Russiagate

[billvon 2,400]

1 hour ago, kallend said:

Meanwhile, Trump's former personal lawyer and fixer started his prison sentence this week.

LOCK HIM UP!

[rushmc 18]

4 hours ago, gowlerk said:

Just in. I'm thinking that this move pretty much guarantees the House will have to move to an impeachment hearing. Trump may or may not understand and want that as part of his re-election strategy.

 

https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-news/barr-contempt-mueller-report/h_f677b79348a74773806928740abb438f

you guys have been wishing that shit for 2 years. And every time you bring it up you still look ridiculous

[billvon 2,400]

Update - now over 800 former federal prosecutors have signed the letter making it clear that Trump obstructed justice to try to hide his misdeeds.

[turtlespeed 212]

24 minutes ago, billvon said:

Update - now over 800 former federal prosecutors have signed the letter making it clear that Trump obstructed justice to try to hide his misdeeds.

That couldn't be politically motivated could it?

Do you think?

[yobnoc 142]

Just now, turtlespeed said:

That couldn't be politically motivated could it?

Do you think?

I know Trump would have you believe differently, but there are more public servants who cast aside their political leanings than not.  Most take the oath seriously.

[turtlespeed 212]

3 minutes ago, yobnoc said:

I know Trump would have you believe differently, but there are more public servants who cast aside their political leanings than not.  Most take the oath seriously.

Not any bureaucrat that I have ever heard of.

 

Take for instance the supreme court justices.

They are there Because of their politics and liberalism/conservatism.

Edited May 8, 2019 by turtlespeed

[Stumpy 256]

1 minute ago, turtlespeed said:

Not any bureaucrat that I have ever heard of.

I'm working with several hundred at the moment. The vast majority are far more interested in doing their job properly than who is in power.

[yobnoc 142]

34 minutes ago, turtlespeed said:

Not any bureaucrat that I have ever heard of.

 

Take for instance the supreme court justices.

They are there Because of their politics and liberalism/conservatism.

Judges get voted in at the lower levels of the court, and work their way up the ladder.  Their leanings tend to show through their decisions throughout their career.  At the SC level, they're appointed by presidents, who are definitely partisan by nature.  So, I'd probably say this is a bad example.  I have lots of friends who work for the government.  Met a lot of people in my time in service.  They are committed to their job, not a political party.

[turtlespeed 212]

1 hour ago, yobnoc said:

Judges get voted in at the lower levels of the court, and work their way up the ladder.  Their leanings tend to show through their decisions throughout their career.  At the SC level, they're appointed by presidents, who are definitely partisan by nature.  So, I'd probably say this is a bad example.  I have lots of friends who work for the government.  Met a lot of people in my time in service.  They are committed to their job, not a political party.

I met a lot in my time in the service as well.

I also keep in mind, that was a different time - where partisanship wasn't ,quite as often, as nasty.

I also did a lot of municipal construction work - dealt with mayoral staff, gubernatorial staff, State University staff . . .

My experience is a lot different than yours.

 

 

[yobnoc 142]

20 minutes ago, turtlespeed said:

I met a lot in my time in the service as well.

I also keep in mind, that was a different time - where partisanship wasn't ,quite as often, as nasty.

I also did a lot of municipal construction work - dealt with mayoral staff, gubernatorial staff, State University staff . . .

My experience is a lot different than yours.

 

 

Regardless...800?  And they're all career prosecutors.  Is there anything even close to something of this magnitude in the entire history of our country? 

We are indeed living in different times.  Integrity is lacking among our body politic.  I won't say on both sides, because that creates the illusion that it's 50/50, even split, and false equivalence.  I find the Republican party to be vastly more corrupt and ruthlessly screwing us worse than their counterparts.  To be clear, I don't think all the problems go away with a Democratic president either.  They all need their feet held to the flames.  Shit's real bad.

Edited May 9, 2019 by yobnoc

[billvon 2,400]

4 hours ago, turtlespeed said:

That couldn't be politically motivated could it?

Do you think?

Of course it's politically motivated; they want to ensure that the people know that they think Trump (a politician) is a criminal.

But then, Trump's election was politically motivated too.  So was his soliciting the Russians to attack the US and promising a reward if they did.  So was his paying off porn stars to have sex with him and then not talk about it.  So are your posts on this forum attacking other politicians.  So is every election and governmental proceeding in this country. 

Heck, so was the trial against the Unabomber.  Bet you don't want to see that one overturned.

[billvon 2,400]

2 hours ago, turtlespeed said:

I also keep in mind, that was a different time - where partisanship wasn't ,quite as often, as nasty.

