normiss 622 #51 April 13, 2016 11 votes it appears. Also the State AG from NPR report: After the legislation was passed, Attorney General Roy Cooper refused to defend it from any challenges, saying, "House Bill 2 is unconstitutional. Therefore our office will not represent the defendants in this lawsuit nor future lawsuits." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnnyMarko 1 #52 April 13, 2016 God, I love these kind of threads. You guys are hilarious. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,257 #53 April 13, 2016 QuoteAfter the legislation was passed, Attorney General Roy Cooper refused to defend it from any challenges, saying, "House Bill 2 is unconstitutional. Therefore our office will not represent the defendants in this lawsuit nor future lawsuits." Is he allowed to do that? I mean, I agree with him and all, but he is the State's attorney and even guilty people need a defense...Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 622 #54 April 13, 2016 I heard a lady AG from another state on NPR this week who made it clear how unconstitutional she felt a similar law was in her state, but also made it clear that until overturned, it was her job to defend the laws of the state. She was very apologetic, but also very firm. I was quite impressed with her conviction to her responsibility with the laws of her state. I also agreed with her perspective. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Phil1111 911 #55 April 13, 2016 normissI heard a lady AG from another state on NPR this week who made it clear how unconstitutional she felt a similar law was in her state, but also made it clear that until overturned, it was her job to defend the laws of the state. She was very apologetic, but also very firm. I was quite impressed with her conviction to her responsibility with the laws of her state. I also agreed with her perspective. So upholding the constitution and the inherent right to justice and equality is trumped by the opinion of a small group religious ultraconservatives. "The Supremacy Clause of the United States Constitution (Article VI, Clause 2) establishes that the Constitution, federal laws made pursuant to it, and treaties made under its authority, constitute the supreme law of the land.[1] It provides that state courts are bound by the supreme law; in case of conflict between federal and state law, the federal law must be applied. Even state constitutions are subordinate to federal law.[2]" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supremacy_Clause Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 212 #56 April 13, 2016 normissI heard a lady AG from another state on NPR this week who made it clear how unconstitutional she felt a similar law was in her state, but also made it clear that until overturned, it was her job to defend the laws of the state. She was very apologetic, but also very firm. I was quite impressed with her conviction to her responsibility with the laws of her state. I also agreed with her perspective. She should be nominated for the SC.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ryoder 1,388 #57 April 13, 2016 JohnnyMarko God, I love these kind of threads. You guys are hilarious. I'm just thankful I'm not a self-proclaimed "conservative". Obsessing over what bathroom someone uses must be exhausting!"There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TriGirl 268 #58 April 13, 2016 See the upside, and always wear your parachute! -- Christopher Titus Shut Up & Jump! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,400 #59 April 13, 2016 One of the results of this law: =========== Results of SurveyUSA Election Poll #22836 Geography: North Carolina Sponsor: Data Collected: 04/08/2016 - 04/11/2016 HB2 may be also taking a toll on incumbent Republican Governor Pat McCrory, who signed HB2 into law 3 weeks ago, and who now finds himself trailing Democratic challenger Roy Cooper, the state's attorney general, 43% to 47% among likely 11/08/16 voters. ============ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,257 #60 April 13, 2016 Phil1111 ***I heard a lady AG from another state on NPR this week who made it clear how unconstitutional she felt a similar law was in her state, but also made it clear that until overturned, it was her job to defend the laws of the state. She was very apologetic, but also very firm. I was quite impressed with her conviction to her responsibility with the laws of her state. I also agreed with her perspective. So upholding the constitution and the inherent right to justice and equality is trumped by the opinion of a small group religious ultraconservatives. No, it's more a question of whose job it is to make that determination. He represents and is employed by the state, not the USA. If the law is to be challenged shouldn't it be a Fed attorney that challenges it and a Fed court that decides? As I see it this guy can tell the state his opinion, but if they disagree, take another course of action and get sued then it's his job to defend them. Otherwise is there a difference between him and the batshit gay marriage clerk lady? Oh wait, I see from Bill's post that he's on he campaign trail. 'Splains itDo you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RMK 3 #61 April 13, 2016 I like this one below; porn site Xhamster.com is blocking all North Carolina IP addresses: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/porn-site-bans-north-carolina-users-due-to-states-anti-lgbt-laws_us_570bd057e4b0885fb50d9a92"Pain is the best instructor, but no one wants to attend his classes" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TriGirl 268 #62 April 13, 2016 jakee ******I heard a lady AG from another state on NPR this week who made it clear how unconstitutional she felt a similar law was in her state, but also made it clear that until overturned, it was her job to defend the laws of the state. ... So upholding the constitution and the inherent right to justice and equality is trumped by the opinion of a small group religious ultraconservatives. No, it's more a question of whose job it is to make that determination. He represents and is employed by the state, not the USA. If the law is to be challenged shouldn't it be a Fed attorney that challenges it and a Fed court that decides? As I see it this guy can tell the state his opinion, but if they disagree, take another course of action and get sued then it's his job to defend them. Otherwise is there a difference between him and the batshit gay marriage clerk lady? Oh wait, I see from Bill's post that he's on he campaign trail. 