johnny1488 1 #1 January 5, 2006 As I spent my time at Eloy slinging out demo canopies for Icarus, I found myself listening to some interesting things. Here are a few. -I have 150 jumps and want to demo a Crossfire2 (this person knew the Crossfire2 was elliptical and high performance.) -I have 94 jumps and want a Safire2 149 (loaded at 1.35). This jumper had been demoing this size in another canopy from a gear store and was said to have been downsizing slowly. -I went to a FX loaded at 1.9 because my 132 just wasn't doing enough for my swoops. This jumper had between 200-300 jumps. -I have 100 jumps on my canopy and 200 total and am just really bored with it and want to go a lot faster. I got this multiple times and the loadings were never that light. -I jump a 150 now and have 200 jumps, but have 20 ground launches on a 120 so I know I will be fine on it. I can't remember all of them but you get the point. I tried to stress the ideas of gaining knowledge and expierience on their current canopy (and canopy control in general). I told everyone that I am a fan of conservative downsizing and really exploring canopy control on your first canopy before working on downsizing. I did my best to try to keep people from downsizing on their first demo. Some people were more interested in the downsize than what they were flying. Some people I said no to went straight to Dom at Aerodyne and vice versa. We exchanged notes daily. I would like to see people take an intrest in furthering canopy control. I just want people to do things at their own pace, not the fastest pace possible. Besides these things I had a great time at the boogie. I talk way to much about canopies so I guess this is a job I can do well. Anyway, thats it for now. Johnny --"This ain't no book club, we're all gonna die!" Mike Rome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skybytch 259 #2 January 5, 2006 QuoteI can't remember all of them but you get the point. None of that surprises me in the least. Good on ya for saying no. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites sundevil777 94 #3 January 5, 2006 I get scared when the ground comes up too fast. I don't like getting scared close to the ground. I am surprised that so many like it. People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites The111 1 #4 January 5, 2006 You should have sent them to my tent to fly a 6 sq. ft. wingsuit. www.WingsuitPhotos.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites marks 0 #5 January 5, 2006 QuoteI get scared when the ground comes up too fast. me too!! QuoteI don't like getting scared close to the ground. me neither. QuoteI am surprised that so many like it. I don't think "they" like it, "they" are just experienced enough not to let those things happen, and when they do, "they" notice it early and don't put "themselves" in that situation. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites cocheese 0 #6 January 5, 2006 Thanks for doing your best to keep these know it alls from jumping the wrong stuff. This is why i could never be a dzo. Only a crazed doctor would like reading about this. If Darwin only knew how much these people create jobs in hospitals etc. Lovin my "Tuna Boat" 150 at 1200 jumps and perfect wing loading. Laughing all the way to my next jump with great landing gear still. My body doesn't think i'm a wuss. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jonstark 8 #7 January 5, 2006 You're a good man Johnny. thanx for keeping them from cratering for the time being. Ever notice that us old farts are mostly jumping at around 1.2:1 and enjoying life just fine? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites divnswoop 0 #8 January 5, 2006 Scary.... I have ran across the same thing the past few months down south though. Unfortunately people with money can hop on ebay, here, or find another jumper that will sell them whatever they want. They "ALL" are talented canopy fliers and are "REALLY" conservative, but they don't seem to get it that when faced with a split second decision, it might cost them their lives. The funniest one was.... Me: Did I hear you right? Your jumping a stilletto loaded at 1.6 with 150 jumps? Them: Yeah, ....but a lot of those are hop and pops flying my canopy. Me: From what altitude? Them: Normally 3-3500.. ....one thing I have noticed is that the majority of these people I run across have never witnessed a landing fatality/ serious injury. After seeing a body hit the ground your prospective changes.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Amazon 7 #9 January 5, 2006 man they jump on you for suggesting it is not a good idea.. and then people they jump with only blame them when they kill themselves. