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If I had to use deadly force, I would not be cheerful/celebrating after doing so...

I was disturbed by dancing and drunken celebration also

the best way to acknowledge this was quiet approval of a distasteful job that HAD to be done - and that our people had the nerve and ability to do that job

It is something to remember the next time you see a celebration like that on the news. Maybe all of the people from that country/religion don’t feel the same as those who end up on the news.

[rushmc 18]

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I put that in quotes for a reason, and I did NOT say they were innocent.

They were not exactly 'civilians' either. They were support staff.

OBL was not the leader of a recognized state.
AQ is not the army of a recognized state.
Therefore they are civilian criminals.
Can we please stop trying to elevate criminals to the level of a uniformed army?

Something we agree on

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if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
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If I had to use deadly force, I would not be cheerful/celebrating after doing so...

If you think one atrocious act deserves another, then I don't think you understand the true meaning of peace and how to achieve it. (I don't mean "you" specifically.)

I guess that's where we differ significantly. If I just saved my family (or even myself for that matter) from someone in my house who wishes to do us harm...even if I had to make that person "assume room temperature"...I would be ellated and sleep like a baby that night...after I calmed down, that is. It is not "an attrocity" to protect what is yours. Some things are worth dying for.

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[Nataly 38]

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I would bet (based on your posts here) that if Christians were trying to do this you would say kill all the bastards NOW!!

Um.. Based on what, exactly?? Please, find me a passage where I say or hint at any such ridiculous claim. Really. I could not be more certain that you won't be able to find one. Because it's COMPLETELY false. But do try, it should be entertaining to see you attampt to twist my words so blatantly.

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I do not think you are delusional, but you do have a twisted sense of reality

Why, because I am looking at more than one side of the argument??

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And let's not forget the "civilian" casualties that died alongside him in this case.

You mean the ones that were harboring an "internationally recognised/known terrorist??"

They were not innocent... Not by a long shot.

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but what I'm saying is that this act - a violent one - is NOT the solution, in my opinion.

And how would YOU have handled OBL?

She would have created another damn poll to find out what to do...

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[rushmc 18]

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I do not think you are delusional, but you do have a twisted sense of reality

Why, because I am looking at more than one side of the argument??

No

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if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
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[DaVinci 0]

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OBL was not the leader of a recognized state.
AQ is not the army of a recognized state.
Therefore they are civilian criminals.
Can we please stop trying to elevate criminals to the level of a uniformed army?

Criminals can still have support staff.
I am no longer in the service, yet I still have support staff, many company's have support staff without being a recognized 'state'.

Criminals are not exactly 'civilians' either... they are criminals.

Saying that the criminals that supported him were not 'civilians' is applicable even if you do not like it.

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the best way to acknowledge this was quiet approval of a distasteful job that HAD to be done - and that our people had the nerve and ability to do that job

It is something to remember the next time you see a celebration like that on the news. Maybe all of the people from that country/religion don’t feel the same as those who end up on the news.

Didn't you see the news coverage of all those people quietly staying at home, with a sense of approval tempered by the sadness that this kind of mission is necessary for the good of all?

It was on the same networks that showed worldwide examples of Muslims disgusted with the Trade Center attacks in a perverted twist of something they held dear.

Hopefully, your reminder is not such a difficult item for the average person to 'get'.

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If I had to use deadly force, I would not be cheerful/celebrating after doing so...

If you think one atrocious act deserves another, then I don't think you understand the true meaning of peace and how to achieve it. (I don't mean "you" specifically.)

I agree that the celebration was a little overboard but..most of these people didn't have to use deadly force. They were citizens who felt a large weight lifter off of their chests. and came out to support each other in community. the first crowd(televised) was in front of the white house. The cheer to the president for finally taking action. The crowd at ground zero or any of the other sites around the world is totally understandable. It was a chance to feel that an important goal has been achieved. I wish it was as easy as packing up and coming home now but that's a ridiculous thought.


