the woman - but he talked about her and not her husband on our way to Seattle from Vancouver. WHY the HELL do you think I want to contact her - she might be the last living person who knew Weber! BUT no BLEVINS keeps that a big secret - I don't want to talk to her about Cooper - I want to know if she remembers Duane - I would like to know this before she dies. If she is the one married to Geestman then maybe Duane knew both of them. The only thing Duane said about Paradise is the BOYS used to stay there. So Parrothead - if I stated that Geestman knew Duane - please direct me to that post! I'm not going to go back and look for it, at least not right now. But a month or so ago, you made a post that implied that Geestman knew that Duane was the real hijacker and that he played dumb with the Decoded guys because he didn't want to reveal that Weber was actually DBC. I don't remember the exact quote, but it was something to that effect. You don't have to look for it. That is Jo's MO. She accosts every new poster that comes on here and either recognizes their style of writing or their avatar or their user name or whatever..... 9 times out of 10 that person has tried to contact her in the past or tried to scam her or tried to get all of her information or tried to whatever...... She tries to connect Duane to every single other DB candidate that ever was -- hedging bets so if Duane wasn't the actual man, he was the guy on the ground or whatever. I actually like Jo and I'm not dissing her. I have helped her with several things she has asked for and I will probably continue to do so as I see fit. I haven't a clue whether she was really legit when she first started this quest -- but I used to think that she at least believed what she was saying. But after a while you just have to say wtf??? Hey, Duane Weber might even be DB Cooper. Stranger things have happened. But over the years Jo has just gotten in too deep and tried to connect too many threads. I mean come on...every flippin thing that comes up does not have to be about Duane. *sigh* Jo is also not above a little manipulation. For these reasons, whatever credibility she ever had has suffered. Yep, Jo tries to pull the dumb blonde thing, but Jo is not stupid. But she does have an agenda and for whatever reason will not admit that, in some areas, she is her own worse enemy.but....A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on.....Winston Churchill Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
georger 197 #47244 February 12, 2014 smokin99 ************Jo, a few weeks ago you were saying that Duane and Bernie Geestman were acquaintances. Now, you are saying that Duane knew Sheridan Peterson? I'm sorry and I'm not trying to be mean, but this all belongs on a soap opera. Duane was obviously a very dedicated trouble groupie. JFK, RFK, MLK, DBC... Somehow he missed it when the Pope was shot. You gotta choose your continent. A guy cant be everywhere. Hey, dont be so skeptical, it coulda happened. As my statistical physics professor said: "Amazing coincidences do happen, but not very often. The more amazing, the less often." 377 I don't recall stating Geestman and Duane were friends....I am referring to the woman who Rode horses standing. Was she the one married to Geestman? If Geestman was her husband then maybe Duane knew him. I do NOT know during which yrs Duane knew the woman - but he talked about her and not her husband on our way to Seattle from Vancouver. WHY the HELL do you think I want to contact her - she might be the last living person who knew Weber! BUT no BLEVINS keeps that a big secret - I don't want to talk to her about Cooper - I want to know if she remembers Duane - I would like to know this before she dies. If she is the one married to Geestman then maybe Duane knew both of them. The only thing Duane said about Paradise is the BOYS used to stay there. So Parrothead - if I stated that Geestman knew Duane - please direct me to that post! I'm not going to go back and look for it, at least not right now. But a month or so ago, you made a post that implied that Geestman knew that Duane was the real hijacker and that he played dumb with the Decoded guys because he didn't want to reveal that Weber was actually DBC. I don't remember the exact quote, but it was something to that effect. You don't have to look for it. That is Jo's MO. She accosts every new poster that comes on here and either recognizes their style of writing or their avatar or their user name or whatever..... 