Anachronist 2 #26 January 21, 2016 TriGirl I wish the provoked thoughts would lead more often to provoking the desire to research in support of full consideration as well. I agree with all of your points, and that quote is what I meant by "thought provoking." I also prefer the word "data" or "information" to "fact" because fact implies certainty and few things are certain (for certainty to exist, there also have to be several other certainties to support it), data implies nothing. But I'm all sciencie and stuff so I know most people don't care about nuances like that. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Anachronist 2 #27 January 21, 2016 DanG Can you show me a 3rd party source that proves NPR has a liberal bias? Every study I've seen shows them to be just slightly left of center, if not prety much at the center. I know it's a conservative belief that reality has a liberal bias, and NPR reports reality, so maybe that's your problem with them. I don't have a problem with NPR, I like them a lot actually, even have a preset in my car But as you stated "left of center" is a liberal bias, regardless of "how much" or "how far" (which appeals to me because I am extremely liberal). Just because a news source has a bias doesn't invalidate it. When they start to distort information for the purpose of promoting an agenda, then you have invalidation. e.g. FOX, CNN, MSNBC, and Co. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The111 0 #28 January 21, 2016 billvoneventually someone would notice that tardigrades have something to do with science Science??? That crap is super biased. Doesn't give a damn about your opinions.www.WingsuitPhotos.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Anachronist 2 #29 January 21, 2016 The111 ***eventually someone would notice that tardigrades have something to do with science Science??? That crap is super biased. Doesn't give a damn about your opinions. Yes, she is a cruel mistress, and her friend statistics. Whoops, there goes my male bias Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
winsor 186 #30 January 21, 2016 Anachronist ***Can you show me a 3rd party source that proves NPR has a liberal bias? Every study I've seen shows them to be just slightly left of center, if not prety much at the center. I know it's a conservative belief that reality has a liberal bias, and NPR reports reality, so maybe that's your problem with them. I don't have a problem with NPR, I like them a lot actually, even have a preset in my car But as you stated "left of center" is a liberal bias, regardless of "how much" or "how far" (which appeals to me because I am extremely liberal). Just because a news source has a bias doesn't invalidate it. When they start to distort information for the purpose of promoting an agenda, then you have invalidation. e.g. FOX, CNN, MSNBC, and Co. That's agendUM. Agenda are plural (like medium/media, datum/data, etc.). I agree that the quality of news from BBC, NPR and PBS outstrips the commercial U.S. sources. It seems that CNN became to news what MTV became to music, which is a shame. I'm as likely to be nauseated by MSNBC (Al Sharpton?) as I am Fox News, though I tend to channel-surf past either as fast as I would a football game or a test pattern. People bitch about popular media, but they get what sells. You aren't likely to see US News and World Report at the checkout counter of your local supermarket, but that's not because it sells out as fast as it hits the stands. BSBD, Winsor Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rick 67 #31 January 21, 2016 How about your local newspapers? I get the Orlando Sentinel every day. It's owned by the Tribune publishing company. Seems to be pretty unbiased possibly a slightly conservative slant. (It is Florida after all.) But I like getting the paper delivered to the house every morning. Plus they have comics, Sudoku and on Sunday the NYT crossword puzzle. You can't be drunk all day if you don't start early! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jgoose71 0 #32 January 21, 2016 The big thing is to know the difference between hard news and "Opinion" or "Editorial" news. I've noticed that all pretty much all networks have some straight up "just the news" programing that is pretty unbiased. Just don't think that your going to watch Sean Hannity or Chris Mathews and think your going to get straight news. They are not news anchors. And biases are not necessarily in the reporting, but biases can also be shown in what is not reported. Don't go to MSNBC's hard news programing if you want to learn the latest on Hillary's e-mail scandal. To them it's a "non-story" and there for not worth putting in there hard news segments. I think it was said earlier, but you really do have to use multiple sources to get the whole news now a days."There is an art, it says, or, rather, a knack to flying. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss." Life, the Universe, and Everything Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 622 #33 January 21, 2016 You've just reminded me of another issue I'm noticing of late. On a number of news outlet web sites, you have to be mindful of "sponsored" stories. Some are well disguised until you actually start to read the article and realize what the hell is this? Oh, it's basically an ad. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rick 67 #34 January 21, 2016 So multiple sources it is. Thanks for all the recommendations. And jgoose "biases are not necessarily in the reporting, but biases can also be shown in what is not reported." this is a very good pointYou can't be drunk all day if you don't start early! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 212 #35 January 21, 2016 DanGCan you show me a 3rd party source that proves NPR has a liberal bias? Every study I've seen shows them to be just slightly left of center, if not prety much at the center. I know it's a conservative belief that reality has a liberal bias, and NPR reports reality, so maybe that's your problem with them. Is that your center, my center, rushmc's center, jakee's center . . . .?I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Elisha 1 #36 January 21, 2016 A little surprised no one mentioned CSM (Christian Science Monitor). I've read some good articles by them and have always heard good things by others. I know....at face value, sounds like a Watchtower tract (Jehovah Witnesses). And if I compare to myself (an Orthodox Christian), again at face value, I ought not read anything by them or think them unbiased or credible. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DanG 1 #37 January 21, 2016 One study used an interesting technique. They recorded all the papers quoted by congressmen in their official statements. The papers were then weighted as being a left supporting paper or a right supporting paper depending on how often it was used as a souce by Democrats vs Republicans. They then looked at a bunch of news sources, and recorded the papers they reported on, or used as a source. The bias was determined by how often a new source relied on a left or right leaning paper. That technique uses the "center" as halfway between congresional Dems and Reps. NPR was slightly left of center in that study. As a matter of fact, most major news sources were left of center, some more than others. Fox was decidedly right of center. Obviously, this technique isn't perfect, but it is interesting. - Dan G Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rick 67 #38 January 21, 2016 here are 2 articles about Wal-Mart closing some stores this one from the Conservative Times blaming it on the raising of the minimum wage in LA and this one from CNN just pretty much quoting the company rep You can't be drunk all day if you don't start early! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DanG 1 #39 January 21, 2016 CSM does have some good reporting. When I read their articles I filter for a right bias, but it isn't too blatant. - Dan G Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,123 #40 January 21, 2016 Rick***For the 24 hour news networks, Al Jazeera seems the most unbiased. I saw that Al Jazeera America is closing down Yes, in favour of Al Jazeera International I believe. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,255 #41 January 21, 2016 QuoteThat's agendUM. Agenda are plural (like medium/media, datum/data, etc.) It's plural in latin. Correct if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure we're all speaking english.Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,123 #42 January 21, 2016 jakeeQuoteThat's agendUM. Agenda are plural (like medium/media, datum/data, etc.) It's plural in latin. Correct if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure we're all speaking english. Plus, it means "things that have to get done" so it makes perfect sense to refer to a personal organizer as an agenda and would make no sense to refer to it as an agendum, unless there literally is only one entry.....ever. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,123 #43 January 21, 2016 We like the local paper; for bathroom reading, we also take The Week. It doesn't actually report anything. Instead, it selects a number of sources and quotes (and sometimes digests) them. By no means is it a primary source, but it does show what other sources are saying, and it rounds up the most interesting obituaries of the week, along with one two-pager that's generally quite good. And it has sudoku The Economist is good; I agree about the British filter being a plus in the US. But I never seem to get around to reading enough of it. So I alternate between taking it and feeling guilty, and not taking it and feeling guilty Wendy P. There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,400 #44 January 21, 2016 >Plus, it means "things that have to get done" so it makes perfect sense to refer to a personal organizer > as an agenda and would make no sense to refer to it as an agendum, unless there literally is only one >entry.....ever. That's your opinium. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 212 #45 January 21, 2016 billvon>Plus, it means "things that have to get done" so it makes perfect sense to refer to a personal organizer > as an agenda and would make no sense to refer to it as an agendum, unless there literally is only one >entry.....ever. That's your opinium. Should this really continuum?I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NewGuy2005 51 #46 January 21, 2016 rushmc *** NPR Where do you get your news? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
winsor 186 #47 January 22, 2016 jakeeQuoteThat's agendUM. Agenda are plural (like medium/media, datum/data, etc.) It's plural in latin. Correct if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure we're all speaking english. Why can't the English learn to speak? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 212 #48 January 22, 2016 winsor *** Quote That's agendUM. Agenda are plural (like medium/media, datum/data, etc.) It's plural in latin. Correct if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure we're all speaking English. Why can't the English learn to speak? Or at least type . . . One would think he would know how to capitalize his own county name.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,255 #49 January 22, 2016 Quote One would think he would know how to capitalize his own county name. That's not the name of my county. It's not even the name of my country. It's the name of my language.Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
winsor 186 #50 January 22, 2016 turtlespeed ****** Quote That's agendUM. Agenda are plural (like medium/media, datum/data, etc.) It's plural in latin. Correct if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure we're all speaking English. Why can't the English learn to speak? Or at least type . . . One would think he would know how to capitalize his own county name.I suspect using a typewriter would have been beneath Professor Henry Higgins. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