'Splains itNormiss wasn't quoting the NC AG, but a different one in a state with a similar new law. (bolding mine) In reply to Phil: that other AG had an opinion about it being unconstitutional. However, she had to wait until federal courts overturned it (which hopefully it will be, so the constitution can be upheld). Due process. ETA: acting on her own, that other AG would be in the same camp as the marriage clerk lady!See the upside, and always wear your parachute! -- Christopher Titus Shut Up & Jump! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,257 #63 April 13, 2016 TriGirl *********I heard a lady AG from another state on NPR this week who made it clear how unconstitutional she felt a similar law was in her state, but also made it clear that until overturned, it was her job to defend the laws of the state. ... So upholding the constitution and the inherent right to justice and equality is trumped by the opinion of a small group religious ultraconservatives. No, it's more a question of whose job it is to make that determination. He represents and is employed by the state, not the USA. If the law is to be challenged shouldn't it be a Fed attorney that challenges it and a Fed court that decides? As I see it this guy can tell the state his opinion, but if they disagree, take another course of action and get sued then it's his job to defend them. Otherwise is there a difference between him and the batshit gay marriage clerk lady? Oh wait, I see from Bill's post that he's on he campaign trail. 'Splains itNormiss wasn't quoting the NC AG, but a different one in a state with a similar new law. (bolding mine) In reply to Phil: that other AG had an opinion about it being unconstitutional. However, she had to wait until federal courts overturned it (which hopefully it will be, so the constitution can be upheld). Due process. ETA: acting on her own, that other AG would be in the same camp as the marriage clerk lady! Ah, yeah I can see how my reply was confusing. I was taking Phil's response and referring back to Normiss' post about NC AG Roy Cooper - who is on the campaign trail against the governor who championed the bill, and who said he would not defend the state against lawsuits related to the bill. Hence, crazy lady comparison.Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 212 #64 April 13, 2016 billvonOne of the results of this law: =========== Results of SurveyUSA Election Poll #22836 Geography: North Carolina Sponsor: Data Collected: 04/08/2016 - 04/11/2016 HB2 may be also taking a toll on incumbent Republican Governor Pat McCrory, who signed HB2 into law 3 weeks ago, and who now finds himself trailing Democratic challenger Roy Cooper, the state's attorney general, 43% to 47% among likely 11/08/16 voters. ============ Good - I hope that people do vote for the change they want, not necessarily the change they need deserve, but the change they need.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wolfriverjoe 1,341 #65 April 13, 2016 jakee ******I heard a lady AG from another state on NPR this week who made it clear how unconstitutional she felt a similar law was in her state, but also made it clear that until overturned, it was her job to defend the laws of the state. She was very apologetic, but also very firm. I was quite impressed with her conviction to her responsibility with the laws of her state. I also agreed with her perspective. So upholding the constitution and the inherent right to justice and equality is trumped by the opinion of a small group religious ultraconservatives. No, it's more a question of whose job it is to make that determination. He represents and is employed by the state, not the USA. If the law is to be challenged shouldn't it be a Fed attorney that challenges it and a Fed court that decides? As I see it this guy can tell the state his opinion, but if they disagree, take another course of action and get sued then it's his job to defend them. Otherwise is there a difference between him and the batshit gay marriage clerk lady? Oh wait, I see from Bill's post that he's on he campaign trail. 'Splains itThat's an interesting question. Does a state AG have a duty to defend a law he (or she) thinks is unconstitutional? Seeing that the AG is the top attorney for the state, it would seem so. But as an elected official, they took an oath to "support and defend the constitution", so defending an law that is pretty obviously unconstitutional would go against that. A quick search found THIS. It addresses the refusal by Holder to defend DOMA, and by state's attorneys to refuse to defend state laws banning same sex marriage (Prop 8 in CA). So there is some precedent for such a refusal, although I fully agree that campaign politics and publicity probably play a part in the NC situation. Edit to add: I see a pretty significant difference between the NC AG and Kim Davis (the batshit crazy county clerk). The AG is a lawyer, and is refusing to defend a law he thinks is unconstitutional. Being a lawyer, he probably has a pretty good handle on what is constitutional and what is not (and this one probably isn't, 14th amendment applies). Worst case, he is failing to fully represent his client as an attorney. Davis was refusing to issue marriage licenses, despite being told to by several levels of court, including (indirectly) the US Supreme Court. And she was doing so because of her "deeply held religious beliefs" that were so deeply held that she felt ok being in violation of a bunch