9 times out of 10 that person has tried to contact her in the past or tried to scam her or tried to get all of her information or tried to whatever...... She tries to connect Duane to every single other DB candidate that ever was -- hedging bets so if Duane wasn't the actual man, he was the guy on the ground or whatever. I actually like Jo and I'm not dissing her. I have helped her with several things she has asked for and I will probably continue to do so as I see fit. I haven't a clue whether she was really legit when she first started this quest -- but I used to think that she at least believed what she was saying. But after a while you just have to say wtf. Hey, Duane Weber might even be DB Cooper. Stranger things have happened. But over the years Jo has just gotten in too deep and tried to connect too many threads. I mean come on...every flippin thing that comes up does not have to be about Duane. *sigh* Jo is also not above a little manipulation. For these reasons, whatever credibility she ever had has suffered. Yep, Jo tries to pull the dumb blonde thing, but Jo is not stupid. But she does have an agenda and for whatever reason will not admit that, in some areas, she is her own worse enemy. It could be a case of ... Innumeracy! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
377 20 #47245 February 12, 2014 Amazon wroteQuoteI go with an Analog on my wrist.. and 2 Audibles in my helmet... but then again I do sketchy shit like turning jumps from 13500 into 40 second jumps. Got ya beat on instruments Amazon. Two helmet audibles. Wrist analog (often one of your military MA2-30s) and a chest analog so my partners in crime can see how high we are without turning their head or moving their wrists. I love electronics but when it comes to altimeters I prefer simple. No code. No processors. No batteries. Just aneroid bellows, gears and a pointer. One of my fellow ham skydivers scratch built a very sophisticated digital wrist altimeter. He even made the case with a 3D printer. 3772018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skyjack71 0 #47246 February 12, 2014 1.Duane confessed to the crime by saying I 'm Dan Coooper! He did not use D.B. Cooper - yet that is what most people would have used. 2.We went to Wa. 1979 All of the things I have told about the places we went and the thing he showed me and the things he told me are true. 3. I held the damn ticket and a stub in my own hands. 4. What I have told about our trip to WA. is true. The places we went and the things he said. 5. Several people for whatever their own agenda is like to make it SOUND like I said this or that and for what-ever their motive is. Such as the most recent thing involving Geestman. I have never claimed Duane knew Geestman. Duane knew someone who lived on the coast line and the talked about Paradise Park and the woman who rode horses standing up. I even accused Blevins of reading about Duane and using Paradise Isle. The same with the woman. I had no knowledge of Geestman or the name until Blevins mentioned it - but the place and the woman with the horses (that was all I knew). Why don't you guys list the 12 things you think I lied about and see what I have to say about them. That is 7 on top of the 5 above. If you are going to accuse me of saying such and such - please reference the source - post, page number, source - be specific. Such as the post I supposedly said Duane knew Geestman. If you read before and after and within the post - I hardly believe I said what is claimed. Specifics like location - change as one learns the area. Remember that in 1979 I was not driving - I had never been to Wa., I listened and I absorbed. 1996 - When I found out who Dan Cooper was - suddenly many things I knew about Duane made sense. The t hings he told me made sense. He told me about his life in 3rd person. Yes, I do hypotesize on things - that is necessary, but I have usually indicated such. No I am not a dumb broad or clueless. Such as when he said I'm Dan Cooper - I really did NOT know who Dan Cooper was. There is a difference between being clueless, naive and lieing. Please point out with a reference post - a deliberate lie. Remember this - before and after posts are necessary to determing if I lied or if I was just participating in the conversation. If I didn't enter into the conversation except in NON negotiable parts - then what was to be gained? I really knew VERY little about the crime and nothing of the details. I am trying to see if I made a copy of those first things I put on a computer in 2001 - BEFORE unsolved mysteries. In that I talked about Paradise Park and the trip. Before My mind was contaminated by all of the stories out there and my participation in the DZ. Also until I went to WA on my own and behind the wheel of a car - I was totally confused about the places I was taken to by the crew and on the maps. When I saw them - I was about to determine by my own land marks emcompassing time and space and driving to an area East of The Dalles and East of Biggs and Rufus before turning headed West