Groundskeeper Fired After Turning In Gun He Found

[JohnRich 4]

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Groundskeeper Fired After Turning In Gun He Found

"Detroit police told groundskeeper John Chevilott that he did the right thing by turning in a loaded handgun he found while mowing lawns earlier this month. But his employers at the Department of Public Services felt differently and fired him for violating department policies.

"Chevilott and his crew were mowing lawns in a neighborhood when they discovered a loaded snub-nosed revolver hidden in some weeds. He called police to come pick up the gun, but when they didn't show, he took it home and drove it to his local police department.

"Officers discovered that the weapon had been stolen in 2005 from a town about 25 miles away and commended Chevilott for handing it over to police. But supervisors felt that he had violated a Department of Public Services policy forbidding employees from possessing weapons on work property and fired him..."

Full story: Huffington Post

For those voting that he deserved to lose his job, please explain why it would be better to leave the gun in the weeds where some kid or criminal might find it. Is obeying department policy more important than doing the right thing by common sense for public safety?

[DougH 270]

That is one of the most stupid things I have ever read about!

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[ianmdrennan 2]

If those facts are straight, it's total and utter garbage that someone lost their job doing the right thing.

What is most surprising though, is that the police didn't turn up when he first called. Any word on why that happened?

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[grimmie 177]

Hopefully his union will get him his job back.

[wayneflorida 0]

Two years from retirement.

[RonD1120 58]

Isn't Detroit one of those Liberal Democrat/Socialist/Muslim enclaves where political correctness and welfare determine the value structure?

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[wolfriverjoe 1,351]

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If those facts are straight, it's total and utter garbage that someone lost their job doing the right thing.

What is most surprising though, is that the police didn't turn up when he first called. Any word on why that happened?

In Detroit? Good luck getting them to show up for anything but a "Felony In Progress." They're really shorthanded, underfunded and overworked.

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[sfzombie 3]

and that depends on where in detroit you're talking about. i've done some time up there with a couple of friends in some places where the cops don't go, ever. not a great place to raise a family for sure.

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[JohnRich 4]

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For those voting that he deserved to lose his job, please explain why it would be better to leave the gun in the weeds where some kid or criminal might find it. Is obeying department policy more important than doing the right thing by common sense for public safety?

I notice how none of the people who voted "fire him" have the courage to come forth and explain their position...

It's kind of funny how those who are afraid of 2nd Amendment rights, are also too afraid to exercise their 1st Amendment rights.

[Gravitymaster 0]

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For those voting that he deserved to lose his job, please explain why it would be better to leave the gun in the weeds where some kid or criminal might find it. Is obeying department policy more important than doing the right thing by common sense for public safety?

I notice how none of the people who voted "fire him" have the courage to come forth and explain their position...

Doesn't surprise me.

[SkyDekker 1,147]

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For those voting that he deserved to lose his job, please explain why it would be better to leave the gun in the weeds where some kid or criminal might find it. Is obeying department policy more important than doing the right thing by common sense for public safety?

I notice how none of the people who voted "fire him" have the courage to come forth and explain their position...

It's kind of funny how those who are afraid of 2nd Amendment rights, are also too afraid to exercise their 1st Amendment rights.

Or they are just fucking with you? Not everybody takes your "interestingly" worded polls as serious as you do.

[kelpdiver 2]

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Or they are just fucking with you? Not everybody takes your "interestingly" worded polls as serious as you do.

there's one of your 7 votes!

He's, right, btw. Many enjoy putting in the contrarian vote in your 'do you hate children' type yes/no polls.

[Andy9o8 0]

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Or they are just fucking with you? Not everybody takes your "interestingly" worded polls as serious as you do.

there's one of your 7 votes!

He's, right, btw. Many enjoy putting in the contrarian vote in your 'do you hate children' type yes/no polls.

Ding ding ding!

[SkyDekker 1,147]

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Or they are just fucking with you? Not everybody takes your "interestingly" worded polls as serious as you do.

there's one of your 7 votes!

He's, right, btw. Many enjoy putting in the contrarian vote in your 'do you hate children' type yes/no polls.

Actually no, I didn't vote. I never do in JR polls. Just telling him why those votes are probably there.

[rehmwa 2]

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Just telling him why those votes are probably there.

even so, if even one of the votes was serious (I can't imagine how), it would be interesting to hear the logic (mainly because I can't imagine how).

Apparently someone in the food chain in the Detroit city government took it seriously enough to fire the guy, so someone else could possibly vote that way.

(It's probably something stupid though - the Groundskeeper might just have been a crappy employee and this was the only way to manufacture a reason to release him that could stand up to the public union

or, the story is incomplete and they left out the part where the employee jokingly pointed it at park patrons, or fired a couple shots, etc etc etc)


(unless it's from DreamDancer or one of his proxies, then I just don't care)

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[jakee 1,259]

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It's kind of funny how those who are afraid of 2nd Amendment rights, are also too afraid to exercise their 1st Amendment rights.

It's kinda funny how you still don't get the way your polls are viewed.

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[kelpdiver 2]

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Apparently someone in the food chain in the Detroit city government took it seriously enough to fire the guy, so someone else could possibly vote that way.

(It's probably something stupid though - the Groundskeeper might just have been a crappy employee and this was the only way to manufacture a reason to release him that could stand up to the public union

the common suspicion is that they used this as an excuse to get rid of a guy just before he's eligible for retirement. Seems to be an all or nothing plan. (those who don't like the 401k plan have to see the advantage of it in these circumstances)

[HeadCone 0]

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It's kind of funny how those who are afraid of 2nd Amendment rights, are also too afraid to exercise their 1st Amendment rights.

It's kinda funny how you still don't get the way your polls are viewed.