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites johnny1488 1 #10 January 5, 2006 ohh, and another one I forgot to put up there. "Don't worry man, I'll be fine. I dont want to craetor myslef" me"well who does? who goes out thinking "Im gonna fuck myself up today!"" them.... stupid look. Johnny --"This ain't no book club, we're all gonna die!" Mike Rome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Elisha 1 #11 January 5, 2006 Quote -I have 94 jumps and want a Safire2 149 (loaded at 1.35). This jumper had been demoing this size in another canopy from a gear store and was said to have been downsizing slowly. Phew! Thought you were talking about me....except you have to subtract 0.3 from the WL, the canopy I've jumped for the last 50 is the same size and my prior demo was from a dealer not a store (and it was 9 sq ft smaller). Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Squeak 17 #12 January 5, 2006 QuoteMy body doesn't think i'm a wuss I think this is the single most inteligent thing I've seen you post, niceWould make for a very nice sig line tooYou are not now, nor will you ever be, good enough to not die in this sport (Sparky) My Life ROCKS! How's yours doing? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites bbarnhouse 0 #13 January 5, 2006 John, What can I say but thank you to both you and Dom. Your pro-active stance helped to contribute to a boogie that ended with no major injuries. Well done. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Brains 2 #14 January 5, 2006 Good on you Johnny, and good for you and Dom for working together. Never look down on someone, unless they are going down on you. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Remster 24 #15 January 5, 2006 The bastages at the tent wouldnt let me jump a vx 89.... Seriously, it was great to have both you and Kim, and Dom at the boogie. Too bad more manufacturers werent there, but their (and our) loss... I heard business was good.Remster Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Feeblemind 1 #16 January 5, 2006 I read all the posts and was in shock by what some of the comments were. I have to ask this though, Aren't we our own worst enemy? These folks are getting this gear somewhere, they just aren't manufacturing it themselves. The question is, how do you address it? The USPA has their reccomendations in the S.I.M., but that is a guide. I think unfortunately there will continue to be these types of issues for lack of respect of the sport secondary to greed. With stated when I purchased my new canopy recently I was questioned on my experience and jump numbers, so I think the manufactures are trying to do their part to control it to a degree. It is some un-ethical gear shops and third party sellers that just want to make a buck. Pretty fucking sad that someone would sell a piece of gear to someone that does not have the skill to use it. I saw it 1st hand this year, fortunately the buyer was educated by numerous folks at the DZ and he wisely cancelled the transaction (If I recall correctly he had 15-20 jumps, still on student status, weighed around 145 and the gear had a crossfire 139 if I am not mistaken) Fire Safety Tip: Don't fry bacon while naked Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites johnny1488 1 #17 January 5, 2006 QuoteThe bastages at the tent wouldnt let me jump a vx 89.... That's only cause I told you the 79 would be so much better for you. Lets drop the training wheels, OK? Johnny --"This ain't no book club, we're all gonna die!" Mike Rome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites JeepDiver 0 #18 January 5, 2006 ...well I'll say this, I upsized my own self. I couldn't be happier. It is a little annoying that I'm mocked for flying a boat though by guys that have thousands of jumps more than me. I need to make it to work monday morning, I have a business to run & I'm 40 years old. I've seen people broken and in the process of dying. I wish I hadn't. that said, now how do I get my hands on a Mamba? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Remster 24 #19 January 5, 2006 QuoteIt is a little annoying that I'm mocked for flying a boat though by guys that have thousands of jumps more than me. Seriously, people mock you for flying a big canopy at 22 jumps? Its one thing to joke around with some one who is conservative and has been around for a while, and yet respect his/her decision, but a v junior jumper? Thats just plain silly and stupid from the people doing the mocking....Remster Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites wildcard451 0 #20 January 5, 2006 Hey man, thanks a lot for the time you spent just bullshititng about canopy flight. Can learn alot just by talking. And thanks for not letting people smash themselves into the ground on demos that they aren't ready for. I saw more than one person that I thought was dead for sure pull it out by sheer luck... Keep up the education. Will be looking you up when I snag another canopy. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites johnny1488 1 #21 January 5, 2006 No problem. Just take it easy on your shoulders in those jeeps. And enjoy that canopy! Johnny --"This ain't no book club, we're all gonna die!" Mike Rome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites redramdriver 0 #22 January 5, 2006 I still just want to know how the hell I get one of them thar T-shirts.....only been trying for 2 years. It must be me I thinks....MSo, you bring your beer? Its 5 o'clock somewhere POPS #9344 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites johnny1488 1 #23 January 5, 2006 Good things are in the works this year. I think you will be very happy with whats happening next. Johnny --"This ain't no book club, we're all gonna die!" Mike Rome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Elisha 1 #24 January 5, 2006 QuoteSome people I said no to went straight to Dom at Aerodyne and vice versa. We exchanged notes daily. Yeah, him and that bastage Aubrey wouldn't let me jump a Pilot smaller than 140 at the Byron Boogie. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites scotts 0 #25 January 6, 2006 If you had started a "Bounce Bingo", you could have really raked in the dough. Kentucky Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 Next Page 1 of 3 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. 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sundevil777 94 #3 January 5, 2006 I get scared when the ground comes up too fast. I don't like getting scared close to the ground. I am surprised that so many like it. People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The111 1 #4 January 5, 2006 You should have sent them to my tent to fly a 6 sq. ft. wingsuit. www.WingsuitPhotos.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
marks 0 #5 January 5, 2006 QuoteI get scared when the ground comes up too fast. me too!! QuoteI don't like getting scared close to the ground. me neither. QuoteI am surprised that so many like it. I don't think "they" like it, "they" are just experienced enough not to let those things happen, and when they do, "they" notice it early and don't put "themselves" in that situation. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cocheese 0 #6 January 5, 2006 Thanks for doing your best to keep these know it alls from jumping the wrong stuff. This is why i could never be a dzo. Only a crazed doctor would like reading about this. If Darwin only knew how much these people create jobs in hospitals etc. Lovin my "Tuna Boat" 150 at 1200 jumps and perfect wing loading. Laughing all the way to my next jump with great landing gear still. My body doesn't think i'm a wuss. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jonstark 8 #7 January 5, 2006 You're a good man Johnny. thanx for keeping them from cratering for the time being. Ever notice that us old farts are mostly jumping at around 1.2:1 and enjoying life just fine? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
divnswoop 0 #8 January 5, 2006 Scary.... I have ran across the same thing the past few months down south though. Unfortunately people with money can hop on ebay, here, or find another jumper that will sell them whatever they want. They "ALL" are talented canopy fliers and are "REALLY" conservative, but they don't seem to get it that when faced with a split second decision, it might cost them their lives. The funniest one was.... Me: Did I hear you right? Your jumping a stilletto loaded at 1.6 with 150 jumps? Them: Yeah, ....but a lot of those are hop and pops flying my canopy. Me: From what altitude? Them: Normally 3-3500.. ....one thing I have noticed is that the majority of these people I run across have never witnessed a landing fatality/ serious injury. After seeing a body hit the ground your prospective changes.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #9 January 5, 2006 man they jump on you for suggesting it is not a good idea.. and then people they jump with only blame them when they kill themselves. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
johnny1488 1 #10 January 5, 2006 ohh, and another one I forgot to put up there. "Don't worry man, I'll be fine. I dont want to craetor myslef" me"well who does? who goes out thinking "Im gonna fuck myself up today!"" them.... stupid look. Johnny --"This ain't no book club, we're all gonna die!" Mike Rome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Elisha 1 #11 January 5, 2006 Quote -I have 94 jumps and want a Safire2 149 (loaded at 1.35). This jumper had been demoing this size in another canopy from a gear store and was said to have been downsizing slowly. Phew! Thought you were talking about me....except you have to subtract 0.3 from the WL, the canopy I've jumped for the last 50 is the same size and my prior demo was from a dealer not a store (and it was 9 sq ft smaller). Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Squeak 17 #12 January 5, 2006 QuoteMy body doesn't think i'm a wuss I think this is the single most inteligent thing I've seen you post, niceWould make for a very nice sig line tooYou are not now, nor will you ever be, good enough to not die in this sport (Sparky) My Life ROCKS! How's yours doing? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bbarnhouse 0 #13 January 5, 2006 John, What can I say but thank you to both you and Dom. Your pro-active stance helped to contribute to a boogie that ended with no major injuries. Well done. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Brains 2 #14 January 5, 2006 Good on you Johnny, and good for you and Dom for working together. Never look down on someone, unless they are going down on you. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Remster 24 #15 January 5, 2006 The bastages at the tent wouldnt let me jump a vx 89.... Seriously, it was great to have both you and Kim, and Dom at the boogie. Too bad more manufacturers werent there, but their (and our) loss... I heard business was good.Remster Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Feeblemind 1 #16 January 5, 2006 I read all the posts and was in shock by what some of the comments were. I have to ask this though, Aren't we our own worst enemy? These folks are getting this gear somewhere, they just aren't manufacturing it themselves. The question is, how do you address it? The USPA has their reccomendations in the S.I.M., but that is a guide. I think unfortunately there will continue to be these types of issues for lack of respect of the sport secondary to greed. With stated when I purchased my new canopy recently I was questioned on my experience and jump numbers, so I think the manufactures are trying to do their part to control it to a degree. It is some un-ethical gear shops and third party sellers that just want to make a buck. Pretty fucking sad that someone would sell a piece of gear to someone that does not have the skill to use it. I saw it 1st hand this year, fortunately the buyer was educated by numerous folks at the DZ and he wisely cancelled the transaction (If I recall correctly he had 15-20 jumps, still on student status, weighed around 145 and the gear had a crossfire 139 if I am not mistaken) Fire Safety Tip: Don't fry bacon while naked Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
johnny1488 1 #17 January 5, 2006 QuoteThe bastages at the tent wouldnt let me jump a vx 89.... That's only cause I told you the 79 would be so much better for you. Lets drop the training wheels, OK? Johnny --"This ain't no book club, we're all gonna die!" Mike Rome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JeepDiver 0 #18 January 5, 2006 ...well I'll say this, I upsized my own self. I couldn't be happier. It is a little annoying that I'm mocked for flying a boat though by guys that have thousands of jumps more than me. I need to make it to work monday morning, I have a business to run & I'm 40 years old. I've seen people broken and in the process of dying. I wish I hadn't. that said, now how do I get my hands on a Mamba? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Remster 24 #19 January 5, 2006 QuoteIt is a little annoying that I'm mocked for flying a boat though by guys that have thousands of jumps more than me. Seriously, people mock you for flying a big canopy at 22 jumps? Its one thing to joke around with some one who is conservative and has been around for a while, and yet respect his/her decision, but a v junior jumper? Thats just plain silly and stupid from the people doing the mocking....Remster Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wildcard451 0 #20 January 5, 2006 Hey man, thanks a lot for the time you spent just bullshititng about canopy flight. Can learn alot just by talking. And thanks for not letting people smash themselves into the ground on demos that they aren't ready for. I saw more than one person that I thought was dead for sure pull it out by sheer luck... Keep up the education. Will be looking you up when I snag another canopy. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
johnny1488 1 #21 January 5, 2006 No problem. Just take it easy on your shoulders in those jeeps. And enjoy that canopy! Johnny --"This ain't no book club, we're all gonna die!" Mike Rome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
redramdriver 0 #22 January 5, 2006 I still just want to know how the hell I get one of them thar T-shirts.....only been trying for 2 years. It must be me I thinks....MSo, you bring your beer? Its 5 o'clock somewhere POPS #9344 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
johnny1488 1 #23 January 5, 2006 Good things are in the works this year. I think you will be very happy with whats happening next. Johnny --"This ain't no book club, we're all gonna die!" Mike Rome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Elisha 1 #24 January 5, 2006 QuoteSome people I said no to went straight to Dom at Aerodyne and vice versa. We exchanged notes daily. Yeah, him and that bastage Aubrey wouldn't let me jump a Pilot smaller than 140 at the Byron Boogie. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
scotts 0 #25 January 6, 2006 If you had started a "Bounce Bingo", you could have really raked in the dough. Kentucky Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