No, it was worse.  That's just looking through rose colored glasses.  Remember, there was a time when a sitting US vice president and a US treasury secretary smeared each other so viciously that they ended up shooting at each other, and the murder that resulted was dismissed by the state supreme court as not being worth prosecuting.

[jakee 1,255]

7 hours ago, turtlespeed said:

Not any bureaucrat that I have ever heard of.

Even in the service?

[kallend 1,625]

2 hours ago, jakee said:

Even in the service?

"All right, but apart from the sanitation, the medicine, education, wine, public order, irrigation, roads, a fresh water system, and public health, what have the Romans ever done for us?" 

[turtlespeed 212]

8 hours ago, billvon said:

No, it was worse.  That's just looking through rose colored glasses.  Remember, there was a time when a sitting US vice president and a US treasury secretary smeared each other so viciously that they ended up shooting at each other, and the murder that resulted was dismissed by the state supreme court as not being worth prosecuting.

That was a little before my time.

[turtlespeed 212]

2 hours ago, kallend said:

"All right, but apart from the sanitation, the medicine, education, wine, public order, irrigation, roads, a fresh water system, and public health, what have the Romans ever done for us?" 

We get it - You lot like your decisions made for you.

 

I do not.

[jakee 1,255]

1 hour ago, turtlespeed said:

We get it - You lot like your decisions made for you.

 

I do not.

Explain how that follows, in any way, from the discussion we’re having?

 

Or are you once again throwing shit simply because you’ve run out of ideas?

[billvon 2,400]

3 hours ago, turtlespeed said:

That was a little before my time.

Mine too.  Fortunately, things have mostly improved since then.  (Trump's "very fine people" might be an exception there.)

[gowlerk 1,914]

35 minutes ago, billvon said:

Mine too.  Fortunately, things have mostly improved since then.  (Trump's "very fine people" might be an exception there.)

The political divide of the 60s around the war and the draft and the civil rights movement was at least as large as today's. The biggest difference is social media and communications. Actually most of today's issues can be traced back to then and even further in the past.

[billvon 2,400]

5 minutes ago, gowlerk said:

The political divide of the 60s around the war and the draft and the civil rights movement was at least as large as today's. The biggest difference is social media and communications. 

Agreed.  Which merely makes the divisions seem more stark than they are.

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21 hours ago, billvon said:

Update - now over 800 former federal prosecutors have signed the letter making it clear that Trump obstructed justice to try to hide his misdeeds.

Trump and co. are scumbags, and if they ever go down I will immensely enjoy the show.  But having 800 formal prosecutors sign a letter is reminiscent of when a 1000 architects signed a letter stating that 9/11 had to be an inside job.  Useless showmanship

 

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3 minutes ago, tonyhays said:

Trump and co. are scumbags, and if they ever go down I will immensely enjoy the show.  But having 800 former prosecutors sign a letter is reminiscent of when a 1000 architects signed a letter stating that 9/11 had to be an inside job.  Useless showmanship

I was thinking the same thing.  The XNumber singed letter thing is a pretty dull blade and borders on group-think.  A bunch of retirees signing something is on par with a warning from you HOA.

[billvon 2,400]

So now we have Trump Jr being subpoenaed to see why he lied to Congress, and our Attorney General is now held in contempt of Congress after he refused to testify.

"FAKE NEWS!  Politically motivated!" will read the tweets.  Meanwhile, what liberal America-hating politician said this?

“No one can be above the law, not even the attorney general.  I think an attorney general held in contempt of Congress is someone who should resign. . . I think it is outrageous that any attorney general, Republican or Democrat, refused to comply with Congress’ constitutional right to hold them accountable and the Justice Department accountable.”

[yobnoc 142]

3 minutes ago, billvon said:

So now we have Trump Jr being subpoenaed to see why he lied to Congress, and our Attorney General is now held in contempt of Congress after he refused to testify.

"FAKE NEWS!  Politically motivated!" will read the tweets.  Meanwhile, what liberal America-hating politician said this?

“No one can be above the law, not even the attorney general.  I think an attorney general held in contempt of Congress is someone who should resign. . . I think it is outrageous that any attorney general, Republican or Democrat, refused to comply with Congress’ constitutional right to hold them accountable and the Justice Department accountable.”

It doesn't matter.  Since Eric Holder did it and was ultimately let off the hook with no punishment, they can do it too. 

When these people proclaim their principles, they're not being honest.  It's that simple.  Their principles only go so far as is politically convenient.  The only principles left in Washington is whataboutism. 

[normiss 622]

Meanwhile, per PressSec, the Red Socks have won the World Cup Series!!

Woot.