to retrace the trip by memory. When you guys compile your list - then I will print them off and answer the questions one at a time...If you throw 12 question - I won't try to answer them all at one time. I have participated in many of the discussion and I have never purposely lied that I am aware of. Maybe in the heat of a discuss - I said something in exasperation. Consider that I have also explored this myself - and tried to figure out things - such as location prior to my going to WA in 2010 on my own. Then I got the geography in order....rather than being confused by the otherdrivers and the other individuals and the conversations. It was one question after another - and I was NOT in the front seat. I was in the back seat with the crew. The other person who helped me put me in the front just like I was with Duane and on that last day of the crew I was tired and throughly confused. They had already mapped OUT their agenda. They were looking for story but had a guide who had been in WA only 2 yrs.Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Joachim77 0 #47247 February 12, 2014 I heard there are douts that he used this phrase, but IF he did, could that point to somewhere/something? Occupation (work/academia)? Region or country? Could it be terminology used in banks/accouting? If so, I have a new theory: It could be John List. He worked in a bank, maybe traded with other countries currencys and wanted to be sure he got 200.000 AMERICAN DOLLARS and not Italian Lira. (which would be like 1700 us dollars). Does this sounds plausible..? Or a little far fetched..? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Joachim77 0 #47248 February 12, 2014 Ok, then List is off the list! And for the "negotiable"-part, is that not concidered to lead anywhere? Or even being said at all? At Wikipedia it says this could maybe indicate a non US citizen. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Robert99 37 #47249 February 12, 2014 Joachim77Ok, then List is off the list! And for the "negotiable"-part, is that not concidered to lead anywhere? Or even being said at all? At Wikipedia it says this could maybe indicate a non US citizen. Or it may just indicate a US citizen who had been living abroad for some time. Then again, Cooper may not even have used that word. The only thing certain in the Cooper matter is that very little is actually certain. The rest is speculation. Note the number or writers, or would be writers, who are Cooper fanatics. "Literary license" has been taken excessively by some of those people. Robert99 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skyjack71 0 #47250 February 12, 2014 Frankly I do NOT put any weight on the expression. I was 31 in 1971 and I would NOT have considered someone saying negotiable as out of the ordinary...but then I had only been out of the US to Canada and to Haiti. No special arrangements on money that I remember, but I was only 13 when we went to Canada. If negotiable was used - to me from that time frame of my life would mean NO $100 bills The average convenience store or grocery store would raise an eyebrow or two if some one came in handing over $100 bills on a regular basis. The larger denominations meant a trip to the bank! Don't any of you see the simplicity of this? As a store manager in 1971 & 1972 - there might have been a couple of 100 bills around Christmas time and one might even question if it was counterfeit! I think you guys OVER THINK this. If you are old enough, REMEMBER what life was like in 1971. Intergration had taken place, drug importation was only starting to be an issue and Vietnam was Front Line on the news papers. If I had walked into the grocery store or a conveniece store and handed them a 100 bill - if they even took it you can bet it created some raised eyebrows. Cooper didn't say 20's,but that is what I would have interpreted as negotiable in 1971. US currency was just an expresson - evidently he did not want them to pass off foreign currency or 100 bills. I have often wondered if they did NOT bury within the packets a few foreign bills for the hell of it. I have one Duane had epoxied back in 1990 and I thought that was odd. I asked him what he did to the bill - his answer was just trying a little experiement. By that I thought he was referencing preserving things he purchased - didn't think about old bills. Wonder why he did that - I still have it! P.S. I just went and pulled that old bill. I was a Canada $2 bill with the serial number of 9525465dated 1954. Wonder if the FBI dared to put into the ransom some Canadian bills just encase Cooper might have need of them.If they had delivered $1 and $5 and $10 bills - bet Cooper would have had a tantrum! The safe bet was 20's.Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