LOL this. I voted fire him.

But seriously. They probably fired him because of the retirement deal and that's bullshit. But let's think about something that's basically just hypothetical:

What if the company actually had a policy for this because they realize the potential for groundskeepers to find things like guns, drugs, or whatever? Let's say that policy states that the employee should call the police. Then the employee should contact their supervisor. From there, the company will take responsibility for the item. If the police don't show, then the employee/supervisor will take the item to a secure area on company property and lock it in a safe. Then it will become the supervisor's responsibility to make sure it gets handled properly/legally from there.

(I could see a company having this policy to protect themselves. What if he takes the gun home, starts playing with it, and ends up shooting someone. You know the lawyers are going to go after the one with the money - the company.)

If that were the case and this guy took it home instead and then took it to the police, well then he violated the policy. Then it becomes a question of how well the policy was known and what the documented punishment is. Was it glossed over once 20+ years when he first started and never mentioned again or was it reinforced on a yearly basis? Did they make it clear the policy will be strictly enforced including termination?

I don't know if any of the above is really the case, but if the policy did exist, was well known by the employee (including getting fired), then well yeah, it sucks but he should have known better.

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[sacex250 0]

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He's, right, btw. Many enjoy putting in the contrarian vote in your 'do you hate children' type yes/no polls.

That's why every poll is supposed to have a "Boobies" option.

It's all been said before, no sense repeating it here.

[JohnRich 4]

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Not everybody takes your "interestingly" worded polls as serious as you do.

How would YOU have worded this poll?

[grimmie 177]

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For those voting that he deserved to lose his job, please explain why it would be better to leave the gun in the weeds where some kid or criminal might find it. Is obeying department policy more important than doing the right thing by common sense for public safety?

I notice how none of the people who voted "fire him" have the courage to come forth and explain their position...

Doesn't surprise me.

Hahahahaha, sez the dude with no profile info

[Gravitymaster 0]

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For those voting that he deserved to lose his job, please explain why it would be better to leave the gun in the weeds where some kid or criminal might find it. Is obeying department policy more important than doing the right thing by common sense for public safety?

I notice how none of the people who voted "fire him" have the courage to come forth and explain their position...

Doesn't surprise me.

Hahahahaha, sez the dude with no profile info

Yep and many of us who have posted here for a while have seen several cases where someone got pissed off and crossed a line by going outside of this website and making trouble for posters. Anyone who wants to know my name or anything else about me can PM me and I will be happy to share that information as long as I don't think you are a kook. BTW there are a few people I would put in that catagory.

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For those voting that he deserved to lose his job, please explain why it would be better to leave the gun in the weeds where some kid or criminal might find it. Is obeying department policy more important than doing the right thing by common sense for public safety?

I notice how none of the people who voted "fire him" have the courage to come forth and explain their position...

Doesn't surprise me.

Hahahahaha, sez the dude with no profile info

Hahahahaha, sez the dude with profile info

I got more jumps than you. Pffffft.

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[Coreece 190]

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Isn't Detroit one of those Liberal Democrat/Socialist/Muslim enclaves where political correctness and welfare determine the value structure?

Coreece, Coreece, paging Mr. Coreece. Please report to the Speakers Corner. Your analysis is requested.

Seems like I've been gone from dz.com for more than just 5 days...it was nice.

But IMO Detroit is just a troubled city that has been run by a bunch of incompetent corrupt street smart thugs and their bling buddies for far too long. I never thought of the officials here as neither dem or repub - they're in a league of their own. We once had a decent Mayor but he was labeled an uncle tom and outed.

The arab muslims imigrants really aren't a problem, but unlike their European predecessors they hardly do anything to improve the quality of life and the city continues to deteriorate...especially the smaller little "safe haven" cities inside Detroit like Hamtramck and Highland Park.

Any concern about muslims here tends to be directed toward the politically discontent Afican-American ex-con Islamic converts. The FBI already had to take out a few of the extremists leaders...The efforts to protect against extremism are rather tenacious here, thanks to great undercover work of informants that penetrate religious organizations and expose the fraud.

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[RonD1120 58]

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Isn't Detroit one of those Liberal Democrat/Socialist/Muslim enclaves where political correctness and welfare determine the value structure?

Coreece, Coreece, paging Mr. Coreece. Please report to the Speakers Corner. Your analysis is requested.

Seems like I've been gone from dz.com for more than just 5 days...it was nice.

But IMO Detroit is just a troubled city that has been run by a bunch of incompetent corrupt street smart thugs and their bling buddies for far too long. I never thought of the officials here as neither dem or repub - they're in a league of their own. We once had a decent Mayor but he was labeled an uncle tom and outed.

The arab muslims imigrants really aren't a problem, but unlike their European predecessors they hardly do anything to improve the quality of life and the city continues to deteriorate...especially the smaller little "safe haven" cities inside Detroit like Hamtramck and Highland Park.

Any concern about muslims here tends to be directed toward the politically discontent Afican-American ex-con Islamic converts. The FBI already had to take out a few of the extremists leaders...The efforts to protect against extremism are rather tenacious here, thanks to great undercover work of informants that penetrate religious organizations and expose the fraud.

Thank you for your reply. Down here in FL, especially Tampa, we see growing Muslim influence through CAIR and the number of new mosques.

A recent news article placed Tampa as #5 on the list of Muslim population increase. We, that is my tribe, are aware of the growing number of Muslim training camps around the U.S. Our conjecture tends toward the foreboding.

It is good to hear a relative benign report from someone living the midst of an already troubled area.

We continue to maintain an air of caution. As the old Islamic saying goes, "Trust Allah but tether your camel." And stocking up on food and ammo ain't a bad idea either.

Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.