I understand what your conflict is but if we all followed your ideals of good and bad than bad will ALWAYS win because the good would hope that the bad would come to our side of thinking as they continued to kill us off.

Just to clarify, in my example the U.S. is good Bin Laden is bad...I don't always agree with our foreign policy but I never agreed with killing civilians who were on their way to work.

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Oh and by the way, my Arab friends aren't saying much, but it appears that at least amongst themselves, they're every bit as glad as we are that the cocksucker has finally gotten what he's had coming to him for so long. Mess with the bull, get the horns.

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[Nataly 38]

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And I respectfully submit that you do not understand that force and the threat of force is what keeps the peace in this world. I don’t like that fact, but I understand it and it will not change in our life times

Freedom is not free. A tragic fact we all have to deal with in out own ways

I get the feeling this was directed at me, even though you quoted someone else.

I *do* understand that humans and conflict go hand in hand. I *do* understand that "civilisation" is an artificial construct that exists so that large groups of people (who might otherwise kill each-other) can co-exist. I *do* understand that peace is (in many ways) contradictory to our nature.

But am I happy that 4 people just got killed? No. Am I happy that this could encourage conflict? No.

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- Chris Hadfield
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[DaVinci 0]

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If I had to use deadly force, I would not be cheerful/celebrating after doing so...

Did you see any of the Seal team guys partying? Please tell me who they are, I'd like to shake their hand.

Did you see any of their chain of command hanging by a light-pole, drunk, in front of the White House?

Did you see me, or any of these other posters running wild in the streets?

Do you have ratios of who went out and partied to those that silently raised a toast to fallen friends/family?

Or did you fall hook, line, and sinker into the image the media spoon fed you?

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OBL was not the leader of a recognized state.
AQ is not the army of a recognized state.
Therefore they are civilian criminals.
Can we please stop trying to elevate criminals to the level of a uniformed army?

Criminals can still have support staff.
I am no longer in the service, yet I still have support staff, many company's have support staff without being a recognized 'state'.

Criminals are not exactly 'civilians' either... they are criminals.

Saying that the criminals that supported him were not 'civilians' is applicable even if you do not like it.

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/civilian

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I wish nerdgirl still posted here. She would have some terrific thoughts and insight on this.

EXACTLY what I was thinking....

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the best way to acknowledge this was quiet approval of a distasteful job that HAD to be done - and that our people had the nerve and ability to do that job

It is something to remember the next time you see a celebration like that on the news. Maybe all of the people from that country/religion don’t feel the same as those who end up on the news.

Didn't you see the news coverage of all those people quietly staying at home, with a sense of approval tempered by the sadness that this kind of mission is necessary for the good of all?

It was on the same networks that showed worldwide examples of Muslims disgusted with the Trade Center attacks in a perverted twist of something they held dear.

Hopefully, your reminder is not such a difficult item for the average person to 'get'.

Sadly I don’t get that channel.

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http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/civilian

Ah yes.... When the subtleties of the real word fail you... Break out a semantic argument.

Funny, I am not "a specialist in Roman or modern civil law"... yet it is the first thing listed. I'd bet the people killed around OBL were not "specialists in Roman or modern civil law" either.... but I could be wrong.

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It's also a victory for islam

Agreed

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[rushmc 18]

But am I happy that 4 people just got killed? No. Am I happy that this could encourage conflict? No.

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But am I happy that 4 people just got killed? No. Am I happy that this could encourage conflict? No.

Just a guess. I could be wrong. I'd bet that, if you happened to be a prisoner in a Taliban camp, where they'd beaten, raped, and tortured you for weeks and planned to hang you soon publicly from a sign post at the entrance of town for all (especially their women) to see, you might be overjoyed for a Spec Ops team to bust in at night and shoot each one of your captors in the forehead and get you to safety. Would you still be very upset over the attrocity of killing those who did so much harm to you? Or would you have an overwhelming sense of joy to still be alive? Again...I could be wrong. Reality just seems to change opinions sometimes.

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the best way to acknowledge this was quiet approval of a distasteful job that HAD to be done - and that our people had the nerve and ability to do that job

It is something to remember the next time you see a celebration like that on the news. Maybe all of the people from that country/religion don’t feel the same as those who end up on the news.

Didn't you see the news coverage of all those people quietly staying at home, with a sense of approval tempered by the sadness that this kind of mission is necessary for the good of all?

It was on the same networks that showed worldwide examples of Muslims disgusted with the Trade Center attacks in a perverted twist of something they held dear.

Hopefully, your reminder is not such a difficult item for the average person to 'get'.

Well said

When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy.
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If I had to use deadly force, I would not be cheerful/celebrating after doing so...

I was disturbed by dancing and drunken celebration also

the best way to acknowledge this was quiet approval of a distasteful job that HAD to be done - and that our people had the nerve and ability to do that job

Good answer.

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Looks like Osama Bin Laden had his address on the PlayStation network...

Looks like you didn't invent this joke.

Lame.

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Uh, the obvious difference is that one group celebrated the killing of civilians, and the other group celebrated the death of the person responsible for these 3000 civilian deaths.

If they were celebrating the death of our previous president because they believe he caused them nothing but anguish, I can't fault them for it. But it's just not the same cheering for killing people who just wanted to fly from Boston to San Francisco.

If you people can't see the difference, then perhaps you need to own up to some serious bias problems (this is directed in particular at some English posters, not Wendy).

Running out of your house in the middle of the night to cheer anyones death is sick. What, do you think this is some kind of football game? If you can't see that then I feel sorry for, uh, some English posters.

Wasn't the middle of the night here. It was a tad annoying as it disrupted all TV programming during prime time.

Still doesn't change the fact that 9/11 and this killing have nothing in common, other than the stiff in the latter caused the former.

If people want to openly celebrate the death of WORLD enemy #1, they're welcome to. It's worth noting we're still trying Nazis (Demjanjuk) for crimes that occurred nearly 70 years ago.

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But am I happy that 4 people just got killed? No. Am I happy that this could encourage conflict? No.

Just a guess. I could be wrong. I'd bet that, if you happened to be a prisoner in a Taliban camp, where they'd beaten, raped, and tortured you for weeks and planned to hang you soon publicly from a sign post at the entrance of town for all (especially their women) to see, you might be overjoyed for a Spec Ops team to bust in at night and shoot each one of your captors in the forehead and get you to safety. Would you still be very upset over the attrocity of killing those who did so much harm to you? Or would you have an overwhelming sense of joy to still be alive? Again...I could be wrong. Reality just seems to change opinions sometimes.

Relief and joy are two very different things.

And to those who accuse me of villifying the US, all my posts are there for you to re-read - I have done no such thing. Is the US/the West perfectly innocent, though? HELL NO. To say that is just as ridiculous as saying the Middle East is entirely to blame.

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Uh, the obvious difference is that one group celebrated the killing of civilians, and the other group celebrated the death of the person responsible for these 3000 civilian deaths.

If they were celebrating the death of our previous president because they believe he caused them nothing but anguish, I can't fault them for it. But it's just not the same cheering for killing people who just wanted to fly from Boston to San Francisco.

If you people can't see the difference, then perhaps you need to own up to some serious bias problems (this is directed in particular at some English posters, not Wendy).

Running out of your house in the middle of the night to cheer anyones death is sick. What, do you think this is some kind of football game? If you can't see that then I feel sorry for, uh, some English posters.

Wasn't the middle of the night here. It was a tad annoying as it disrupted all TV programming during prime time.

Still doesn't change the fact that 9/11 and this killing have nothing in common, other than the stiff in the latter caused the former.

If people want to openly celebrate the death of WORLD enemy #1, they're welcome to. It's worth noting we're still trying Nazis (Demjanjuk) for crimes that occurred nearly 70 years ago.

The news broke approx 10pm eastern time. not exactly the mid of night but it went on until 1 or 2am...which is silly.

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