of the commandments."There are NO situations which do not call for a French Maid outfit." Lucky McSwervy "~ya don't GET old by being weak & stupid!" - Airtwardo Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 622 #66 April 13, 2016 turtlespeed***One of the results of this law: =========== Results of SurveyUSA Election Poll #22836 Geography: North Carolina Sponsor: Data Collected: 04/08/2016 - 04/11/2016 HB2 may be also taking a toll on incumbent Republican Governor Pat McCrory, who signed HB2 into law 3 weeks ago, and who now finds himself trailing Democratic challenger Roy Cooper, the state's attorney general, 43% to 47% among likely 11/08/16 voters. ============ Good - I hope that people do vote for the change they want, not necessarily the change they need deserve, but the change they need. Umm, yeah, that, I think, maybe. I would hope they vote in a new governor that is less hateful of the citizens there. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 212 #67 April 13, 2016 normiss ******One of the results of this law: =========== Results of SurveyUSA Election Poll #22836 Geography: North Carolina Sponsor: Data Collected: 04/08/2016 - 04/11/2016 HB2 may be also taking a toll on incumbent Republican Governor Pat McCrory, who signed HB2 into law 3 weeks ago, and who now finds himself trailing Democratic challenger Roy Cooper, the state's attorney general, 43% to 47% among likely 11/08/16 voters. ============ Good - I hope that people do vote for the change they want, not necessarily the change they need deserve, but the change they need. Umm, yeah, that, I think, maybe. I would hope they vote in a new governor that is less hateful of the citizens there. It was a paraphrase from Batman - I thought it would have been better received.I hope all the hate goes away. The hate FROM Democrats and conservatives and the hate toward them both as well.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,400 #68 April 13, 2016 >It was a paraphrase from Batman What was the original quote? And what was your quote? Was it: "Good - I hope that people do vote for the change they want, not necessarily the change they need to deserve, but the change they need." Or "Good - I hope that people do vote for the change they want, not necessarily the change they deserve, but the change they need." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 622 #69 April 14, 2016 No, not those, something else entirely. Must have been a different movie or episode then. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 212 #70 April 14, 2016 billvon>It was a paraphrase from Batman What was the original quote? And what was your quote? Was it: "Good - I hope that people do vote for the change they want, not necessarily the change they need to deserve, but the change they need." Or "Good - I hope that people do vote for the change they want, not necessarily the change they deserve, but the change they need." It was Gordon, He said something like "He is the hero we deserve, but not the one we need right now.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ryoder 1,388 #71 April 14, 2016 "We Don't Need Another Hero" -- Tina Turner "There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jdkalou 0 #72 April 14, 2016 Exactly!!!! I never worry about who I am in the bathroom with, I just worry about getting out before the finger pointing and blame the smell on game starts!!!!!!!!!!!! I must admit, I wasted a lot of time today reading this thread. Wasted......................I'm going to take the rest of the day off to reflect now. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 1,625 #73 April 15, 2016 muff528***QuoteProviding cover for sexual predators who will use it to their advantage. I'm having trouble imagining a scenario where this law will prevent a sexual predator from preying on anyone. If a man is intending on going into a bathroom to rape a woman, do you think he's going to stop because of this law? Can you give me an honest example of how this law is going to prevent any crime? Again, IMO it is more likely that a Chester the Molester, operating under cover of a law allowing him to walk into any bathroom without raising suspicion, can target victims than a lack of "protections" will victimize a transsexual using the men's room. It's more likely still that Chester the Molester is a Republican politician than a transgender person.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ryoder 1,388 #74 April 15, 2016 "WTF? For 8 years the man who was just one faulty pacemaker and a pretzel away from the presidency...was a child molester???" -- Trevor Noah talking about Dennis Hastert on last nights "The Daily Show". "There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
muff528 3 #75 April 15, 2016 kallend******QuoteProviding cover for sexual predators who will use it to their advantage. I'm having trouble imagining a scenario where this law will prevent a sexual predator from preying on anyone. If a man is intending on going into a bathroom to rape a woman, do you think he's going to stop because of this law? Can you give me an honest example of how this law is going to prevent any crime? Again, IMO it is more likely that a Chester the Molester, operating under cover of a law allowing him to walk into any bathroom without raising suspicion, can target victims than a lack of "protections" will victimize a transsexual using the men's room. It's more likely still that Chester the Molester is a Republican politician than a transgender person. Pretty sure I never suggested that Chester would be a transsexual person or that a transsexual person would be a Chester. That wasn't my point at all, ...only that a transsexual person is less likely to be a victim of a sexual assault in a men's room than a predator, using "anti-anti-discrimination" laws as cover, would be able to target his victims in a ladies room. (IMO, of course). Maybe you could start another thread about your obsession with Republican preverts. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites